Hi all,

the question is, an interdictor with grav shift can move the obstacles, but the objective tokens are move with them?

and the second question is if a squadron with strategic can pull the token out of the obstacle?

Thanks in advance

Hi all,

the question is, an interdictor with grav shift can move the obstacles, but the objective tokens are move with them?

and the second question is if a squadron with strategic can pull the token out of the obstacle?

Thanks in advance

First Question is Yes.

Second question is a whole other kettle of fish, and there are pages of discussion for no actual answer yet. It is pending FAQ

You can see the discussion here:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/237103-dangerous-territory-and-strategic/

Objective tokens are objective tokens.

If it's on the table, it can be moved by strategic.

Maybe it doesn't make sense, but that's rules for you.

Objective tokens are objective tokens.

If it's on the table, it can be moved by strategic.

Maybe it doesn't make sense, but that's rules for you.

Not saying they can't be.

Just saying the whole situation is a whole other kettle of fish, and that there are pages of discussion with no real answer, and its pending an FAQ to answer the questions involved.

Maybe that doesn't make sense, but that's Rules Discussions for you

I've done my part and sent an e-mail, so tat it might be faqed.

I've done my part and sent an e-mail, so tat it might be faqed.

Between You, Me and everyone else... I Really Hope So .

If an obstacle with an objective token placed on it during the setup of Dangerous Territory is moved with this effect, that objective token remains on that obstacle.

At the FFG regional, the judge was asked about strategic. He stated that the Objective token could be removed from the obstacle. The no one could pick up that obstacle until it was placed on an obstacle. If two tokens were on 1 obstacle, then the ship that lands on that obstacle could only pick up one token. The key thing was that to pick up the token, a ship had to land on an obstacle with a token to pick up a token and could only pick up one token at a time. A toekn that was not on an obstacle could not be picked up.

In the match that I watched this never came into play since the person with strategic did not have an interdictor to move the opponents obstacles within striking distance of strategic.

That's what I've been trying to say.

Which is cool and all.

But it doesn't help anyone who wasn't at the regional itself without an FAQ.

I don't care about who said what and who is right and wrong. I just want an official answer.

But WHY can't you move the token.

It's there. You have strategic.

Why?

But WHY can't you move the token.

It's there. You have strategic.

Why?

.. are you just raging in general, now?

I'm not saying you can't.

I just want answers for when you do ....

I'm just baffled by the fact that I can't move one token, but can move another. Yet it's not supported by any rule. It's just odd.

Edit: Can't and can oc

I'm just baffled by the fact that I can't move one token, but cannot move another. Yet it's not supported by any rule. It's just odd.

I'm frankly baffled you feel that way, too. Because that's not supported by the rules, either, and is against what I've already said today, and still doesn't bring us to any resolution as to what happens when you do, which is, of course, all we need the answers on.

Use Strategic to rip those tokens off!

This is an interesting scenario where the rules are very clear about how this works. The issue is people are digging into the intent of DT and strategic. I'm sure the intent is the tokens cannot be moved with strategic, but maybe FFG wanted that to happen? Who knows.

Play it as the RRG says.

My main point is if you are in a tournament and this could happen, bring it up to the judge. if you are playing casual at home or LGS, come to an agreement with your opponent before starting.

Ironic. I was playing a dangerous territory game at Stele and I had strategic available to use.

Me and my opponent discussed it, and figured than open a can of worms, just assumed that I could move it, but I'd still need to hit the obstacle to claim it.

I don't agree with that entirely, but I'm all for avoiding drama while playing.

Adding things:

I move 1 token with strategic and put it on an obstacle where there is already another objective token. I overlap the obstacle. I can take the objective token, no plural, no indeterminate, so which token should I take?

We must place 1 objective token on each obstacle. In order to move it, their positions matter. We don't have a strong definition of on in the RRG but even when we could agree that on is simply on and we can put them wherever as long as they will be on a obstacle and one token on each obstacle... who place them?

1. We go RAW and allow to move those tokens so we need some RAI with the objective rule.

2. We go RAI and avoid moving those tokens so we don't need changes on the objective wording.

It would be interesting if you could rip an objective token off an obstacle. Since the ship has to land on the obstacle to claim it, strategic would really screw with this objective.

If you play by the rules, you can move an objective token away from the obstacle (as the rules are right now). And there is no way of claiming this objective until it is on an obstacle again.

It is not clear what will happen if one obstacle has two objective tokens. Normaly you can only remove one.

And just to prevent this stupid orange/purple/yellow discussion again. This is the rule text right now. NOT how i see how it should work.
I guess the intention is that they cannot be moved away. But right now the rule text is missing for this.

Unless you take the FAQ text from Grav Shift Reroute and reflect it to the strategic.

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Grav Shift Reroute

If an obstacle with an objective token placed on it during the setup of Dangerous Territory is moved with this effect, that objective token remains on that obstacle.

But this is different (as the rules are right now).

My prediction: There will be a FAQ entry in the next FAQ (somewhere in the next 3-6 month), that will say: Objective Tokens on the mission Dangerous Territory have to remain on the obstacle.

1 hour ago, Tokra said:

If you play by the rules, you can move an objective token away from the obstacle (as the rules are right now). And there is no way of claiming this objective until it is on an obstacle again.

It is not clear what will happen if one obstacle has two objective tokens. Normaly you can only remove one.

And just to prevent this stupid orange/purple/yellow discussion again. This is the rule text right now. NOT how i see how it should work.
I guess the intention is that they cannot be moved away. But right now the rule text is missing for this.

Unless you take the FAQ text from Grav Shift Reroute and reflect it to the strategic.

But this is different (as the rules are right now).

My prediction: There will be a FAQ entry in the next FAQ (somewhere in the next 3-6 years ), that will say: Objective Tokens on the mission Dangerous Territory have to remain on the obstacle.

Fixed

Does it really matter if you can move the token? Dangerous Territory only awards tokens for ships that lands on the obstacle with the token, so removing the token from the obstacle would mean it is now un-scoreable.

5 minutes ago, Alzer said:

Does it really matter if you can move the token? Dangerous Territory only awards tokens for ships that lands on the obstacle with the token, so removing the token from the obstacle would mean it is now un-scoreable.

That is the reason cause it matters.

I take obstacle effect. You don't. I move the token. **** you!

1 minute ago, ovinomanc3r said:

That is the reason cause it matters.

I take obstacle effect. You don't. I move the token. **** you!

I...yeah, maybe should have checked previous posts more thoroughly.

Hmm...that seems fine. Maybe folks should have faster ships in their lists to get to the obstacles sooner.

1 minute ago, Alzer said:

I...yeah, maybe should have checked previous posts more thoroughly.

Hmm...that seems fine. Maybe folks should have faster ships in their lists to get to the obstacles sooner.

The other day, I FC/FCT'd Three VCXs, in order to remove tokens from enemy threatened obstacles on the second turn (One on the first turn)

Over the next 3 turns, I fed them all back onto the one obstacle I held... One Token at a time. One Claim at a time.