I am sorry for yesterday.

Slight explanation for ranting towards the end. I received a pm from a fellow poster saying that he sympathized with my feeling and that some of the posters giving me grief were FFG employees. I lost it as anyone who has spent lots of money on a company's product and feels rejected by that company and disrespected would feel. At this I just give up on trying to figure out what it going on and have decided I might rethink playing games like this and move into more cooperative style games from now on.

One on one games can always lead to a bit of shall we say "over focus". Maybe try a team game of armada, we have played games with two teams of 2 and it chills out the competitiveness a lot. Imperial Assault is also good fun and is cooperative in campaign mod.

Good luck in your future gaming.

. I lost it as anyone who has spent lots of money on a company's product and feels rejected by that company and disrespected would feel.

You feel rejected and disrespected by company just because they don't shape the game the way you want ?

Dude. I totally posted on the other powder keg. And now you do this? Huh? Dude.

One on one games can always lead to a bit of shall we say "over focus". Maybe try a team game of armada, we have played games with two teams of 2 and it chills out the competitiveness a lot. Imperial Assault is also good fun and is cooperative in campaign mod.

Good luck in your future gaming.

. I lost it as anyone who has spent lots of money on a company's product and feels rejected by that company and disrespected would feel.

You feel rejected and disrespected by company just because they don't shape the game the way you want ?

One on one games can always lead to a bit of shall we say "over focus". Maybe try a team game of armada, we have played games with two teams of 2 and it chills out the competitiveness a lot. Imperial Assault is also good fun and is cooperative in campaign mod.

Good luck in your future gaming.

Pretty much the route I am headed. Thanks!

This isn't the miniatures game you are looking for. Move along, move along..

I'm not trying to be mean, but you seem a little too thin-skinned to be on the internet. You just need to chill out, take a step back, and let it go man. Just forget all this happened, stop talking about it, and move on. It's weird and trolly to keep bringing it back up.

Edit: The same goes for everyone else. If Bladewing drops it, we need to drop it too. I don't want every **** post he makes to devolve into Ben jokes.

It takes strength and humility to admit when you made a mistake, especially on the internet where everyone seems to have a bit more testosterone (no offense to any ladies), not to mention anonymity, than in real life. Well done. I am sorry if it turns out that you need to step away from a great game like Armada, but it sounds like the ruleset wasn't quite for you anyway, which is OK. If you choose to remain on these boards, and your tone is positive, you will be welcomed by most of the community (I can't say there won't be a few that can't let go, but cest la vie).

@WuFame: It's going to be hard to leave the Ben jokes alone though. That is going to be a long time running joke on the boards here, much like Greeblehauling.

Take a break. There's more going on then you are letting on and it goes further than pushing plastic. Something's going on called Life and you need to take care of yourself. Taking a game personally is not a healthy sign so take a break. You don't need to explain to the world what is going on but you need to back off for a while and remember this is the Internet. It's kind of a sociopath if it was a person. Don't go to it and expect sympathy and you have to have thicker skin if you're going to vent on it.

Apologies heard and accepted but listen to me, take a break and take care of what is going on in life. Life is more important than pushing plastic and when you do push plastic play with good people and be that good person yourself, don't play with Ben or become a Ben yourself. As an older man I can say it's just not worth it.

Bladewing24,

This is one of the best communities I have ever been a part of, and I would be considered an "old Codger" at this internets stuff. This community will support you when you need it. You can lean on it as I have, as well as others have. Ignore the BS.

But, I will say one thing. If you go to a chess tournament and try to argue with everyone that it should be more like checkers, you will get run out on a rail. temper expectations, and like Beatty said. Enjoy games. Play them how you want, casually. I think you will get a hell of a lot more out of Armada on the casual side, as well as the CC side. CC was made to create a community. for $20-25 its a steal.

I'm new to this game and I haven't got much out of the Starter game, so take my advice with a gran (or many) of salt, and some chips, salsa and a good beer in hand.

I think a game is best played when it is something you enjoy. Now this enjoyment comes from:

1) The game itself (it's story-line, parts and pieces) which is the miniatures part that make it collectable and visually stimulation. I'll bet we all love this part.

2) The game mechanics; do you like the way it works the miniatures on the mat? I'll bet, save a few debatable points, we like this part too; let's admit it, the game's designers really try to make it balanced in it's different factions, and, for the most part, they do a fine job.

3) The casual game....we should all really love this, for it's with friends and family and is comfortable and this is where beer fits in. Smile.

3) The competitive or tournament games. This is where you can try to make a name for yourself and test your metal. This is tough if you have thin skin or a delicate heart. If loosing bugs you, it's not your bag, unless you're wicked good; and few are.

In X-Wing, my favorite game to date, relaxed games of fun, fantastic miniatures with smiling faces is my bag; it's fun, regardless of whether my squad makes it to the end or not....the wonderful miniatures survive regardless...and there is always another game to set up and try again.

So relax....play.

Really, be a big kid; just play.

Thank you for reaching out. I know we have been hard on you, but I hope you understand why. The vast majority of the community is willing to help you learn how to play better.

I hope you decide to stick with Armada and help expand the game to new players.

Bladewing24,

This is one of the best communities I have ever been a part of, and I would be considered an "old Codger" at this internets stuff. This community will support you when you need it. You can lean on it as I have, as well as others have. Ignore the BS.

But, I will say one thing. If you go to a chess tournament and try to argue with everyone that it should be more like checkers, you will get run out on a rail. temper expectations, and like Beatty said. Enjoy games. Play them how you want, casually. I think you will get a hell of a lot more out of Armada on the casual side, as well as the CC side. CC was made to create a community. for $20-25 its a steal.

Take it for what you will, but I find it a bit dubious that someone is claiming that a FFG employee (on a personal account or not) would ever bother posting to anyone on this forum. Let alone be purposefully disrespectful to you without prior disrespect.

Large companies have a reputation to protect. So I wouldnt trust this source of yours in the least. That said I cant agree with your assumptions about the game or the community. To each there own however.

Bladewing24,

This is one of the best communities I have ever been a part of, and I would be considered an "old Codger" at this internets stuff. This community will support you when you need it. You can lean on it as I have, as well as others have. Ignore the BS.

But, I will say one thing. If you go to a chess tournament and try to argue with everyone that it should be more like checkers, you will get run out on a rail. temper expectations, and like Beatty said. Enjoy games. Play them how you want, casually. I think you will get a hell of a lot more out of Armada on the casual side, as well as the CC side. CC was made to create a community. for $20-25 its a steal.

My parting words X-Wing is chess. Armada is Warhammer. With all that means chess can be played and enjoyed by children and still foils masters. Warhammer will alway be that game that it to heavy and expensive for most people and that game that wishes it was chess.

Um, X-Wing can be chess if you're playing fighters that might have a pilot skill, mod, and perhaps a cannon or missile; but it can be as complex as Armada (in a way, I think, reading the rules and just beginning to play a lot) if you have a synergies or shenanigans list....it's got real complexity if you hunt for it; in my humble opinion.

So, I've been following these threads without actually commenting, because more than enough was being said really, but did he just apologise, blame it on (literally) industrial level paranoia, chuck one last insult at the game, then delete his account before any responses could happen?

I mean, there's mic drops, and then there's chucking a stone at a window, and running like a bat out of hell before someone realises.

So, I've been following these threads without actually commenting, because more than enough was being said really, but did he just apologise, blame it on (literally) industrial level paranoia, chuck one last insult at the game, then delete his account before any responses could happen?

I mean, there's mic drops, and then there's chucking a stone at a window, and running like a bat out of hell before someone realises.

If not spot on, that's pretty close. Important to remember in this case he admitted to being a troll, made a number of posts boasting about the fact, and at no point engaged with any one of the requests from members of this community trying to help him understand and play Armada better.

There are those who inadvertently become a victim due to misunderstanding, and those who invite this sort of thing upon themselves. Bladewing showed every sign that he knew exactly what he was doing. He enjoyed the attention as a result. If and I do mean IF (none of this is actually verified) a few FFG staffers joined in on the jest surrounding BladeWing, I don't fault them in the least. After all, it's all been so comically ignorant and stupid up until this point that we were all treating it as a joke.

I don't see the sincerity in an apology that amounts to a glancing blow at the game he loves one moment then disrespects the next. I think I speak for everyone here in saying he's perfectly welcome to stay and be a member of the active community if he can remain civil and constructive. The community has nothing to gain from evangelistic salt, though.

Take it for what you will, but I find it a bit dubious that someone is claiming that a FFG employee (on a personal account or not) would ever bother posting to anyone on this forum. Let alone be purposefully disrespectful to you without prior disrespect.

Large companies have a reputation to protect. So I wouldnt trust this source of yours in the least. Thst said I csnt agree with your assumptions about the game or the community. To each there own however.

The guy made the whole FFG thing up. The PM he shared had all the same awful spelling and grammar mistakes that he makes in his own posts. He's managed to act nice towards Armada for a few hours, and now he's back to being a jerk again. He's either an incredibly talented manipulator or a completely lacks in self-awareness. Either way, he's bad for the community.

Bladewing definitely brought to mind the old expression "If every day you meeet an a-hole then they're probably a-holes. If everyone you meet in a day is an a-hole it's probably not them."

Bladewing24,

This is one of the best communities I have ever been a part of, and I would be considered an "old Codger" at this internets stuff. This community will support you when you need it. You can lean on it as I have, as well as others have. Ignore the BS.

But, I will say one thing. If you go to a chess tournament and try to argue with everyone that it should be more like checkers, you will get run out on a rail. temper expectations, and like Beatty said. Enjoy games. Play them how you want, casually. I think you will get a hell of a lot more out of Armada on the casual side, as well as the CC side. CC was made to create a community. for $20-25 its a steal.

My parting words X-Wing is chess. Armada is Warhammer. With all that means chess can be played and enjoyed by children and still foils masters. Warhammer will alway be that game that it to heavy and expensive for most people and that game that wishes it was chess.

Having played every versiona/incarnation of Warhammer/WH40k (and AT/SM/Epic/Epic40k) since 1988-89, I have to point out that at no time has it had anywhere near the play balance or tightness of rules structure of Armada. Of the hundreds (I collect game systems) of gaming systems I have encountered it is still one of the better designed for it's intended scope of play (ignoring some notorious bookcase games, such as Titan...). Warhammer, especially 40k, has always been a mess of constant imbalance, shifting style and structure. X-wing has a much messier meta than Armada, with definite hotspots, and has a much smaller scope, so less excuse for it. Note I still greatly respect X-wing as a good, fun game, but it is not trying to achieve the same level of depth, and has a much more limited "feature set" and less mechanics. It's like checkers, vs. Armada's chess. There is a great deal of tactical depth to it, but it is fundamentally reactive in nature, whereas Armada REQUIRES planning, and forethought, and more mechanical fiddling, and doesn't allow for a lot of real-time reactivity in the same way. I do not agree that Armada is a messy game, with glaring imbalances. It has a lively meta, with no glaring auto-wins (a few weak points, but even Interdictors and Vics can be used incredibly effectively if you put your mind to it), and has been very well managed through it's evolution over the last couple years as new releases have come out; they've done a much better job of it than they did with X-wing, in my observation, with a much more complex system. There are a few things I may have done differently as a game designer, but that is my particular opinion as a fairly intelligent and experienced gamer and systems engineer (academic and professionally), with my own long history and personal biases.

Star Wars Armada can bring out the beast, its a very challenging skill based game and good players will beat a weaker player 100% of the time. You aren't going to get lucky and win sometimes. There is very little luck in Armada even though there is dice. Its typical for new players to start out humbled and confused and then eventually become frustrated and start questioning the merits of the game itself. There is a kind of learning curve and barrier to cross, it can be painful, I'm speaking of experience as a player who is actively still trying to cross it.

For what its worth Darkwing, I have read many of your post and as politely as I can with no disrespect, you are very often (pretty much always) categorically wrong and your post are those of a a very inexperienced player yet to cross over venting his frustration. You seem to like Armada but find a lot of problems with it, but you fail to see those problems as challenging puzzles to overcome. That is what the meta is, that is what the game is, its a challenge. Can you beat this or that list, can you overcome this or that mechanic. The solutions are already in the game, each wave introduces new puzzles but the solutions are also in there. Every meta list ever made eventually falls out of favor because the puzzle was solved and people connect the dots.

Suffice to say, its worth sticking it out. As an exercise I suggest rephrasing your posts a little. Instead of saying "Demolisher is OP, its ruining the game", try "Demolisher is kicking my butt, how do you deal with it? Aka pose it as a question rather than insulting the game and you will find that the community will rally around you and help you because we are all in the same boat, dealing with the same challenges, getting our butts kicked by the same ships, upgrades and lists.

Hope you take this post in the way its intended.

Take it for what you will, but I find it a bit dubious that someone is claiming that a FFG employee (on a personal account or not) would ever bother posting to anyone on this forum. Let alone be purposefully disrespectful to you without prior disrespect.

Large companies have a reputation to protect. So I wouldnt trust this source of yours in the least. Thst said I csnt agree with your assumptions about the game or the community. To each there own however.

The guy made the whole FFG thing up. The PM he shared had all the same awful spelling and grammar mistakes that he makes in his own posts. He's managed to act nice towards Armada for a few hours, and now he's back to being a jerk again. He's either an incredibly talented manipulator or a completely lacks in self-awareness. Either way, he's bad for the community.

I also believe he made it up. The bit about Boardgamegeek in particular is nuts. I check on the BGG Armada forums from time to time and they're basically a wasteland. The occasional new guy asks questions there and sometimes Norsehound puts little tactica things there but it's not even close to the same level of quality of information* or quantity of input that the basic forum here provides.

*Despite my occasional complaints about the noise to static ratio, there is usually at least one or two crunchier threads here at any given time. The same cannot be said for BGG, which is mostly "how I play Armada?" or "what else should I buy now?" posts. Those are fine for their purpose but they're not very crunchy.

In terms of cost, everyone I know who plays Armada has spent less on it than they have in X-wing... Some of that is due to X-wing being a bit older, but it also tends to encourage buying multiples of everything. The Core set is cheaper, but also comes with far less material. Eventually I hope FFG updates the Armada core set, but we will just have to wait and see. And Armada is still one of the cheaper mid-level miniatures wargames I have played in general...

In terms of cost, everyone I know who plays Armada has spent less on it than they have in X-wing... Some of that is due to X-wing being a bit older, but it also tends to encourage buying multiples of everything. The Core set is cheaper, but also comes with far less material. Eventually I hope FFG updates the Armada core set, but we will just have to wait and see. And Armada is still one of the cheaper mid-level miniatures wargames I have played in general...

I wouldn't call it cheaper, as an avid fan of both X-Wing and Armada, I would venture to say that Armada actually ended up being cheaper for me but in Armada I have only collected Rebels, while X-Wing I did both Imperials and Rebels. I think if I was collecting Both factions in Armada it would be at least as expensive but more likely more expensive.

To me personally the cost is irrelevant though, I mean dropping 500 bucks on a hobby you enjoy for years is a very cheap price point. I've rarely regretted a purchase of a game or something for a hobby, in my eyes this is one of the best investments that always pays for itself I ever make.