If that's what you took from it, I dunno what to tell you considering my opinion about opinions is that everyone is entitled to them but if you come into a thread with an opposing view with the "argument" that "our" (for linguistic reasons, not personal belief of me about this thread one way or another) view is wrong because "we're" (again, just diferentiating) are wrong because we're noobs, or because we don't understand flotillas, or we're bad is not an opinion. It's at best an instigation and at worse a minor form of verbal assault.

THAT is what my entire side of this "discussion" has been and if you simply go back to the front end of this 9 pages of stupidity and look at these instigators initial posts here, you might just find that I'm right...

Unless you can't be objective, in which case you'll just end up back here with another attempt to turn my position into "why flotillas are bad." again....it's not even about that....it hasn't been about flotillas since the second or third page.

It's not a matter of what I took from it, it's in the quote of your own words. You are telling people what is OK and what isn't, which is your opinion. Yet, when someone else's opinion is challenged, you are attacking. And as I quoted in the beginning of that post, you are in fact the first one to have gotten hostile in this thread. If you can't see that, perhaps you are the one who is incapable of being objective.

My last post never once spoke to your opinion about flotillas, and I'm still not right now, so how about you not throw that at me in an attempt to put me off as not able to be objective. Rather than attacking my objectivity, read my post for what I said. You began the mud slinging. And you've been trying to carry the high ground, while simultaneously using offensive language this whole time (again... fascist, elitist, etc.). You are pushing your definition of what is OK in the forums on others, while attacking them for challenging other's opinions. You are telling people to simply not join the conversation unless they have something that you determine is worthy of contributing, or a way of contributing it that you find acceptable. I must have missed the part where your opinion of right and wrong, and your opinion of how the forums should be used was somehow the only opinion that matters here. If you don't like the way people talk to one another on here, then you are in fact free to not read the thread, nor contribute to it. Standing on a soapbox while hurling insults is about the best way possible to plant a gigantic target on your own forehead.

I still don't understand why people spend more time talking about changing rules to fit their game style instead of talking about how to change their game play to fit the rules? (1) I have seen this discussion in several threads this month and the samething has been said over and over. (2)Why did this thread get started in the first place? Because the responses in the prior threads didn't match to what you wanted?(3)

Now I have tried to be reasonable in all my responses and I think I have made some good points. (Not saying I'm the smartest player by any means but I think my points were well founded and supported.) But why should I have to state everything I have already said all over again? Are you just trying to wear out the community into agreeing with you?(4)

So for the final time the Flotillas are not that big of a change and if you wanted to deal with them it's not hard to design a list that can defeat them easily. But it sounds like you have a local Meta problem and you are unwilling to change your play style to the issue. (5)That's your problem to solve and a good player should love that challenge. (6)Step up your game before asking the developers to change the rules, especially since there is not even close to a consensus that the Flotillas are too strong, and just labeling people "pro-Flotillas" doesn't make your point more valid either. That's a political pundit strategy to win an argument but here we should use logical discussions instead of trying to bully people.(7)

So, have you tried hunting down Flotillas with Rogue Squadrons or other tools like them? Have you used Flotillas yourself as a counter to their's for activation advantage? Which Commanders are they bringing that's makes it so hard for you to win that you Have to take them out to win a game? You also realize you do not have to kill every ship to win so if they are splitting their fleet by sending their flag ship into a corner to hide that is about 50 points of their fleet out of the battle still so that should give you some advantage because the Flotillas' real points are its hidden cost for its special upgrades it can take.

So again, there is no over all belief that Flotillas are too strong, hell I would never put my Commander on one because I know my local community would find a way to take it out easily if I did as I have found my own ways to deal with it if it became a problem, which it isn't at all. If it were a real issue it would be prevalent in all areas and it would dominate the tournament games, it it doesn't. It would be considered an auto-include but it is not. So because of those reasons I disagree with your assessment and repeated requests to change the rules.

So please stop reposting this same topic over and over with the exact same rules change request because despite what people have been made to believe repeating something over and over does not make it true, you very well may believe it is but there has been enough evidence shown to you to prove otherwise. But you just ignore it. That doesn't help out how we feel towards your points when you ignore us and repeat the samething over and over while saying we're being immature about it.

Bring actual evidence in the tournament scene or even the campaign scene where this is an issue and we can have an actual discussion on what happened and how it could have been done differently. If it is found that the Flotillas are the factor that led to the win over and over than we can discuss how it is a problem. Then we can discuss what to do about it. That's five steps and you want to skip the first four and go straight to the fifth because we are supposed to believe you have the authority to say you already figured it out on your own? Does that make sense?

So start with actual proof and not anecdotal stories either.

I'm just going to stop highlighting there because it's ample material. This was your first post on this thread. So here we go...

1) Is it not healthy for the game to discuss rules? Do you pitch this same fit when people are floating ideas on how other rules could/should/or do work?

2) I imagine the same thing has been said over and over, by the same insulting, demeaning, rude crew of people we've seen perform today.

3) This thread got started because the same thing always happens. People are in the middle of discussing flotillas, how their rules work, what would be interesting to change and then the same group of delinquents enter the thread and completely derail the conversation by being aggressive towards everyone who doesn't agree with you. It's also not your forum and if you don't like the content of a thread, don't click on it. It's not like the title was written in code. You are not an annointed rules enforcer. As stated previously, it's not like FFG is going to read this thread and globally change flotillas.

4) All of your responses....on other threads since this response was your first one here....on threads full of this same aggression towards anyone who dares question or discuss flotillas...maybe not everyone has time or will power to troll these forums all day and carry on multiple conversations across multiple threads and sub-forums all day long. Another comment made by you from purely your own perspective with 0 consideration for anyone else, their perspective, or anything not associated directly, exclusively, to you. Then there'e that snarky snippet on the end but I won't even go into that other than to repeat it's being repeated because there is no closure because you and your ilk aggressively break up the discussion because you don't agree. If you'd let it just burn itself out, you'd atleast have a thread to link to if you're that concerned with policing flotilla debates ffs. You. You are the one that says you have to get on these threads and preach. No one else is making you. It's your choice to involve yourself in the most confrontational way you can devise.

5) So for the final time (because you say so? self righteous, much?), thi sis the way it is because you say this is the way it is and therefore no one is allowed to talk about it because if they do, you'll be there? Explain to me how this is respectful, insightful, and not textbook fascism?

6) I didn't realize you had precise measurements of the community and it's opinion. I didn't see your forum badge of community relations spokesperson extraordinaire. Please pardon us mere mortals, your worshipfulness.

7) You brought politics into this thread long, long before I did. pro is defined as in favor of, anti is against. It's not political, it's not pundant anything. It's literally designations to differentiate opposing views of the same discussion. If you're so consumed by identity politics that you went straight there, it's time to reevaluate how you define your self worth.

You're not a forums police office, enforcer, lawyer, or (by this measurement) contributor. For all intensive purposes, you're an arrogant, self righteous jerk off on the internet and a dime a dozen. At least bring me some original content and not just the same old "I'm best-est-er because I say so, fall in front of me and accept my wisdom" routine. It's droll, at best.

That's like a Troll, except amusing in an odd way...nothing more.

I'd go through the rest of your self serving paragraph you entered this discussion with but I'd rather not.

If that's what you took from it, I dunno what to tell you considering my opinion about opinions is that everyone is entitled to them but if you come into a thread with an opposing view with the "argument" that "our" (for linguistic reasons, not personal belief of me about this thread one way or another) view is wrong because "we're" (again, just diferentiating) are wrong because we're noobs, or because we don't understand flotillas, or we're bad is not an opinion. It's at best an instigation and at worse a minor form of verbal assault.

THAT is what my entire side of this "discussion" has been and if you simply go back to the front end of this 9 pages of stupidity and look at these instigators initial posts here, you might just find that I'm right...

Unless you can't be objective, in which case you'll just end up back here with another attempt to turn my position into "why flotillas are bad." again....it's not even about that....it hasn't been about flotillas since the second or third page.

It's not a matter of what I took from it, it's in the quote of your own words. You are telling people what is OK and what isn't, which is your opinion. Yet, when someone else's opinion is challenged, you are attacking. And as I quoted in the beginning of that post, you are in fact the first one to have gotten hostile in this thread. If you can't see that, perhaps you are the one who is incapable of being objective.

My last post never once spoke to your opinion about flotillas, and I'm still not right now, so how about you not throw that at me in an attempt to put me off as not able to be objective. Rather than attacking my objectivity, read my post for what I said. You began the mud slinging. And you've been trying to carry the high ground, while simultaneously using offensive language this whole time (again... fascist, elitist, etc.). You are pushing your definition of what is OK in the forums on others, while attacking them for challenging other's opinions. You are telling people to simply not join the conversation unless they have something that you determine is worthy of contributing, or a way of contributing it that you find acceptable. I must have missed the part where your opinion of right and wrong, and your opinion of how the forums should be used was somehow the only opinion that matters here. If you don't like the way people talk to one another on here, then you are in fact free to not read the thread, nor contribute to it. Standing on a soapbox while hurling insults is about the best way possible to plant a gigantic target on your own forehead.

Again...no. I. Am. Not. I'm saying have an opinion, but don't present your opinion in such a fashion that it intentionally portrays you as right by default through insults, etc. I seriously hope you're just desperate enough for attention to be trolling right now and not legitimately confused on meaning here.

Again...no. I. Am. Not. I'm saying have an opinion, but don't present your opinion in such a fashion that it intentionally portrays you as right by default through insults, etc. I seriously hope you're just desperate enough for attention to be trolling right now and not legitimately confused on meaning here.

So you're saying have an opinion, but only present it in a manner that you find acceptable. Got it.

Oh and look, a thinly veiled insult. I thought it was only the elitists on here that did that.

My point is made. You can choose to continue to play the wounded, righteous defender of the forums, while continuing to hurl insults in every post, if you choose. We will obviously have to agree to disagree. I have a hockey game to watch, so enjoy your crusade.

I am signing off from this community until the next wave is announced, and I need insight on the new tactics therein.

I know you won't miss me and don't care, but all this egocentric bickering is getting ridiculous and is becoming a waste of my time.

Until then, Adieu.

Again...no. I. Am. Not. I'm saying have an opinion, but don't present your opinion in such a fashion that it intentionally portrays you as right by default through insults, etc. I seriously hope you're just desperate enough for attention to be trolling right now and not legitimately confused on meaning here.

So you're saying have an opinion, but only present it in a manner that you find acceptable. Got it.

Oh and look, a thinly veiled insult. I thought it was only the elitists on here that did that.

My point is made. You can choose to continue to play the wounded, righteous defender of the forums, while continuing to hurl insults in every post, if you choose. We will obviously have to agree to disagree. I have a hockey game to watch, so enjoy your crusade.

I expect a level of decency from people that I guess humanity is quickly losing. Asking you to present an opinion without being insulting and demeaning to others is not too much to ask. If you feel like it is, you have more problems than I can solve.

Yes, except not very thinly veiled because I legitimately cannot figure out if you're trolling or too thick to pick up what I've been putting down. This is nearly the 10th page of repeating myself, after all.

I give what I get. If you think I'm insulting in every post, then fine, I guess to the gentle snowflakes of the world, telling people not to be dicks is threatening now. I can only say the same thing so many times before I join them. It's a weakness.

I like flotillas... does that mean I voted for Trump? I haven't quite figured that out yet. Flotilla hating socialist dogs!

I like flotillas... does that mean I voted for Trump? I haven't quite figured that out yet. Flotilla hating socialist dogs!

Dunno yet, come on down and let's wrestle. Takes about a dozen or so replies to formulate a guess.

This is almost like Blade Wing all over again. I can't believe this has happened again in such a short span of time.

I am signing off from this community until the next wave is announced, and I need insight on the new tactics therein.

I know you won't miss me and don't care, but all this egocentric bickering is getting ridiculous and is becoming a waste of my time.

Until then, Adieu.

It is really just a few that will not stop arguing. For the most part the community is actually quite good. See ya Wave 6

I am signing off from this community until the next wave is announced, and I need insight on the new tactics therein.

I know you won't miss me and don't care, but all this egocentric bickering is getting ridiculous and is becoming a waste of my time.

Until then, Adieu.

I do. I care.

I am signing off from this community until the next wave is announced, and I need insight on the new tactics therein.

I know you won't miss me and don't care, but all this egocentric bickering is getting ridiculous and is becoming a waste of my time.

Until then, Adieu.

I do. I care.

As do I. The forum is made strong by everyone who posts here, regardless of how often, or how much. That goes for you too.

Here I go to sleep, only to find myself branded as 'pro-flotilla' and a fascist. For disagreeing with op. That's not bad for a night's sleep.

:-)

Is this dumpster fire still burning?

People can't agree on this one way or the other. Everyone is not going to get behind a change because there are two different opinion. If this is the case rather than fighting the same argument again and again can we trust FFG one way or the other?

My problem is that people who are pro-flotilla have a high frequency of behaving like overly aggressive, over caffeinated, elitist, angst filled teenagers instead of carrying on a debate about it, offering suggestions for possible compromises or counter points.

What cracks me up is when they take the stance of "you can't kill it and don't want to change" without realizing that without being able to defend it beyond "it's legal" it's essentially the same stance from the other perspective. "You can't be effective without it and don't want to change."

It truly is mind boggling.

I reiterate my solution.....Admiral abilities do not apply outside of range 5....just like everything else in the game. At least then the flotilla would be a part of the fleet.

So this was what, your second post in this thread, and reading everything that came before I don't see any personal attacks on you. Or anything you try to attribute to those who enjoy the games as it is.

So you started labelling and calling people names. You.

And then you spent the test of the thread acting hurt!?

I don't like name calling, but I'm naming you a troll anyway.

I've also taken it upon myself to report this thread to the moderators. Hope it gets closed.

TL;DR

I somewhat like the idea of having advantages if the fleet commander is in a ship with a higher command value.

But you would need to completely change the rules on how the commander work.

It would be easier to just permit flotillas to be flag ships.

Better get a 'real' live boat into the game like escaping in a lambda shuttle before the flag ship explodes. It would be more thematic and really cool for CC.

What we really need to do is make cloak available at the beginning of the squadron phase rather than the end of it.

I'd say no to both. I don't see this problem being, well, a problem. If somebody wants to hide their 18 points of ship in a corner... Awesome. That's a better ship that they are NOT taking. That's upgrades that I DON'T have to fight. And they get an activation in return... Okay, I can plan around that. And it's both factions that can do this. Even Steven.

Here I go to sleep, only to find myself branded as 'pro-flotilla' and a fascist. For disagreeing with op. That's not bad for a night's sleep.

Not at all. First, I'm not the OP. Second, those comments were directed at those chosen few who choose to shout down conversations they don't like with insult laden "opinions" and outright rudeness. If this doesn't apply to you, don't apply it to yourself.

People can't agree on this one way or the other. Everyone is not going to get behind a change because there are two different opinion. If this is the case rather than fighting the same argument again and again can we trust FFG one way or the other?

My problem is that people who are pro-flotilla have a high frequency of behaving like overly aggressive, over caffeinated, elitist, angst filled teenagers instead of carrying on a debate about it, offering suggestions for possible compromises or counter points.

What cracks me up is when they take the stance of "you can't kill it and don't want to change" without realizing that without being able to defend it beyond "it's legal" it's essentially the same stance from the other perspective. "You can't be effective without it and don't want to change."

It truly is mind boggling.

I reiterate my solution.....Admiral abilities do not apply outside of range 5....just like everything else in the game. At least then the flotilla would be a part of the fleet.

So this was what, your second post in this thread, and reading everything that came before I don't see any personal attacks on you. Or anything you try to attribute to those who enjoy the games as it is.

So you started labelling and calling people names. You.

And then you spent the test of the thread acting hurt!?

I don't like name calling, but I'm naming you a troll anyway.

I've also taken it upon myself to report this thread to the moderators. Hope it gets closed.

Do you just choose to involve yourself for attention or to "keep this dumpster fire going?" I like how it's aight by you that Beatty reference previous threads on this subject but I can't. The hypocrisy of this forums e-cliche is real.