The fundamental thing I think needs to be understood is that we can all feel different things and simply feeling a different way or having a different opinion is not wrong. If this discussion was prefaced on "how does everyone feel about flotillas?" or "I was thinking of some houserules just for me to use" then it would be quite different. What's contentious is proposing communal action based on how a minority of a group feels. That's when you need more concrete proof and definable terms of what is or isn't acceptable and get buy-in from others. That can be used to sway people to your side, set up a plan to address what seems to be unfair or incorrect, and then at that point if you were successful at selling your point of view you've become a majority and changes are easier to petition for, and if made, are more readily accepted. Asking for compromise when there's no real consensus on what is or is not thematic and what is or is not Star Wars and whether or not there's an actual problem in terms of gameplay, competitiveness, or fairness, is just a bridge too far. And when a majority doesn't seen a cause for action, the status quo remains with no need for compromise.

To use a very silly example, if I rang your doorbell and told you that I felt I deserved to take your house and your car as my own personal property and you told me that you felt that I was entitled to none of those things, I doubt you'd find any wisdom in a retort of "why don't we compromise on just your car because we both feel differently?" Regardless of our opinions, the laws support you and not me, and therefore it's not incumbent on you (the party favored by the laws we're all equally bound by) to compromise to resolve the dispute.

I love that the guy who said "My problem is that people who are pro-flotilla have a high frequency of behaving like overly aggressive, over caffeinated, elitist, angst filled teenagers instead of carrying on a debate about it, offering suggestions for possible compromises or counter points"

Also said "Again, I reiterate that if you're so pro-flotilla that you're willing to immediately assume anyone who talks about them in a way you don't agree with is bad, just don't post. There's no logical reason to act like an elitist on the internet because you don't agree."

C'mon, man. I've got absolutely no dog in the flotilla fight. I don't own any yet, and the only time I've seen one on the table it was a life boat (but I trashed it). I'm pretty neutral about the whole thing. But you don't get to keep insulting people, and then complaining about other people thinking you're "bad," you don't get to call most people who disagree with you petulant children and then go on whining about other people arguing in bad faith. You don't get to claim to see both sides of an argument while you keep banging the drum for one side and demanding a compromise when so many other people see your argument as a solution searching for a problem.

Chill out, buddy. You're not doing yourself, or anyone else, any good acting like this.

The fundamental thing I think needs to be understood is that we can all feel different things and simply feeling a different way or having a different opinion is not wrong. If this discussion was prefaced on "how does everyone feel about flotillas?" or "I was thinking of some houserules just for me to use" then it would be quite different. What's contentious is proposing communal action based on how a minority of a group feels. That's when you need more concrete proof and definable terms of what is or isn't acceptable and get buy-in from others. That can be used to sway people to your side, set up a plan to address what seems to be unfair or incorrect, and then at that point if you were successful at selling your point of view you've become a majority and changes are easier to petition for, and if made, are more readily accepted. Asking for compromise when there's no real consensus on what is or is not thematic and what is or is not Star Wars and whether or not there's an actual problem in terms of gameplay, competitiveness, or fairness, is just a bridge too far. And when a majority doesn't seen a cause for action, the status quo remains with no need for compromise.

To use a very silly example, if I rang your doorbell and told you that I felt I deserved to take your house and your car as my own personal property and you told me that you felt that I was entitled to none of those things, I doubt you'd find any wisdom in a retort of "why don't we compromise on just your car because we both feel differently?" Regardless of our opinions, the laws support you and not me, and therefore it's not incumbent on you (the party favored by the laws we're all equally bound by) to compromise to resolve the dispute.

And my point is that no one said you had to come over to my house in the first place so just beat feet and don't even stop by if it's going to trigger you into demanding all my stuff just because.

Just to be clear you think the forums are your house and if you post your opinion, which has been discussed numerous times as of late, we should just not respond at all? Are you new to the Internet?

I love that the guy who said "My problem is that people who are pro-flotilla have a high frequency of behaving like overly aggressive, over caffeinated, elitist, angst filled teenagers instead of carrying on a debate about it, offering suggestions for possible compromises or counter points"

Also said "Again, I reiterate that if you're so pro-flotilla that you're willing to immediately assume anyone who talks about them in a way you don't agree with is bad, just don't post. There's no logical reason to act like an elitist on the internet because you don't agree."

C'mon, man. I've got absolutely no dog in the flotilla fight. I don't own any yet, and the only time I've seen one on the table it was a life boat (but I trashed it). I'm pretty neutral about the whole thing. But you don't get to keep insulting people, and then complaining about other people thinking you're "bad," you don't get to call most people who disagree with you petulant children and then go on whining about other people arguing in bad faith. You don't get to claim to see both sides of an argument while you keep banging the drum for one side and demanding a compromise when so many other people see your argument as a solution searching for a problem.

Chill out, buddy. You're not doing yourself, or anyone else, any good acting like this.

Have a high frequency ,as in not everyone, as in not "people who don't like flotillas are just bad or haven't figured out how to play against them, or can't xxyz". However, most of the people whose opinions favor flotillas first post here today is outright rude, insulting, full of assumptions, chocked full of strawman arguments or demeaning towards those whose opinions differ. So yea. Most. As in a high frequency.

It's a subtle difference so I highlighted it for you. It means not all, but most...as illustrated by these "opinions" dictated here today.

See that? That was a high frequency of repetition. It wasn't all repetition but it did have a high frequency of repetition, as in most of it was repetition.

"Again, I reiterate that if you're so pro-flotilla that you're willing to immediately assume anyone who talks about them in a way you don't agree with is bad, just don't post. There's no logical reason to act like an elitist on the internet because you don't agree."

Again, subtle difference so I, again, highlighted for you what separates it from just flat out prefacing ones "opinion" with reasons why people who disagree are wrong (bad, cant work their fleet, can't play against flotillas, etc).

The most moronic thing about today is ...

...I just like the

DISCUSSION.

Yeah, you seem to really be enjoying yourself, and also contributing in a positive manner to the community.

Seriously, buddy. Decaf, maybe? Take a break from the forum? Give yourself a chance to calm down?

What's contentious is proposing communal action based on how a minority of a group feels.

I think the REAL problem is that people interpret something like OPs post, which is purely a thought experiment, as a literal attempt to change the rules.

It's not. No one is trying to change the rules or tell others how to play. They are totally physically unable to do that.

It's NOTHING like knocking on someone's door and trying to take their house, because that implies at least a modicum of physical ability. You're right there, at their house, and can actually force them out of it if you want.

This? This is just a discussion on the internet. There's absolutely ZERO reason to get defensive about any proposed rule changes because they AREN'T proposed rules changes. The FFG rules committee isn't here reading this thread and taking notes, this isn't a democracy where the players can vote on rules changes, it's PURELY a thought exercise.

And the appropriate response to a thought exercise like this is: "I don't think anything needs to change, I like the flotilla rules as they are".

It is NOT appropriate to respond with "You're not allowed to have thoughts like this, stop it!" or "You need evidence!"

It's just a discussion. People are allowed to have... impressions, feelings, thoughts etc without needing hard evidence. It's just about opinions.

If someone doesn't like the way flotillas work, then that's ok . And if they want to talk about how the rules might be changed, that's ok too .

What's NOT ok is coming in here and telling people to stop talking like this, because they like the current flotilla rules. If you like them, then bully for you. This thread isn't for you, and it obviously upsets you, so just skip over it and stop replying. I know we've all got this burning urge to be right and to get the last word in, but this isn't a factual argument that can be won by one side or the other, it's just a debate about preferences and opinions and no one is going to 'win' this one so if you DON'T want to talk about changing the Flotilla rules because you like them, then just keep walking bub.

The fundamental thing I think needs to be understood is that we can all feel different things and simply feeling a different way or having a different opinion is not wrong. If this discussion was prefaced on "how does everyone feel about flotillas?" or "I was thinking of some houserules just for me to use" then it would be quite different. What's contentious is proposing communal action based on how a minority of a group feels. That's when you need more concrete proof and definable terms of what is or isn't acceptable and get buy-in from others. That can be used to sway people to your side, set up a plan to address what seems to be unfair or incorrect, and then at that point if you were successful at selling your point of view you've become a majority and changes are easier to petition for, and if made, are more readily accepted. Asking for compromise when there's no real consensus on what is or is not thematic and what is or is not Star Wars and whether or not there's an actual problem in terms of gameplay, competitiveness, or fairness, is just a bridge too far. And when a majority doesn't seen a cause for action, the status quo remains with no need for compromise.

To use a very silly example, if I rang your doorbell and told you that I felt I deserved to take your house and your car as my own personal property and you told me that you felt that I was entitled to none of those things, I doubt you'd find any wisdom in a retort of "why don't we compromise on just your car because we both feel differently?" Regardless of our opinions, the laws support you and not me, and therefore it's not incumbent on you (the party favored by the laws we're all equally bound by) to compromise to resolve the dispute.

And my point is that no one said you had to come over to my house in the first place so just beat feet and don't even stop by if it's going to trigger you into demanding all my stuff just because.

I don't understand why you seem to use the "triggering" language so much, on a side note. It reads very awkwardly.

In a purely opinion thread, one can simply just kind of shrug out and say "well I don't particularly care to share my opinion, it doesn't really matter." In an "I'd like to make these changes to the game we all play" kind of thread, I think it's absolutely fine to say "hey I don't really want my game changed in those ways and the only way I could be convinced otherwise is with some evidence to the contrary." I don't understand why a thread about making changes should only be welcome to those who want to make those changes.

To repeat what I've said before, if this was simply a house rules thread, it wouldn't be provoking this much resistance because the core assumption would be that proposed changes would just be used by the author in his own niche community of like-minded people. That's not threatening. Just like the rules someone has for their family, even if you disagree with them, aren't very threatening and might elicit some curiosity and polite disagreement but otherwise (barring something extreme) won't have most people up in arms; conversely, some kind of federal law mandating all families to abide by certain rules would elicit an entirely different kind of response that would encounter much more resistance

Just to be clear you think the forums are your house and if you post your opinion, which has been discussed numerous times as of late, we should just not respond at all? Are you new to the Internet?

Nope, I just expect you to not be so triggered by a flotilla conversation you feel the need to walk in with your nose in the air informing everyone they're too bad to figure out flotillas before launching into why they're not bad.

This thread is 4 or 5 people like you refusing to answer a single rebuttal or explain a single assumption, much less apologize. If the flortilla conversation has come up 3 times in 2 weeks, perhaps you aren't the big majority you assume you are.

Perhaps you're just the obnoxious, loud minority that posts a lot.

The most moronic thing about today is ...

...I just like the

DISCUSSION.

Yeah, you seem to really be enjoying yourself, and also contributing in a positive manner to the community.

Seriously, buddy. Decaf, maybe? Take a break from the forum? Give yourself a chance to calm down?

When you learn how to form an opinion for yourself and not just jump on the bandwagon with the most people pointed in the same direction, feel free to revist this thread. Until then, thank you for all of your positive contributions to the community with your vital input which you bestowed upon us here today....

/endsarcasm

What's contentious is proposing communal action based on how a minority of a group feels.

I think the REAL problem is that people interpret something like OPs post, which is purely a thought experiment, as a literal attempt to change the rules.It's not. No one is trying to change the rules or tell others how to play. They are totally physically unable to do that.It's NOTHING like knocking on someone's door and trying to take their house, because that implies at least a modicum of physical ability. You're right there, at their house, and can actually force them out of it if you want.This? This is just a discussion on the internet. There's absolutely ZERO reason to get defensive about any proposed rule changes because they AREN'T proposed rules changes. The FFG rules committee isn't here reading this thread and taking notes, this isn't a democracy where the players can vote on rules changes, it's PURELY a thought exercise.And the appropriate response to a thought exercise like this is: "I don't think anything needs to change, I like the flotilla rules as they are".It is NOT appropriate to respond with "You're not allowed to have thoughts like this, stop it!" or "You need evidence!"It's just a discussion. People are allowed to have... impressions, feelings, thoughts etc without needing hard evidence. It's just about opinions.If someone doesn't like the way flotillas work, then that's ok . And if they want to talk about how the rules might be changed, that's ok too .What's NOT ok is coming in here and telling people to stop talking like this, because they like the current flotilla rules. If you like them, then bully for you. This thread isn't for you, and it obviously upsets you, so just skip over it and stop replying. I know we've all got this burning urge to be right and to get the last word in, but this isn't a factual argument that can be won by one side or the other, it's just a debate about preferences and opinions and no one is going to 'win' this one so if you DON'T want to talk about changing the Flotilla rules because you like them, then just keep walking bub.

Don't paint this as an innocent topic because it is still one stewing after another forum member went off like a bomb about Squadrons and Flotillas because of his experience. This guy is just purposely throwing gas on a fire because he still wants to see actual change. It's not a hypothetical discussion, he wants to change public opinion to get FFG to change, or he wouldn't have been in all those other threads that already discussed this and still starts another post and agitates everyone into a more hostile argument.

He is not innocent so don't give him that much credit.

I don't have an opinion on flotillas either way, man, I tried to already be pretty clear about that. So I'm hardly bandwagon hopping to defend (or for that matter attack) the little buggers. I'm just seeing you making what's apparently the third or fourth very similar thread in just a couple weeks, banging your head against a brick wall while insulting the brick wall for being so stubborn.

You're not convincing anyone of anything good. You're clearly not enjoying the discussion despite your claims (what with all your name-calling and "triggering" shots and stuff). You're just getting yourself angry while repeating an argument for the Nth time.

So, seriously, why not call it a day?

I repeat, the same 4-6 people step in and actively choose to insert themselves into the flotilla discussion every time it comes up. They act demeaning, elitist, insulting, and throw assumptions around before dictating their opinions.

I call them out for it and I'm the bad guy...because why? They never do anything else than troll the forums together? Cause #StarWarsArmadaLyfe?

Is decency really so dead that you cannot fathom that someone standing up for themselves as good rather than the outcast for daring to question...what? A name on a forum? Ridiculous.

Either stop derailing conversations you don't like with your pompous attitudes or don't throw your hat in the ring. It's really not that hard.

What's contentious is proposing communal action based on how a minority of a group feels.

I think the REAL problem is that people interpret something like OPs post, which is purely a thought experiment, as a literal attempt to change the rules.It's not. No one is trying to change the rules or tell others how to play. They are totally physically unable to do that.It's NOTHING like knocking on someone's door and trying to take their house, because that implies at least a modicum of physical ability. You're right there, at their house, and can actually force them out of it if you want.This? This is just a discussion on the internet. There's absolutely ZERO reason to get defensive about any proposed rule changes because they AREN'T proposed rules changes. The FFG rules committee isn't here reading this thread and taking notes, this isn't a democracy where the players can vote on rules changes, it's PURELY a thought exercise.And the appropriate response to a thought exercise like this is: "I don't think anything needs to change, I like the flotilla rules as they are".It is NOT appropriate to respond with "You're not allowed to have thoughts like this, stop it!" or "You need evidence!"It's just a discussion. People are allowed to have... impressions, feelings, thoughts etc without needing hard evidence. It's just about opinions.If someone doesn't like the way flotillas work, then that's ok . And if they want to talk about how the rules might be changed, that's ok too .What's NOT ok is coming in here and telling people to stop talking like this, because they like the current flotilla rules. If you like them, then bully for you. This thread isn't for you, and it obviously upsets you, so just skip over it and stop replying. I know we've all got this burning urge to be right and to get the last word in, but this isn't a factual argument that can be won by one side or the other, it's just a debate about preferences and opinions and no one is going to 'win' this one so if you DON'T want to talk about changing the Flotilla rules because you like them, then just keep walking bub.

But this is not a new post or subject at all. This has been discussed in depth numerous times. What he is trying to do is sway public opinion and many of the posts started with "I disagree" which is perfectly fair to say in a thought experiment. But he got hostile fast so we in turn did the same.

Don't paint this as an innocent topic because it is still one stewing after another forum member went off like a bomb about Squadrons and Flotillas because of his experience. This guy is just purposely throwing gas on a fire because he still wants to see actual change. It's not a hypothetical discussion, he wants to change public opinion to get FFG to change, or he wouldn't have been in all those other threads that already discussed this and still starts another post and agitates everyone into a more hostile argument.

He is not innocent so don't give him that much credit.

Every time it comes up, you and your ilk kill it by doing the same exact things you did here today. Difference is, instead of just letting the thread die, I've actually gone out of my way to explain why your presentation is the problem, not your opinion.

Just to be clear you think the forums are your house and if you post your opinion, which has been discussed numerous times as of late, we should just not respond at all? Are you new to the Internet?

Nope, I just expect you to not be so triggered by a flotilla conversation you feel the need to walk in with your nose in the air informing everyone they're too bad to figure out flotillas before launching into why they're not bad.

This thread is 4 or 5 people like you refusing to answer a single rebuttal or explain a single assumption, much less apologize. If the flortilla conversation has come up 3 times in 2 weeks, perhaps you aren't the big majority you assume you are.

Perhaps you're just the obnoxious, loud minority that posts a lot.

Should we take an actual poll to see what the community thinks because hate to say it but it is the vocal minority that keeps my this topic going.

if this was simply a house rules thread, it wouldn't be provoking this much resistance because the core assumption would be that proposed changes would just be used by the author in his own niche community of like-minded people. That's not threatening.

Is that what this is about? People are threatened by the idea of the rules changing and that's why their being so hostile?

Do they realise how PREPOSTEROUS that is?

This isn't a rules change thread.

No such thread type exists.

It CAN'T exist. What are people imagining, that FFG are going to read this thread and issue a rules errata? Come on, that's so far out of the realm of possibility that it's ridiculous. People need to cool their jets. No one is proposing a rules change. They're only discussing their dissatisfaction with the current flotilla rules and talking about (PURELY HYPOTHETICAL) changes to those rules. As I said before, an appropriate response to this is "No, I think the flotilla rules are fine". It is NOT appropriate to respond with "STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE WAY I PLAY!"

I don't have an opinion on flotillas either way, man, I tried to already be pretty clear about that. So I'm hardly bandwagon hopping to defend (or for that matter attack) the little buggers. I'm just seeing you making what's apparently the third or fourth very similar thread in just a couple weeks, banging your head against a brick wall while insulting the brick wall for being so stubborn.

You're not convincing anyone of anything good. You're clearly not enjoying the discussion despite your claims (what with all your name-calling and "triggering" shots and stuff). You're just getting yourself angry while repeating an argument for the Nth time.

So, seriously, why not call it a day?

And yet, here you are, jumping on the band wagon. Except now you're just kind of complaining about me complaining about how some people in this community treat others over something as stupid as flotillas.

That kind of makes you a hypocrite, doesn't it?

Just to be clear you think the forums are your house and if you post your opinion, which has been discussed numerous times as of late, we should just not respond at all? Are you new to the Internet?

Nope, I just expect you to not be so triggered by a flotilla conversation you feel the need to walk in with your nose in the air informing everyone they're too bad to figure out flotillas before launching into why they're not bad.

This thread is 4 or 5 people like you refusing to answer a single rebuttal or explain a single assumption, much less apologize. If the flortilla conversation has come up 3 times in 2 weeks, perhaps you aren't the big majority you assume you are.

Perhaps you're just the obnoxious, loud minority that posts a lot.

But it's a small minority that keeps reposting this issue. You were in those other discussions so why did you bring it up Again? You already know the thoughts of most of the community that responds so why bring it up Again? The old Ben Boy posted three different threads in one day but that is One Person, and that does not make a majority.

Should we take an actual poll to see what the community thinks because hate to say it but it is the vocal minority that keeps my this topic going.

I didn't. Look at the author, genius. I merely defended myself from an onslaught of pompous, self-serving opinions and veiled insults about my ability to play the game.

if this was simply a house rules thread, it wouldn't be provoking this much resistance because the core assumption would be that proposed changes would just be used by the author in his own niche community of like-minded people. That's not threatening.

Is that what this is about? People are threatened by the idea of the rules changing and that's why their being so hostile?

Do they realise how PREPOSTEROUS that is?

This isn't a rules change thread.

No such thread type exists.

It CAN'T exist. What are people imagining, that FFG are going to read this thread and issue a rules errata? Come on, that's so far out of the realm of possibility that it's ridiculous. People need to cool their jets. No one is proposing a rules change. They're only discussing their dissatisfaction with the current flotilla rules and talking about (PURELY HYPOTHETICAL) changes to those rules. As I said before, an appropriate response to this is "No, I think the flotilla rules are fine". It is NOT appropriate to respond with "STOP TRYING TO CHANGE THE WAY I PLAY!"

Finally, a rational mind.

Just to be clear you think the forums are your house and if you post your opinion, which has been discussed numerous times as of late, we should just not respond at all? Are you new to the Internet?

Nope, I just expect you to not be so triggered by a flotilla conversation you feel the need to walk in with your nose in the air informing everyone they're too bad to figure out flotillas before launching into why they're not bad.

This thread is 4 or 5 people like you refusing to answer a single rebuttal or explain a single assumption, much less apologize. If the flortilla conversation has come up 3 times in 2 weeks, perhaps you aren't the big majority you assume you are.

Perhaps you're just the obnoxious, loud minority that posts a lot.

But it's a small minority that keeps reposting this issue. You were in those other discussions so why did you bring it up Again? You already know the thoughts of most of the community that responds so why bring it up Again? The old Ben Boy posted three different threads in one day but that is One Person, and that does not make a majority.

Should we take an actual poll to see what the community thinks because hate to say it but it is the vocal minority that keeps my this topic going.

Or, how about you try keeping your opinion to yourself (for a change) since I'm pretty sure anyone still willing to talk about flotillas on this forum is well aware of how butt hurt you and your buddies get when it comes up as a purely academic debate.

Thread's dead anyways. You want to have an actual discussion then wait a couple weeks and bring it up in a constructive way and accept most will not agree and FFG is not looking at these threads for rules changes. FFG looks at actual Tournament results. So if you want FFG's attention than collect data to present. If you want to talk house rules then present as house rules. But if you bring an opinion expect opinions that don't agree with your's and don't get aggressive. If you don't get aggressive then the majority will defend you when others get hostile. That's how life on the forums work.

many of the posts started with "I disagree" which is perfectly fair to say in a thought experiment.

Nah man, like the third response on page 1 was "Don't try and change my game!"

It's not a hypothetical discussion, he wants to change public opinion to get FFG to change

Totally.

Hypothetical.

There will be no change. This is not a democracy where FFG will listen to public opinion. Swaying public opinion will have zero effect.

And even if it did, so what? If the majority want the rules changed, who cares? We all have things we don't like about the rules, but we have to lump it anyway because they are what they are. I don't mind the flotilla rules the way they are, I don't think they're too silly, but there are sure things about the game I don't like and I wouldn't mind changing, no matter how many other players it pissed off. It's harsh to say it, but I don't actually care if some faceless strangers on the internet prefer it one way or the other. I only care about how much I like the game.

And that's what this whole thing boils down to. Some people like it this way, and shout and stamp to make it this way. Other people like it that way, and stamp and shout just as hard to make it that way.

Just to be clear you think the forums are your house and if you post your opinion, which has been discussed numerous times as of late, we should just not respond at all? Are you new to the Internet?

Nope, I just expect you to not be so triggered by a flotilla conversation you feel the need to walk in with your nose in the air informing everyone they're too bad to figure out flotillas before launching into why they're not bad.

This thread is 4 or 5 people like you refusing to answer a single rebuttal or explain a single assumption, much less apologize. If the flortilla conversation has come up 3 times in 2 weeks, perhaps you aren't the big majority you assume you are.

Perhaps you're just the obnoxious, loud minority that posts a lot.

But it's a small minority that keeps reposting this issue. You were in those other discussions so why did you bring it up Again? You already know the thoughts of most of the community that responds so why bring it up Again? The old Ben Boy posted three different threads in one day but that is One Person, and that does not make a majority.

Should we take an actual poll to see what the community thinks because hate to say it but it is the vocal minority that keeps my this topic going.

Or, how about you try keeping your opinion to yourself (for a change) since I'm pretty sure anyone still willing to talk about flotillas on this forum is well aware of how butt hurt you and your buddies get when it comes up as a purely academic debate.

And as for Butt hurt? Buddy you have responded to every single post with quotes and a half-baked rebuttal trying to prove you're the victim. Seriously, take a break and reread all your responses. We can forget this thread even happened.

Thread's dead anyways. You want to have an actual discussion then wait a couple weeks and bring it up in a constructive way and accept most will not agree and FFG is not looking at these threads for rules changes. FFG looks at actual Tournament results. So if you want FFG's attention than collect data to present. If you want to talk house rules then present as house rules. But if you bring an opinion expect opinions that don't agree with your's and don't get aggressive. If you don't get aggressive then the majority will defend you when others get hostile. That's how life on the forums work.

"Whoops, got owned, better declare the conversation over and run off." - Gotcha

"If you post this again on my schedule, I'll conform to being civil with others as long as it falls within my pre-defined idea of acceptable" - Gotcha

"I'll now go on to speak for FFG, other members of the community, and who knows who else because #iKnow." - Gotcha

"I thoroughly know and understand how FFG does things. #Totally." - Gotcha

"You can have your conversation as long as it conforms to my definition of how it should be laid out." - Gotcha

"I'm now going to repeat what you've been saying about opinions this entire time and pretend like it was my own idea." - Gotcha

"I'll now take you under my wing and explain how forums work because I'm going to close this with more assumptions about your experience while not admitting that it was the so-called "pro-Floats" that started this entire debacle by conducting ourselves like intellectual marxists and opinion fascists." - Gotcha

if it aint broke.....