Dodonna's Big Dill Pickle...

By TheToad, in Star Wars: Armada Fleet Builds

Put this list together last night. What are you guys' thoughts?

Dodonna's Big Dill Pickle

Author: TheToad

Faction: Rebel Alliance

Points: 395/400

Commander: General Dodonna

Assault Objective: Advanced Gunnery

Defense Objective: Planetary Ion Cannon

Navigation Objective: Minefields

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)

- Toryn Farr ( 7 points)

- Bomber Command Center ( 8 points)

= 33 total ship cost

MC80 Command Cruiser (106 points)

- Flight Commander ( 3 points)

- Fighter Coordination Team ( 3 points)

- XX9 Turbolasers (5 points)

- Leading Shots (4 points)

= 121 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette B (39 points)

- Dodonnas Pride ( 6 points)

- Engine Techs ( 8 points)

= 53 total ship cost

[ flagship ] Modified Pelta-class Assault Ship (56 points)

- General Dodonna ( 20 points)

- Engine Techs ( 8 points)

- Expanded Launchers ( 13 points)

= 97 total ship cost

1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)

2 A-Wing Squadron ( 22 points)

1 E-Wing Squadron ( 15 points)

2 Y-Wing Squadrons ( 20 points)

1 Norra Wexley ( 17 points)

Is it for casual play, just trying to stuff out or are you trying to make something competitive?

Just skimming through I can say.

Expanded Launchers... complete waste of points, especially on a Pelta, but in general hands down one of the most overpriced upgrades in the game by a wide margin. For 13 points pretty much anything is better. Engine Techs on the Pelta is also kind meh, its a slow ship, its best to make peace with that and work around its limitation rather then trying to make it go faster for 8 points. I know your trying to turn this into a shooty ship but since you didn't add a fleet command upgrade, paying 77 points for the Pelta of Doom doesn't make that much sense. Your far better off throwing in a MC30 in its place or converting the Pelta into something that supports the fleet. Your using Dodona, at the very least I would swap out Expanded Launchers for Assault Proton Torpedoes.

The only other thing that caught my eye was Nora Wexely. In general, if you are going to use her, pump her for all she is worth and bring out the bombers and Intel to keep them moving. Otherwise I don't think she is worth it. Her job is to melt shields like butter and she does it well but only with the proper support, you just need to add it. "All Fighters Follow Me" on the Pelta and suddenly you got Y-Wings with Speed 4.

I do think this list will get outflanked pretty hard, you really don't have anything that can deal with speed assault ships so can expect to be fighting from your rear flanks fairly quickly. That's fairly sizeable weakness in the list. You need more firepower, but the Pelta is not the place to get it.

I always say though try the list you built, then adjust. You don't learn nearly as much from talking about a weak list as you do from playing one.

Dodonna's Raiders

Author: TheToad

Faction: Rebel Alliance

Points: 395/400

Commander: General Dodonna

Assault Objective: Advanced Gunnery

Defense Objective: Planetary Ion Cannon

Navigation Objective: Minefields

[ flagship ] Modified Pelta-class Command Ship (60 points)

- General Dodonna ( 20 points)

- Flight Commander ( 3 points)

- Fighter Coordination Team ( 3 points)

- All Fighters, Follow Me! ( 5 points)

= 91 total ship cost

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points)

- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)

- Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points)

= 72 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)

- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)

= 51 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)

- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)

= 51 total ship cost

GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)

- Toryn Farr ( 7 points)

- Expanded Hangar Bay ( 5 points)

- Bomber Command Center ( 8 points)

= 38 total ship cost

1 Norra Wexley ( 17 points)

2 Y-Wing Squadrons ( 20 points)

1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)

1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points)

1 Corran Horn ( 22 points)

The original list was a bit of an experiment with the pelta, since it's release I've been trying to find a way to make it the forward facing MC30 but it falls short. The second list puts the pelta back in its place and breaks the 80 into several smaller ships.

Its interesting, I definitely think you should try it. I haven't tried the Pelta yet either so I can't say too much about what a proper setup would look like, but I don't think there are any particularly good ways to put it into a pew pew role. Its a command ship, I think its role as a support ship of one sort or another is kind of the comfort zone.

At 91 points, man that's pretty expensive. Flight Controller and Boosted Coms might be a bit redundant, though I see what your going for with the fast moving Squadron but since your supporting it with the GR-75 I don't think you are going to want to let it get too far ahead anyway.

Everyone has there own personal take on list building, I'm a bit of a less is more kind of guy when it comes to upgrades. Taking the approach of "what is absolutely necessary to make the list work" and cutting everything else. As a rule too I always look at my list and ask the question, can this list take a fully load ISD down (aka do I have an appropriately scary amount of Firepower).

Taking the same concept you have going here I think I would probably do something like this.

Pelta Command

Faction: Rebel Alliance
Points: 398/400

Commander: General Dodonna

Assault Objective: Precision Strike
Defense Objective: Fleet Ambush
Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory

Modified Pelta-class Command Ship (60 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- All Fighters, Follow Me! ( 5 points)
= 69 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)
- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)
= 51 total ship cost

CR90 Corvette A (44 points)
- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)
= 51 total ship cost

MC30c Torpedo Frigate (63 points)
- Admonition ( 8 points)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points)
= 76 total ship cost

[ flagship ] GR-75 Medium Transports (18 points)
- General Dodonna ( 20 points)
- Bomber Command Center ( 8 points)
= 46 total ship cost

3 Y-Wing Squadrons ( 30 points)
1 Jan Ors ( 19 points)
1 Norra Wexley ( 17 points)
1 Shara Bey ( 17 points)
1 Corran Horn ( 22 points)

The thinking here with the objectives is that you want to leverage crits given that you have Dodonna. Precision Strike I think is a better choice then Advanced Gunnery for a list like this, you are going to be outgunned with like 95% of all lists out there via ships so it would be worse for you. With Precision Strike your leverage points off your Bombers and flipping up cards. Flee Ambush Forces your opponent to push his fleet up to catch early else leave them to your bombers so its good for you either way and Dangerous Territory, that's just an auto add with Dodonna but especially when your running agile Corvettes that will be flanking anyway.

Pelta makes your fleet a 4 move minimum across the board, that's really plenty fast. Boosted Coms is sufficient, you won't have trouble keeping up until you strike. The Corvettes are the classic builds, you want to make sure you flank like hell, steal objectives and shoot at stuff with shields already down for crits. MC30 .. always Title.. always... An MC30 without one of the two titles should stay in the box, they are waaaay to good to pass up. No Ordinance Experts, the list was a bit tight but black dice are dependable enough, your not that shooty anyway.

GR-75 should sit as far behind as you can get it while still supporting the fleet. With tokens you will be able to command the squads when it counts, I don't think Expanded Cargos are needed here, you shouldn't be that close to the action anyway. Toryn far... would be a nice add, but again ... 1-3 is a bit too close and you should be looking to bomb as much as you can anyway. You have tons of counter, let your A and E Wings lock down and get shot at with counter.

4 Y-Wings with Norra are shield melters, you need Intel to keep them moving. Escort would have been nice but Y-Wings are sturdy, Jan Ors will die but if you manage it well she will have done her job by the time she does.

In any case, not sure you actually me to tell you what I would do but Its Saturday night, kids are asleep, Im drinking an Ice cold Piston Head and I got Armada on my mind.

Edited by BigKahuna

I like your version big K, looking over it I'd drop Coran and replace him with Tycho, then squeeze in Ord experts...