I for one want the Battlestar Galactica (or the Star Wars equivalent) in Armada. Speed 2. 1 black die armament on all sides. No shields. ...and about 4 black dice anti-squad.

lower anti squad, but a ridiculous squadron value, like 6 or something

They're not canon now, but who know what could happen in the next season of Rebels...

(Answer: Not this. We all know at least that much.)

I dunno man, we got saber copters out of Rebels. They're not averse to doing stupid stuff.

I for one want the Battlestar Galactica (or the Star Wars equivalent) in Armada. Speed 2. 1 black die armament on all sides. No shields. ...and about 4 black dice anti-squad.

I think the Galactica or Pegasus had some pretty mean nose cannons. It'd be a very narrow front arc, but it'd be like 4 red, 4 blue, 4 black. I think I remember it pretty much one-shotting a base-star at some point.

And it'd have like 10 hull or more, anti squadron would be like a bazillion black dice (remember that cloud of AA fire it could throw up?) and a squadron value of at least 6. And a rule that it could fire anti-squadron fire from all arcs every turn. But it's flanks and rear would have like, one black dice for anti-ship and it would have no shields.

Vong?

What's a vong?

Sounds like something that doesn't belong in SW.

Move long

I actually liked the YV, and thematically they're the best candidate in the Legends EU for a third faction. The problem is, they've never had any screen time, and only pretty fringe comic book appearances at all as far as I'm aware (could be wrong here, not really into comics), so their visual aesthetic is pretty far removed from the Star Wars that anybody knows. Nobody sees a YV ship and associates it with X-wings and Star Destroyers.

I'm pretty sure we'll never see this become a thing, but I personally would love it.

Ahhh....a young'un. Youngling, I think you're called?

Indeed, you've missed the LONG dark period, when the only new material WAS the EU. We did get the Thrawn novels out of that era, YES!

Also...the Ssi-Ruu:

...or the Hapans?

I'll not even go into the Corporate Sector Authority (which is, deliciously, creeping back into canon...)...

(But, then, kids these days...not getting 100% of their new Star Wars details through hand-drawn RPG supplements... No wonder they are so spoiled! )

I hate them more than I can adequately put in words. Such a stupid, ham-fisted, unoriginal, half-baked answer to the Jedi.

"Hey, let's take the Tyranids and cross-breed them with Cenobites and make them nearly untouchable to the Force, you know, the thing central to our setting."

F*ck that noise.

I hate them more than I can adequately put in words. Such a stupid, ham-fisted, unoriginal, half-baked answer to the Jedi.

"Hey, let's take the Tyranids and cross-breed them with Cenobites and make them nearly untouchable to the Force, you know, the thing central to our setting."

F*ck that noise.

That was...pretty much spot on.

I doubt anyone would know, but this reminds me of the Andromedans from the Starfleet Battles setting. Extra-galactic invaders with an entirely different rulesset to the norm to be different. And powerful (for instance instead of shields, they had pannels that absorbed attack damage into extra energy to fire back at opponents). Another recent example is the Borg from Attack Wing and how much their rules were so much different and strnager from the rest of the faction powers.

Or another, how Turrets were so much different from everything in X-Wing.

All of these mechanics were so warping and unpleasant to the community to differing degrees. I left Attack Wing because of the Borg. I think SFB bans the Andromedans in many matches. Turrets were a huge turn-off for some of my friends during my X-Wing days, it never fully reversed to favor standard fighters again so they left.

Introducing the Vong for example with an entirely strange and distinct rules set would not do well for the game. Scum in X-Wing can get away from it because for the most part they still play by the rules of X-Wing but have their own upgrade category cards to themsleves. They break the rules in small ways, but still follow the upgrade card conventions.

Putting aside my personal feelings of how disgusting the Vong are, thematically and aesthetically, their character is such that they need a fresh new rules set. And in my experience, based on other games, it's not going to do any good for the game once they've arrived and can't be kicked out. You'll have Vong fans, no matter how small, whom you can't slight after they've been introduced into the engine.

So I'd rather not open that door. I would welcome a pirate faction of scum sooner than bringing Vong into the game.

I hate them more than I can adequately put in words. Such a stupid, ham-fisted, unoriginal, half-baked answer to the Jedi.

"Hey, let's take the Tyranids and cross-breed them with Cenobites and make them nearly untouchable to the Force, you know, the thing central to our setting."

F*ck that noise.

I like Cenobites

But yea the Vong were crazy ass bad.

I would love a Hapan Battle Dragon... they've been my favorite non-triangle ship for a whiiiile

If there is one thing I love about the EU being nuked by Mickey Mouse is that the Vong are gone. Jesus it was dumb. Also lets be real the old EU had some really cool stuff but most of it was a steaming garbage of contradiction and subpar writing.

100%. I mean the Sun Crusher? really? Every man and his dog becoming a Jedi. Clones of every bad guy you can imagine. Lukes good, lukes bad, lukes good again. Oh wait, he's bad again. Now Lukes great grandnewphew or whatever is bad. Also he's a space pirate. Soontir Fel's kid is now the Emperor too. Jesus.

But then we did get some gold, the X-Wing series was pretty good for it's time. The Imperial Knights were well thought out I think. and Thrawn. The Han Solo trilogy was good I recall aswell, but I read that when I was 14.

I stopped readin EU around the Jedi Academy series because I thought Kevin J Anderson was a poor writer, and then I never came back to it. So, I have a vague idea who the Vong were, but why so hated?

I'm just being lazy here and don't want to read shite books just to find out.

If there is one thing I love about the EU being nuked by Mickey Mouse is that the Vong are gone. Jesus it was dumb. Also lets be real the old EU had some really cool stuff but most of it was a steaming garbage of contradiction and subpar writing.

100%. I mean the Sun Crusher? really? Every man and his dog becoming a Jedi. Clones of every bad guy you can imagine. Lukes good, lukes bad, lukes good again. Oh wait, he's bad again. Now Lukes great grandnewphew or whatever is bad. Also he's a space pirate. Soontir Fel's kid is now the Emperor too. Jesus.

But then we did get some gold, the X-Wing series was pretty good for it's time. The Imperial Knights were well thought out I think. and Thrawn. The Han Solo trilogy was good I recall aswell, but I read that when I was 14.

Yeah, but Disney is responsible for the planet-sized Death Star III, with it's sun-eating bifurcating laser beam that can shoot across the galaxy. Sounds like a superweapon from a bad EU story, back when everyone was topping the last author.

Agreed. I like The Force Awakens. But they could have tried for a little bit of originality. Would have lifted it from good to amazing.

I stopped readin EU around the Jedi Academy series because I thought Kevin J Anderson was a poor writer, and then I never came back to it. So, I have a vague idea who the Vong were, but why so hated?

I'm just being lazy here and don't want to read shite books just to find out.

The vong are hated for a number of reasons. The first being the biotechnology ****, second being great at all forms of combat, three for the first half of the New Jedi Order the New Republic ignores the problem until they can't ignore it, and four the final defeat was stupid.

My main issue was that, hey, we finally have Jedi again. So let's make this about Jedi being well and truly screwed. That was so dull.

I doubt anyone would know, but this reminds me of the Andromedans from the Starfleet Battles setting. Extra-galactic invaders with an entirely different rulesset to the norm to be different. And powerful (for instance instead of shields, they had pannels that absorbed attack damage into extra energy to fire back at opponents).

Next to Romulans, The Andromedans were my favorite faction, but boy oh boy were they waaay overpowered before they introduced leaky Power Absorption panels. My friend and I would play ~2,500 point battles and a fleet of non-leaky PA panel Andromedans were brutal, and my friend hated me for playing them.

Yes, good analogy.

I LOVE the Thrawn novels and I stopped there.

I actually liked the YV, and thematically they're the best candidate in the Legends EU for a third faction. The problem is, they've never had any screen time, and only pretty fringe comic book appearances at all as far as I'm aware (could be wrong here, not really into comics), so their visual aesthetic is pretty far removed from the Star Wars that anybody knows. Nobody sees a YV ship and associates it with X-wings and Star Destroyers.

I'm pretty sure we'll never see this become a thing, but I personally would love it.

Ahhh....a young'un. Youngling, I think you're called?

Indeed, you've missed the LONG dark period, when the only new material WAS the EU. We did get the Thrawn novels out of that era, YES!

Also...the Ssi-Ruu:

...or the Hapans?

I'll not even go into the Corporate Sector Authority (which is, deliciously, creeping back into canon...)...

(But, then, kids these days...not getting 100% of their new Star Wars details through hand-drawn RPG supplements... No wonder they are so spoiled! )

Wat.

I'm not sure where you're trying to go with the whole get-off-my-lawn thing--or where you get the idea that I wasn't around before Disney bought the IP four years ago--so I'll just set that **** aside...

I didn't say the YV are the only third-faction candidate, which seems to be the notion that you're rebutting. I said they're the best.

The Ssi-Ruuk fleet shows up, what, once? It's been a looooong time since I read the Corellian Trilogy, but I'm pretty sure the fleet prominently features, like... virtually not at all.

I would LOVE to see a Hapan Battle Dragon in this game. But think about it: what other ship could they possibly dig up to build a whole faction out of them, let alone one as diverse and robust as the two we've already got? If we get one, it will probably be a Rebel ship... But I'm not counting on it.

The CSA is the only one of your suggestions that could work, but it too isn't prominently featured in a lot of visual media.

The YV fleet, on the other hand, is extensively detailed, has numerous references and sources to draw from, and has some pretty unique features like their gravity manipulation that would lend themselves well to theming and differentiating a third faction. They are also at least as visually unique from both Rebs and Imps as they are from each other.

Like I said, not going to happen, and it certainly has problems of its own, but I would personally like to see a YV faction if we had to have a third faction at all. Which, again, personally hope we don't.

I just couldn't get into the NJO novels. Also, I think people are misremembering the Thrawn novels. Thrawn himself was cool, but the books themselves were not that great. They may have been the best of the EU books, but that really isn't saying a lot. I actually felt that the EU was at its most fun when exploring characters outside the core protagonists from the original trilogy. The X-Wing books were pulpy, but fun, and I, Jedi is also a fun read. Granted, Corran Horn is a bigger Mary Sue than Rey, but they were still fun.

But on the original topic, ugh to the Vong. If there's anything close to a "third faction," I think I would rather see a motley collection of all kinds of ships, and make them work like mercenaries in Warmachine. That let's you get some ships you wouldn't likely ever see in Armada because they come from groups or cultures that can't exactly put together true fleets.

The thrawn trilogy did have flaws but most of theurope criticism comes from the 200 dreadnought fleet making a difference ignoring the huge increase in planets and physical scale.

Man the list of things Star Wars fans hate just grows and grow and grows.

I loved the idea of the Vong. What I hated was that they made that part of the Empire's underlying motivation.

However there is only one cool aspect about that. It gave Palpatine a unique motive rather then the bland generc bad guy one of rhe current canon.

I'm not sure where you're trying to go with the whole get-off-my-lawn thing--or where you get the idea that I wasn't around before Disney bought the IP four years ago--so I'll just set that **** aside...

Well, the point I was making was really to preemptively rebut...

The Ssi-Ruuk fleet shows up, what, once? It's been a looooong time since I read the Corellian Trilogy, but I'm pretty sure the fleet prominently features, like... virtually not at all.

I would LOVE to see a Hapan Battle Dragon in this game. But think about it: what other ship could they possibly dig up to build a whole faction out of them, let alone one as diverse and robust as the two we've already got? If we get one, it will probably be a Rebel ship... But I'm not counting on it.

The CSA is the only one of your suggestions that could work, but it too isn't prominently featured in a lot of visual media.

As, after all, all three of these fleets received plenty of material from West End Games' RPG sourcebooks...

...so they did all end up with multiple ships.

I hate them more than I can adequately put in words. Such a stupid, ham-fisted, unoriginal, half-baked answer to the Jedi.

"Hey, let's take the Tyranids and cross-breed them with Cenobites and make them nearly untouchable to the Force, you know, the thing central to our setting."

F*ck that noise.

I like Cenobites

But yea the Vong were crazy ass bad.

Oh, as a horror antagonist the Cenobites are brilliant. Clive Barker had some moments of inspiration.

Just keep them out of my Star Wars. I mean, if you need that, I'm sure there's been Sith Lords throughout galactic history with a deep and abiding interest in pain.

I would love a Hapan Battle Dragon... they've been my favorite non-triangle ship for a whiiiile

Ed: You see a well-groomed garden. In the middle, on a small hill, you see a gazebo.

Eric: A gazebo? What color is it?

Ed: (Pause) It's white, Eric.

Eric: How far away is it?

Ed: About 50 yards.

Eric: How big is it?

Ed: (Pause) It's about 30 feet across, 15 feet high, with a pointed top.

Eric: (rolls dice) I use my sword to detect whether it's good.

Ed: It's not good, Eric. It's a gazebo!

Eric: (Unusually long pause, even for Eric) I call out to it.

Ed: It won't answer. It's a gazebo!

Eric: (Pause) I sheathe my sword and draw my bow and arrows. Does it respond in any way?

Ed: No, Eric. It's a gazebo!

Eric: I shoot it with my bow (rolls to hit). What happened?

Ed: There is now a gazebo with an arrow sticking out of it.

Eric: (Pause) Wasn't it wounded?

Ed: Of course not, Eric! It's a gazebo!

Eric: (Whimper) But that was a plus-three arrow!

Ed: It's a gazebo, Eric, a gazebo! If you really want to try to destroy it, you could try to chop it with an axe, I suppose, or you could try to burn it, but I don't know why anybody would even try. It's a @#%!$*& gazebo!

*(author's note: Ed was in the army, and no, he did not say @#%!$*&. The letter count has not been changed for the linguistically curious. Clue: it was a gerund.)*

Eric: (Long pause - he has no axe or fire spells) I run away.

Ed: (Thoroughly frustrated) It's too late. You've awakened the gazebo, and it catches you and eats you.

Eric: (Reaching for his dice) Maybe I'll roll up a fire-using mage so I can avenge my paladin...

If there is one thing I love about the EU being nuked by Mickey Mouse is that the Vong are gone. Jesus it was dumb. Also lets be real the old EU had some really cool stuff but most of it was a steaming garbage of contradiction and subpar writing.

100%. I mean the Sun Crusher? really? Every man and his dog becoming a Jedi. Clones of every bad guy you can imagine. Lukes good, lukes bad, lukes good again. Oh wait, he's bad again. Now Lukes great grandnewphew or whatever is bad. Also he's a space pirate. Soontir Fel's kid is now the Emperor too. Jesus.

But then we did get some gold, the X-Wing series was pretty good for it's time. The Imperial Knights were well thought out I think. and Thrawn. The Han Solo trilogy was good I recall aswell, but I read that when I was 14.

Yeah, but Disney is responsible for the planet-sized Death Star III, with it's sun-eating bifurcating laser beam that can shoot across the galaxy. Sounds like a superweapon from a bad EU story, back when everyone was topping the last author.

Agreed. I like The Force Awakens. But they could have tried for a little bit of originality. Would have lifted it from good to amazing.

Always thought they should have done a nod to the EU and had Starkiller Base be "The Starkiller" a Super Star Destroyer with a superlaser like the Eclipse. The final setpiece could have been exactly the same, with the characters infiltrating the SSD while a space battle happened outside, rather than a snowy forest that should have been blasted away when the laser fired.

They're not canon now, but who know what could happen in the next season of Rebels...

(Answer: Not this. We all know at least that much.)

I dunno man, we got saber copters out of Rebels. They're not averse to doing stupid stuff.

In defense of Rebels (whichi is awesome), although we do get saber copters and laser slingshots I am willing to forgive it