Starkiller Defenders:

Countess Ryad + TIE/x7 + Trick Shot (32)

Starkiller Base Pilot + Kylo Ren's Shuttle + Collision detector + Emperor Palpatine (40)

Delta Squadron Pilot + TIE/x7 (28)


Starkiller Vessery:

Colonel Vessery + TIE/x7 + Veteran Instincts (34)

"Omega Leader" + Juke + Comm Relay (26)

Starkiller Base Pilot + Kylo Ren's Shuttle + Collision detector + Emperor Palpatine (40)


Starkiller Ryad:

"Omega Leader" + Juke + Comm Relay (26)

Countess Ryad + Twin Ion Engine Mk. II + TIE/x7 + Push the Limit (36)

Starkiller Base Pilot + Collision detector + Emperor Palpatine (38)



Not sure which I like best, Kylo's Shuttle could give a nice control aspect that the list never had access to. I'm leaning towards the Vessery version.

If you are not using the extra slots of the Upsilon, is it worth taking over the Lambda? The benefit of OGP is that it is the cheapest way to ferry Palpatine about.

SBP costs an extra 9 points to do the same job but forces you to cut down on the accompanying aces. 2 extra health and an extra red dice is good but only if you can bring it bear on the battle. If you simply treat the Upsilon like a combat ship and throw it into the fray, it won't last much longer than the Lambda. But when it goes down (and Palp with it), you will have weaker aces remaining.

I like ptl ryad with coordinate support, oh so you wanted to do every action on your bar AND not be stressed? Excuse me.

If you are not using the extra slots of the Upsilon, is it worth taking over the Lambda? The benefit of OGP is that it is the cheapest way to ferry Palpatine about.

SBP costs an extra 9 points to do the same job but forces you to cut down on the accompanying aces. 2 extra health and an extra red dice is good but only if you can bring it bear on the battle. If you simply treat the Upsilon like a combat ship and throw it into the fray, it won't last much longer than the Lambda. But when it goes down (and Palp with it), you will have weaker aces remaining.

Don't forget about the better dial and coordinate action too.

Don't forget about the better dial and coordinate action too.

I think the point is, is that worth the extra 9 points of cost? Especially since you are cutting down on your ace lineup to make it happen? 29 overall points is a nice price point to fit the Emperor into a list. 38 points is not so nice a price point.

Don't forget about the better dial and coordinate action too.

I think the point is, is that worth the extra 9 points of cost? Especially since you are cutting down on your ace lineup to make it happen? 29 overall points is a nice price point to fit the Emperor into a list. 38 points is not so nice a price point.

I believe the upsilon will be worth it's price point. First it can actually turn around. Second it has an extra attack die, an extra hull, and an extra shield. Coordinate is just icing on the cake. Taking 9 points out of your aces means one of then becomes either OL or Duchess. I can think of much worse a fate. In fact lots of ace lists were running OL already.

Don't forget about the better dial and coordinate action too.

I think the point is, is that worth the extra 9 points of cost? Especially since you are cutting down on your ace lineup to make it happen? 29 overall points is a nice price point to fit the Emperor into a list. 38 points is not so nice a price point.

I believe the upsilon will be worth it's price point. First it can actually turn around. Second it has an extra attack die, an extra hull, and an extra shield. Coordinate is just icing on the cake. Taking 9 points out of your aces means one of then becomes either OL or Duchess. I can think of much worse a fate. In fact lots of ace lists were running OL already.

Not only that, but if you take Kylo's Shuttle, you get a pretty nice control aspect out of it too.

If you are putting Palpatine on the Upsilon Shuttle, I'd make the argument that you were doing it wrong.

There is SO much more that ship offers to the game besides another seat for the Emperor, it actually makes me a little annoyed to see it suggested at all.

The offers pf the ups really dont seem worth what youre depriving your aces

Cant even really use the UPS as it is bare bones and it doesnt even get full mods for its dice in those getups

Overall seems expensive for very little gain as a palp shuttle specifically

i'm inclined to think that it'd make a very good doom shuttle. really interested to see how people make this ship work!

Not sold on doomie either. Would much rather throw away the lambda

For the UPS specifically, idk apart from FCS

FCS is basically auto include

Expertise fcs kylo, spam away coordinate without loss in action efficiency...hmmm

Played a few games with it on TTS. The clear winners are the Vessery and Ryad versions. The Ryad version lets you do stupid things like coordinate Ryad to let Ryad PtL and then reveal a green (which is nearly all of her dial anyways) and then perform a third action. Being able to Focus AND TL with OL is pretty dirty too.

The Vessery version gives you the same Omega Leader shenanigans with Vessery there as well as 2 nasty PS8 pilots and Kylo's Shuttle is actually a pretty evil upgrade for making your opponents movements much more predictable while also giving your Upsilon a chance to either block them with a stop or turn around for a shot if they get behind you.

I seriously think this has a chance to be better than Palp Vess Ryad, but will require more playtesting.

Here's my version of that list:

41 Whisper w/ VI, FCS, Kallus, ACD.

45 Kylo w/ Score to Settle, Palp, Reinforced Defelectors.

14 Wampa.

You've got classic Whisper as a finisher/damage dealer. Wampa is an annoying blocker that threatens low hull aces. Kylo in the shuttle is a tanky Palp caddy, that can put some serious hurt on enemy ships with his 4 red dice and condition. Between Kylo and Wampa, you could one-shot a Corran, Whisper or Jake without even going through their shields.

Oh God I'd not even thought about defectors on the shuttle. A tanky Kenkirk Decimator is my favourite build and that Upsilon build would live even longer...

If you are putting Palpatine on the Upsilon Shuttle, I'd make the argument that you were doing it wrong.

There is SO much more that ship offers to the game besides another seat for the Emperor, it actually makes me a little annoyed to see it suggested at all.

I kind of agree with this statement. I was looking in at the major in particular.

This was the list I put together a few days ago (I call it Major Major Major Major):

Major Stridan - Upsilon-class Shuttle (39)

Collision Detector (0), Systems Officer (2), Fleet Officer (3), Kylo Ren's Shuttle (2)

Colonel Vessary - Tie Defender (35)

Juke (2), Tie x7 (-2)

Omega Leader - Tie/Fo (26)

Juke (2), Comm Relay (3)

This list has some crazy synergy, with Stridan capable of range 3 focus and target lock hand-offs, which just makes OL and KFC (the colonel) that much more efficient. I was trying to come up with a way to mimic what you might see in a scum list with manaroo and mindlink, and this definitely has some similarities with how it plays.