OP I completely agree with you.

I think X-Wing is a fun game.

Obviously you aren't playing it right. No fun for you! Palp Defenders and Dengaroo I say, if you play anything else you aren't going to win! And winning is the only fun! So stop having fun the wrong way!

Honestly, what's wrong with kids these days...

People rarely change their minds after years of informed real life debate so I don't know why people expect topics on the internet to do the job.

I think X-Wing is a fun game.

HOW DARES YOU TO BE NOT AS COOL AS THE SEXY ACE WINGERS!!!

I'm completely disgusted with the fact that my wife isn't near as enthusiastic about x-Wing as I am, she begrudgingly plays it with me every one in a while, wonders why I buy so many "little toys", and would probably shoot me if I went weekly to the local x-wing night or signed up for the local tourneys.

I think there's a complaint worth recognizing. Can I get a witness?

I'm completely disgusted with the fact that my wife isn't near as enthusiastic about x-Wing as I am, she begrudgingly plays it with me every one in a while, wonders why I buy so many "little toys", and would probably shoot me if I went weekly to the local x-wing night or signed up for the local tourneys.

I think there's a complaint worth recognizing. Can I get a witness?

Sounds like you should have got a prenup to guarantee game night with exceptions for tourneys! Write up a contract now and get your lawyer on it because lawyers make everything better.

What's wrong with us?

my wife isn't near as enthusiastic about x-Wing as I am

Try a co-op game, like one of the missions from HotAC.

This is a competitive game involving dice. As such, the primary factor n determining a winner is skill, with a marginal amount of luck involved. However, there are plenty of cards out now than mean that a player with 10 games under their belt using an internet list (specifically Palp defenders or Dengaroo) and regularly defeat a more experienced player with a casual or semi-competitve list.

Isn't it fun when my TIE swarm catches Ryad at range 1, then does a total of 1 damage to a 6 health defender, in return for two dead TIEs. Maybe if I had a crack shot swarm I could do 3 damage! That's the kind of nonsense that makes the flavour of STAR WARS x-wing miniatures game run dry.

As a game, my single complaint is that I like winning, and I can't do that with three quarters of my $500 hobby. Other than that, I'm happy to slaughter internet lists with my obscure combos. As a Star Wars fan, my complaint is that my wonderful T-65 x-wings don't see play.

You made me think of this

I agree and disagree with the original poster. I currently like where the meta is, and see it as fairly well balanced. Look at worlds and how many crazy lists made the top 8. I personally think X-Wing is in a good place right now. I think list crafting is half the fun, and the more options the better.

That being said. I personally love making custom cards and coming up with 'fix' ideas. I will admit, this is me. No game is good enough for me not to want to make my own customizations to it.

I also think complaining keeps the board moving, if your name does not start with a "P" and end with a "aragoombaslayer"

Well considering that people think, and there for form opinions, and with those opinions they might find situations they don't agree with, and with those situations they dont agree with might feel the need to voice them to see if they are the only like minded person in the world dealing with the situation, things like this will happen. But maybe it took your inspiring topic to make us all stop typing and thinking about anything and go about life in an even more robotic fashion then our work a day existences already provide.

For me, it's all about the spin. Critiquing the game is fine, productive, and fun. It's when there is this explicit or implied tone of "FFG F*ed up and I know what they did wrong and how to fix it" in a thread that I have to think: (a) then find a new game to play, or (b) if you're so savvy, why don't you have an amazing game on the market with your name on it.

For me, it's all about the spin. Critiquing the game is fine, productive, and fun. It's when there is this explicit or implied tone of "FFG F*ed up and I know what they did wrong and how to fix it" in a thread that I have to think: (a) then find a new game to play, or (b) if you're so savvy, why don't you have an amazing game on the market with your name on it.

Because quite frankly IP control is done BY the rich, FOR the rich, and its very hard for someone with good ideas to get into the industry without ANY money behind it, even if they have better ideas . Ive seen TON of great ideas on here, but because the mouse owns SW, we are lost without those ideas.

There's even complaint threads about complaints.

#complaintception

Because quite frankly IP control is done BY the rich, FOR the rich, and its very hard for someone with good ideas to get into the industry without ANY money behind it, even if they have better ideas .

You're mistaking money for influence. They're not the same thing, though often related.

Ive seen TON of great ideas on here, but because the mouse owns SW, we are lost without those ideas.

I've seen some great ideas, some mediocre ideas. and some horrible ideas. For every one of them, I've seen people cheering for the idea and other people flaming it. Also, I'm sure that my understanding of the game and its balance are far below those people who spend all day, every day, professionally evaluating the balance of the game and working on developing it further. And the same is true for almost everybody else here on the forums.

The parallel I see from my job as a computer scientist and programmer: The more convinced a customer is that his idea is the best idea ever, the higher the probability that the idea would break everything in a program, and make it a complete mess all over, with tons of side effects the customer never stopped to think about. I think it'll be rather similar in other fields of expertise, including game design.

And finally, there's external factors like intellectual property (both of the mouse's license and the forum troll's ideas), sellability, how well it matches the vision for the product, and a variety of other constraints we don't know anything about at work as well, none of which us forum dwellers have to consider.

And finally, there's external factors like intellectual property (both of the mouse's license and the forum troll's ideas), sellability, how well it matches the vision for the product, and a variety of other constraints we don't know anything about at work as well, none of which us forum dwellers have to consider.

This. In the end FFG is a business, so their primary goal is making money.They could probably invest more money into making a better X-wing, but how much better would a better X-wing sell? Probably FFG thinks not enough to justify the investment.

FFG are great at making money from games. They're not very good at making money from great games.

I've found myself less full of complaints once I turned Casual. I was a bit bitter at times before that.

Still...complaining is something everyone does. You will never escape it. I can still complain that Mission Control should be fixed.

I get what you are saying, though. There have been periods where there are people complaining about things quite a bit. Things tend to calm down a bit when News comes out, but overall, yes. There have been some complaints.

Personally, I'd love to see some sort of official shift towards supporting non-tournament games. It wouldn't have to be much, really, but it would be fun.

The casual and competitive crowds would both be cooled off a bit by a campaign box with some new ships..

I think we need to Russian Doll the hell out of this. Someone make a complaint thread about complaint threads about complaint threads and lets see how far down the rabbit hole we can get before boredom really sets in and we go play spaceships...

Beeing a little bit lazy right now i haven't read the whole thread but isn't complaining normal for a miniature game (or humanity?)? I have seen this behaviour for all the miniature games I play, it just seems normal to me, heck i have even read complaints about GW releases beeing broken with just some rule snipets without point costs or things like that, i would say that i just the way the internet/the players/mankind is.

And just because some people complain because the lose or can't play very good it doesn't mean that all complaints are just to be dissmised.

There are two kinds of games: those that people complain about and those that no one plays.

The casual and competitive crowds would both be cooled off a bit by a campaign box with some new ships..

with new OT ship pilots and upgrades

LEARN FROM ARMADA, FFG

Though we could also fit in more Us and Strikers too

I've found myself less full of complaints once I turned Casual. I was a bit bitter at times before that.

Still...complaining is something everyone does. You will never escape it. I can still complain that Mission Control should be fixed.

I get what you are saying, though. There have been periods where there are people complaining about things quite a bit. Things tend to calm down a bit when News comes out, but overall, yes. There have been some complaints.

Personally, I'd love to see some sort of official shift towards supporting non-tournament games. It wouldn't have to be much, really, but it would be fun.

YUP!!!

The very few people that I allow to come to my home are awesome and we play great games. Most of the time I run super cool solo games which I can do at dam near demie god mode since I have GM'ed RPG games for many years.

I refuse to have my fun spoiled by a dirty ape that I just met last week... NAH!