I'm not sure if I expect to see it soon but I would be very pleased by an X-wing/Y-wing dual pack with pilots from Rogue One. I don't need a fifth X-wing mini but I would like to have a few wave 1 ships made to FFG's current standards of quality. My wave one X-wings especially are muddy and misshapen compared to more recent releases.

The Rebel Y-wing absolutely deserves more pilots. We have movie characters for both the X and Y that should be included in the game. And dammit the X-wing needs to be better, power-creep be damned.

If not for R1; let's expect some T65 candy for ANH's 40th birthday.

But do the upgrades for the X-wing and Y-wing have to come in a dual pack?

What about the next thought:

Imperial Veterans - Defender and TIE Bomber

Heroes of the Resistance - T-70 and YT-1300

Scum & Villainy don´t have a ´Veterans pack´, yet..

Scum Cruiser adds for the M3-A Scyk

Leaves the X-wing, Y-wing, Star Viper, and Kyrhaxz for extra attention. Note there is apparently no Imperial Ship we are crying ´Havoc!´ for... (Interceptor maybe?)

I expect the Star Viper and Kyhraxz to be improved with a ´Forces of Corruption´ pack with one model for each.

Probably getting announced somewhere in the middle of the year while we wait for wave XI

Wave XI should be announced shortly and with no Rebel Veterans on the Horizon as they got their treat with Heroes of the Resistance I wonder if Wave XI might contain one or both of these:

- X-wing in partisan colours

- Y-wing in Grey Squadron colours

Admittedly, I have no clue what to add for the Empire or Scum besides some Bespin Cloud Cars, Droid (tri-)fighters, Naboo N-1´s, Scum V-wings, and the ever mentioned Gunboat for the Empire or Vader´s pre-advanced ship; an ETA-2 in black.

"Rogue One" X-wing and Y-wing expansions as stand alone would actually make a lot of sense. We have not seen a ship re-released as a standard expansion before but it is a possibility. Would allow consumers to buy exactly which ships they need but are less likely to contain more than 2 copies of any "fix" cards. Y-wing is really just screaming for more pilots so that is fine. I'm not sure a regular $15 expansion is likely to contain enough X-wing cards to make players happy though.

Speaking of wave XI, I'm not what the odds are of that wave containing episode nine ships. If not, I'd probably expect the Phantom II from Rebels, Maul's Korm'rik for Scum, and.. why not Zoidb Gunboat?

The name of the game is not HWK-290 the miniatures game.

Rebel Veterans will bring back the glory of its namesake.

Rebel Veterans will be Blue Squadron with this guy:

Such a man! I'd follow him to hell and back, I would!

The name of the game is not HWK-290 the miniatures game.

Rebel Veterans will bring back the glory of its namesake.

Rebel Veterans will be Blue Squadron with this guy:

Such a man! I'd follow him to hell and back, I would!

I used to date a girl called Helen Back ..... just be careful what you wish for

I may be out on a limb here, but do you guys think Disney is pushing these "Star Wars Stories" over the Episode Movies? I guess they all sort of balance out, but I've heard many people born post Episode V, that they think Rogue One is their favorite movie. I know that this inquiry seems unrelated to the OP's begging for an E-Wing and HWK buff (and alternately painted miniatures), but I think FFG would follow game design over forum whining, yes? The game demands some sort of spark every now and then to generate buzz and interest if it is to be healthy, but in the end a well balanced game with ships and pilots that people know (what's in front of their eyes) is the backbone of the game. And in this age of immediate gratification, the younger generation would say it is the ships they saw in the most recent whatever.

So what does the Mouse want and the FFG guys thinks works best for the game?

Strictly monetarily speaking, I'll bet issuing repainted previously used plastic molds is best for quick jack (if the interest is high), but that has a very limited upward bounce to the game. New ship pack issues need to create buzz. I don't think buffs (arguable if they're even needed) to existing models is very high on the designer's list. The latest FAQ did quite a broad brush in the existing Meta, and it was fairly mild...overall. Knowing the Mouse is behind the curtain, looking over the designer's shoulders, I'll bet they lean towards new designs over re-issuing older ones. The only truly older needy ships at this point are the Punisher and the Karaxeeraxeraxe....and they aren't even seemingly thought about by the designers at this stage. The X-Wing and the Y-Wing have been on well trodden paths of assistance, and are very usable in the current Meta be it casual or tournament. The designers therefore seem like they're going to continue to push into new ships and creative angles into unique, untapped design spaces; like Kylo's new shuttle, the Space Tractor-beam tug, unique flying TIE Striker, etc.

My money is on new released ships, not re-hashes of older models, unless they are iconic, and flown by new main characters.

Look, FFG can't ignore the release of Rogue One, or they face missing sales opportunities. More people are going to be out there looking to buy Rogue One related merchandise, which if released in expansion form, could lead to a heightened level of game purchases to acquire that expansion. What the market is NOT interested in is an expansion of 2 Legends ships that nobody has ever heard of, nor has even been in a movie. Blue Squadron was very prominently featured in Rogue One, which was a major, and very successful, theatrical release. The chances of seeing Scum Aces before getting a Blue Squadron pack is absolutely nil. Disney and LFL absolutely would not let them get away with it.

Not only that, but it's a GOLDEN, no, it's a PLATINUM opportunity to revisit and re-balance the X-Wing, one that FFG simply cannot afford to pass up, considering they may never get the chance again, as new movies probably won't feature the original T-65 X-Wing that prominently.

tl;dr more people actually give a **** about X-Wings and Y-Wings on the whole of the Star Wars fan base than the kihrhyzxzhzzazx and the space butterfly, and only one of those in the group were in Rogue One, one of the biggest movie events of the year.

Funnily enough, they didn't ignore the film - the U-Wing and the Striker came out.

You overestimate how much Disney and LFL 'meddle' with FFG's handling of X-Wing, and how much those 'higher-ups' care which canon something comes from.

The viability of the ships in the game is clearly a high priority for FFG, and so given that they've never had an 'Ace' pack for Scum, yet have had two for each of the other factions, strongly suggests we will get 'ships nobody has heard of' before repainted X-Wings that people don't need.

As for the mythical 'X-Wing Fix', I'd lay money that it's never coming, and I think people need to start accepting that. Cards keep getting added to the game that the X-Wing can make good use of (Integrated Astromech, M9-G8, Vectored Thrusters, to name but three) and there are plenty of solid, viable pilots there. The problem is that people have just accepted 'the X-Wing is bad' and so never bother to even try it.

Can someone please explain to me, in small words for I am easily distracted, why there's so much dog-leg-humping love for the Partisan X-Wing? How much screen time did one actually get in R1? Were there actually any at the Battle of Scarif? Or is it somewhere else? Maybe if it shows up in SW:Rebels with Saw's merry band having some (since they had some in Catalyst if I recall correctly).

Can someone please explain to me, in small words for I am easily distracted, why there's so much dog-leg-humping love for the Partisan X-Wing? How much screen time did one actually get in R1? Were there actually any at the Battle of Scarif? Or is it somewhere else? Maybe if it shows up in SW:Rebels with Saw's merry band having some (since they had some in Catalyst if I recall correctly).

The way they were standing around it in the film and the smoke that was coming from it in Jedha implied serious cut scenes that we may never get to see (but lets hope for the extended directors super edition)

It's also quite hard to understand why any thread that starts with a Rebel ship in the header always seems to usher in T-65 whining. It's an wide, broken road....boring.

I guess these youngsters have never read Frost; they don't know the joys of taking the road less traveled.

It's also quite hard to understand why any thread that starts with a Rebel ship in the header always seems to usher in T-65 whining. It's an wide, broken road....boring.

I guess these youngsters have never read Frost; they don't know the joys of taking the road less traveled.

Robert Frost is the favorite poet for pretentious special snowflakes, who envy more being different than, well, anything else.

Which, funny, is what a lot of old people say about young people these days.

Look, FFG can't ignore the release of Rogue One, or they face missing sales opportunities. More people are going to be out there looking to buy Rogue One related merchandise, which if released in expansion form, could lead to a heightened level of game purchases to acquire that expansion. What the market is NOT interested in is an expansion of 2 Legends ships that nobody has ever heard of, nor has even been in a movie. Blue Squadron was very prominently featured in Rogue One, which was a major, and very successful, theatrical release. The chances of seeing Scum Aces before getting a Blue Squadron pack is absolutely nil. Disney and LFL absolutely would not let them get away with it.

Not only that, but it's a GOLDEN, no, it's a PLATINUM opportunity to revisit and re-balance the X-Wing, one that FFG simply cannot afford to pass up, considering they may never get the chance again, as new movies probably won't feature the original T-65 X-Wing that prominently.

tl;dr more people actually give a **** about X-Wings and Y-Wings on the whole of the Star Wars fan base than the kihrhyzxzhzzazx and the space butterfly, and only one of those in the group were in Rogue One, one of the biggest movie events of the year.

Funnily enough, they didn't ignore the film - the U-Wing and the Striker came out.

You overestimate how much Disney and LFL 'meddle' with FFG's handling of X-Wing, and how much those 'higher-ups' care which canon something comes from.

The viability of the ships in the game is clearly a high priority for FFG, and so given that they've never had an 'Ace' pack for Scum, yet have had two for each of the other factions, strongly suggests we will get 'ships nobody has heard of' before repainted X-Wings that people don't need.

As for the mythical 'X-Wing Fix', I'd lay money that it's never coming, and I think people need to start accepting that. Cards keep getting added to the game that the X-Wing can make good use of (Integrated Astromech, M9-G8, Vectored Thrusters, to name but three) and there are plenty of solid, viable pilots there. The problem is that people have just accepted 'the X-Wing is bad' and so never bother to even try it.

Wow, the assumptions and reaching here is astounding.

Considering that Disney pushed out a surprise core set on force friday, early released the U-Wing and TIE Striker specifically for Rogue One, just like they early released the T-70 and TIE/FO packs for the movie, i'd say that at the very least, new movie releases and the content within are PRIORITIES.

Also, considering, that FFG developers have specifically stated that they know that the X-Wing, M3-A, Kihraxz, and Starviper are underwhelming craft, that they have plans to fix them. Interviews that occurred POST HotR. The fact that FFG puts the X-Wing on the same level as the M3-A, Starviper, etc shows just how poor of a ship that even the developers consider it to be. Additionally, there are, in fact, not plenty of solid, viable pilots there, when only one is used by any amount, and guess what? It's Biggs! The one pilot whose used because the craft he's flying has absolutely no effect on his effectiveness. Wes is barely used because he's underwhelming and nobody is going to spend extra points for all that stuff when the T-65 is fundamentally overcosted as-is. M9-G8 is an incredibly niche astromech and no T-65 is going to spend 2 points on a mod when it could, instead, spend 0. But hey, if you'll lay down money that an X-Wing fix isn't out by the end of 2017 to give room for development time, i'll match you 1 for 1.

I used to fly lists with all kinds of T-65 pilots, including Wes, Wedge, even Tarn Mison, and you know why i stopped? Because compared to the successes i had flying T-70s(not just Poe, i mean Red Ace and Ello Asty as well), i wasn't getting anywhere with them.

Because they're bad.

So yeah, i do think we'll get repainted X-Wings from the biggest movie event of the year before we get Legends ships most Star Wars fans dont even know exist. Not only because it needs to be done, but also because Rogue One related content is guaranteed to sell way better than Scum Aces, considering FFG just put out a Scum epic ship, and we already know Epic sells very poorly, they literally can't afford to make more financial risks.

I want an X/Y release, but really don't get the Partisan colours thing.

Screen time and use-wise, Blue Squadron Xs got WAY more than Partisan Xs. Hell, the only clear shot of one is it crashed in the street

Whereas Blue Squadron were **** heroes *wipes single tear*

I highly doubt if FFG gave us a new, repainted X-Wing that it would be Partisan.

I'll be pissed if we don't get Tycho or Corran as X-wing cards. I don't care if their canon or not. That's all well and good and I wouldn't mind seeing some Blues make it into the Xs but dammit I want Rogue Squadron in their proper ships!

Wow, the assumptions and reaching here is astounding.

Which is interesting, given how you claimed to know exactly what 'the market wants' and exactly how internal business interactions go between FFG and it's 'superiors' to the point where you stated as fact that Disney would not allow FFG to release an Ace pack for ships they've identified as lacking, because they'd want to push out a Rogue One product when we already had the U-Wing and Striker - just because the X-Wing features in one battle scene of said film.

I'd say I'm not the one making assumptions here.

Considering that Disney pushed out a surprise core set on force friday, early released the U-Wing and TIE Striker specifically for Rogue One, just like they early released the T-70 and TIE/FO packs for the movie, i'd say that at the very least, new movie releases and the content within are PRIORITIES.

Of course - that's why we got the U-Wing and Striker ahead of the rest of Wave 10, the same as the T-70 and TIE/FO ahead of Wave 8 last year. But the release of the new core set last year does not necessarily translate to an equivalent third product for Rogue One - and if it did, do you not think FFG would have at least announced it by now, to drum up interest while the film is still in cinemas?

Also, considering, that FFG developers have specifically stated that they know that the X-Wing, M3-A, Kihraxz, and Starviper are underwhelming craft, that they have plans to fix them. Interviews that occurred POST HotR. The fact that FFG puts the X-Wing on the same level as the M3-A, Starviper, etc shows just how poor of a ship that even the developers consider it to be.

Yes, the X-Wing could use an 'Aces' type improvement in the same way as those ships, and FFG are aware of that. But given the way the 'Ace/Veterans/Heroes' boxes have been released thus far, the fact Scum have never had one while both the other factions have two, the fact that the last one released was for Rebels, and the fact that a Starviper/Kihraxz box makes so much sense thematically (the Black Sun connection), I'd say the next 'Ace' box being for Scum is the most likely outcome.

Additionally, there are, in fact, not plenty of solid, viable pilots there, when only one is used by any amount, and guess what? It's Biggs! The one pilot whose used because the craft he's flying has absolutely no effect on his effectiveness. Wes is barely used because he's underwhelming and nobody is going to spend extra points for all that stuff when the T-65 is fundamentally overcosted as-is. M9-G8 is an incredibly niche astromech and no T-65 is going to spend 2 points on a mod when it could, instead, spend 0.

Biggs is a blight on the game, because his ability is so potentially breakable that I would not be at all surprised if he was the reason the 'X-Wing Fix' has never happened as of yet - he limits what FFG can do with the ship. From a personal standpoint, I hate him - he feels poorly designed given that so many Rebel lists rely on him as a crutch, and at best he's a woefully unimaginative and dull inclusion in a list. I would be quite happy if they gave him a new pilot card and changed that ability.

Wes doesn't need to spend points for 'all that stuff', and the three cards I listed were just examples (certainly there's still design room for more new Astromech and Elite upgrades that the X-Wing can use) - Just giving him Veteran Instincts, an R2 droid and Integrated Astromech is a perfectly sufficient 31pts with a very potent ability in the current environment (Defenders, Dengar/Manaroo, Imperial pocket Aces) that occurs before most ships will have a chance to deny it. If the rest of the list is dangerous enough, Wes will either be ignored in favour of something else, in which case he can wreak havoc, or he will be targeted anyway but the other ships will do lasting damage in the time it takes (5HP + Integrated is still a fair bit to get through).

As for Vectored Thrusters, I'll admit it's risky, but have you ever actually tried it? It's possible to fly three PS10 X-Wings all with barrel roll, which if nothing else can be hugely unexpected by most players; both facing X-Wings and facing an entirely PS10 list. If Wes and Wedge are able to concentrate fire on something, it'll be unhappy no matter what it is.

So yeah, i do think we'll get repainted X-Wings from the biggest movie event of the year before we get Legends ships most Star Wars fans dont even know exist. Not only because it needs to be done, but also because Rogue One related content is guaranteed to sell way better than Scum Aces, considering FFG just put out a Scum epic ship, and we already know Epic sells very poorly, they literally can't afford to make more financial risks.

I'll say again - if there was going to be anything further that's Rogue One related, surely it would have been announced by now, unless release of it is so far off that they can't, in which case 'Scum Aces' is even more likely to be ahead of it.

Once again, you're the one making assumptions - do we know that Epic ships sell poorly, or that FFG was taking a financial risk by releasing one, or that they 'can't afford' another 'risk' like it? And if that's the case, how is it that Disney have *allowed* them to do it instead of a R1-themed X-Wing box, if, as you claim, they're so intent on having FFG release one?

The U-Wing and the Striker are the Rogue One products, and we have them already. If there is to be a box to fix the X-Wing that is tied to the film as well, we likely won't see it until much later (much like Heroes of the Resistance) and I maintain that the most likely candidate for the next 'Aces' type release is Scum, based on the evidence available.

Besides anything else, the film's focus is the characters, not the ships. None of the main characters went near an X-Wing, from what I recall - I'd argue it mainly appears a) as a nod to the OT, b) to make sense chronologically, and c) to look cool and familiar in the backdrop, while the main plot is focused on the ground operation.

A Rogue One pack can certainly follow on the heels of everything else. Heroes of the Resistance wasn't announced until May 2016, which if the good reader will recall, was five months after TFA had been released. I do believe that a Scum pack will be next though, with the Kihraxz and the Starviper.

"Rebel Veterans" with 1 T-65 X-wing repaint and 1Y-wing repaint and a heavy Rogue One tie-in will be glorious.

I don't care for E-wings or HWKs or any other ships of dubious lineage.

X & Y for the win!

That being said, I do think a "Scum Aces" pack would be cool and useful. I buy almost everything, so I'd be onboard.

I don't care who thinks that "Heroes of the Resistance" is "Rebel Veterans"....they are incorrect. That includes the developers.

Wrong era, wrong faction. TFA stuff is on its own island. The box logos are even different. Not classic Galactic Civil War material, even if it can (currently) be fielded by Rebels.

Last parallel argument: I'd bet the "classic good guys" (GCW era Rebels seen on movie screens) outsell everything else.

Original Falcon, T-65, Y-wing, A-wing, B-wing.

Next best seller guess: "classic bad guys": TIEs, Lambda.

For that reason I still expect X & Y "Rebel Veterans". FFG will score bonus points for referencing both "Rogue One" and Rogue Squadron material in the same pack (even though they are completely unrelated entities).

Instead of calling Heroes of the Resistance the "Rebel Veterans", why not make Commander Krennic's shuttle with a TIE Striker plus fix? Then you can make a "Rebel Veterans" with a Y-wing and X-wing plus lots of fixes.

Look, FFG can't ignore the release of Rogue One, or they face missing sales opportunities. More people are going to be out there looking to buy Rogue One related merchandise, which if released in expansion form, could lead to a heightened level of game purchases to acquire that expansion. What the market is NOT interested in is an expansion of 2 Legends ships that nobody has ever heard of, nor has even been in a movie. Blue Squadron was very prominently featured in Rogue One, which was a major, and very successful, theatrical release. The chances of seeing Scum Aces before getting a Blue Squadron pack is absolutely nil. Disney and LFL absolutely would not let them get away with it.

Not only that, but it's a GOLDEN, no, it's a PLATINUM opportunity to revisit and re-balance the X-Wing, one that FFG simply cannot afford to pass up, considering they may never get the chance again, as new movies probably won't feature the original T-65 X-Wing that prominently.

tl;dr more people actually give a **** about X-Wings and Y-Wings on the whole of the Star Wars fan base than the kihrhyzxzhzzazx and the space butterfly, and only one of those in the group were in Rogue One, one of the biggest movie events of the year.

FFG ISN'T ignoring the release of Rogue One. As has already been pointed out,t hat's why we have the U-wing and the Striker. They could wait another year to release a rogue one themed "fix" for the x-wing and people would still buy it just as well as if they did it right now. And you're dead wrong about the "market" not being interested in a scum aces. The fang is pretty much the only viable scum-only small-based ship right now. We NEED more fixes for our ships. I all but guarantee you we will see scum aces before another rebel aces pack.

In an interview at worlds it was said the the lesser loved ships you be getting attention soon the m3, kihrhyzxzhzzazxyzxzhzzazx, starviper and x wing were all mention so it will come but you my have to wait

Well, of that list, expect the X-Wing first. They have so much material to work with regarding the X-Wing it's not even funny.

They've had plenty of material for the x-wing for as long as the game has existed. They've waited this long, a little longer won't sell any less of a fix. Scum still need a fix more than the x-wing. Rebels at least have plenty of small ship options.

Considering that Disney pushed out a surprise core set on force friday, early released the U-Wing and TIE Striker specifically for Rogue One, just like they early released the T-70 and TIE/FO packs for the movie, i'd say that at the very least, new movie releases and the content within are PRIORITIES.

Also, considering, that FFG developers have specifically stated that they know that the X-Wing, M3-A, Kihraxz, and Starviper are underwhelming craft, that they have plans to fix them. Interviews that occurred POST HotR. The fact that FFG puts the X-Wing on the same level as the M3-A, Starviper, etc shows just how poor of a ship that even the developers consider it to be. Additionally, there are, in fact, not plenty of solid, viable pilots there, when only one is used by any amount, and guess what? It's Biggs! The one pilot whose used because the craft he's flying has absolutely no effect on his effectiveness. Wes is barely used because he's underwhelming and nobody is going to spend extra points for all that stuff when the T-65 is fundamentally overcosted as-is. M9-G8 is an incredibly niche astromech and no T-65 is going to spend 2 points on a mod when it could, instead, spend 0. But hey, if you'll lay down money that an X-Wing fix isn't out by the end of 2017 to give room for development time, i'll match you 1 for 1.

I used to fly lists with all kinds of T-65 pilots, including Wes, Wedge, even Tarn Mison, and you know why i stopped? Because compared to the successes i had flying T-70s(not just Poe, i mean Red Ace and Ello Asty as well), i wasn't getting anywhere with them.

Because they're bad.

So yeah, i do think we'll get repainted X-Wings from the biggest movie event of the year before we get Legends ships most Star Wars fans dont even know exist. Not only because it needs to be done, but also because Rogue One related content is guaranteed to sell way better than Scum Aces, considering FFG just put out a Scum epic ship, and we already know Epic sells very poorly, they literally can't afford to make more financial risks.

Who says DISNEY forced out the surprise core set and the early release of the u-wing, striker, t70 and FO? What makes all of hta tdisney as opposed to just...FFG knowing that it was the best time to release said products tied into the movies?

As for the interview post-HOTR that the x-wing needs a fix, the fact that scum has at least 3 majorly underwhelming craft to rebels 1 (that at least has 1 pilot that sees regular play as opposed to...0) is a good indication that scum'll probably be first.

We MIGHT get an x-wing fix by the end of 2017, but if it's in an aces pack it won't be until after we've already gotten a scum aces pack earlier in the year.

Pretty sure Alex Davy has also said in the past that epic ships sell quite well, and FFG tends to keep making things that sell well (when discussing the possibility of a scum epic in the past), which tends to imply that epic doesn't "sell very poorly" much less be a "financial risk".

I don't care who thinks that "Heroes of the Resistance" is "Rebel Veterans"....they are incorrect. That includes the developers.

You can think it's not an aces pack all you want, but saying the developers are wronga bout it won't get you another one any sooner...

Instead of calling Heroes of the Resistance the "Rebel Veterans", why not make Commander Krennic's shuttle with a TIE Striker plus fix? Then you can make a "Rebel Veterans" with a Y-wing and X-wing plus lots of fixes.

A little off topic, but really? You're calling for a fix for a ship that's barely been out a month in some areas of the world? With it's unique movement, the Striker requires practice to get the most from it, and there is no way a comprehensive judgement of it's capabilities and usefulness can be drawn at this stage.

I'd also argue that the Y-Wing really doesn't need any help, so I'd find a 2 X-Wing (one Blue Squadron, one Partisan) box more likely (and probably more useful, to give the X-Wing two distinct 'styles' it can build toward).

Krennic's shuttle seems enough of a non-entity to not appear in the game, but it's possible - it just seems unlikely after getting one shuttle-type craft in Wave 10, and already having one since far earlier.

Anyway, apologies for singling you out - the requirement for a ship to get a 'fix' seems to be becoming more and more wide and vague for some folk, and that irks me.

Mate, you've got to remember that for some people; a 'fix' is required for anything that doesn't fly/play like the ships they fly all the time. They will clamour for fixes for everything until they all fly exactly the same.

Wow, the assumptions and reaching here is astounding.

Which is interesting, given how you claimed to know exactly what 'the market wants' and exactly how internal business interactions go between FFG and it's 'superiors' to the point where you stated as fact that Disney would not allow FFG to release an Ace pack for ships they've identified as lacking, because they'd want to push out a Rogue One product when we already had the U-Wing and Striker - just because the X-Wing features in one battle scene of said film.

I'd say I'm not the one making assumptions here.

Considering that Disney pushed out a surprise core set on force friday, early released the U-Wing and TIE Striker specifically for Rogue One, just like they early released the T-70 and TIE/FO packs for the movie, i'd say that at the very least, new movie releases and the content within are PRIORITIES.

Of course - that's why we got the U-Wing and Striker ahead of the rest of Wave 10, the same as the T-70 and TIE/FO ahead of Wave 8 last year. But the release of the new core set last year does not necessarily translate to an equivalent third product for Rogue One - and if it did, do you not think FFG would have at least announced it by now, to drum up interest while the film is still in cinemas?

Also, considering, that FFG developers have specifically stated that they know that the X-Wing, M3-A, Kihraxz, and Starviper are underwhelming craft, that they have plans to fix them. Interviews that occurred POST HotR. The fact that FFG puts the X-Wing on the same level as the M3-A, Starviper, etc shows just how poor of a ship that even the developers consider it to be.

Yes, the X-Wing could use an 'Aces' type improvement in the same way as those ships, and FFG are aware of that. But given the way the 'Ace/Veterans/Heroes' boxes have been released thus far, the fact Scum have never had one while both the other factions have two, the fact that the last one released was for Rebels, and the fact that a Starviper/Kihraxz box makes so much sense thematically (the Black Sun connection), I'd say the next 'Ace' box being for Scum is the most likely outcome.

Additionally, there are, in fact, not plenty of solid, viable pilots there, when only one is used by any amount, and guess what? It's Biggs! The one pilot whose used because the craft he's flying has absolutely no effect on his effectiveness. Wes is barely used because he's underwhelming and nobody is going to spend extra points for all that stuff when the T-65 is fundamentally overcosted as-is. M9-G8 is an incredibly niche astromech and no T-65 is going to spend 2 points on a mod when it could, instead, spend 0.

Biggs is a blight on the game, because his ability is so potentially breakable that I would not be at all surprised if he was the reason the 'X-Wing Fix' has never happened as of yet - he limits what FFG can do with the ship. From a personal standpoint, I hate him - he feels poorly designed given that so many Rebel lists rely on him as a crutch, and at best he's a woefully unimaginative and dull inclusion in a list. I would be quite happy if they gave him a new pilot card and changed that ability.

Wes doesn't need to spend points for 'all that stuff', and the three cards I listed were just examples (certainly there's still design room for more new Astromech and Elite upgrades that the X-Wing can use) - Just giving him Veteran Instincts, an R2 droid and Integrated Astromech is a perfectly sufficient 31pts with a very potent ability in the current environment (Defenders, Dengar/Manaroo, Imperial pocket Aces) that occurs before most ships will have a chance to deny it. If the rest of the list is dangerous enough, Wes will either be ignored in favour of something else, in which case he can wreak havoc, or he will be targeted anyway but the other ships will do lasting damage in the time it takes (5HP + Integrated is still a fair bit to get through).

As for Vectored Thrusters, I'll admit it's risky, but have you ever actually tried it? It's possible to fly three PS10 X-Wings all with barrel roll, which if nothing else can be hugely unexpected by most players; both facing X-Wings and facing an entirely PS10 list. If Wes and Wedge are able to concentrate fire on something, it'll be unhappy no matter what it is.

So yeah, i do think we'll get repainted X-Wings from the biggest movie event of the year before we get Legends ships most Star Wars fans dont even know exist. Not only because it needs to be done, but also because Rogue One related content is guaranteed to sell way better than Scum Aces, considering FFG just put out a Scum epic ship, and we already know Epic sells very poorly, they literally can't afford to make more financial risks.

I'll say again - if there was going to be anything further that's Rogue One related, surely it would have been announced by now, unless release of it is so far off that they can't, in which case 'Scum Aces' is even more likely to be ahead of it.

Once again, you're the one making assumptions - do we know that Epic ships sell poorly, or that FFG was taking a financial risk by releasing one, or that they 'can't afford' another 'risk' like it? And if that's the case, how is it that Disney have *allowed* them to do it instead of a R1-themed X-Wing box, if, as you claim, they're so intent on having FFG release one?

The U-Wing and the Striker are the Rogue One products, and we have them already. If there is to be a box to fix the X-Wing that is tied to the film as well, we likely won't see it until much later (much like Heroes of the Resistance) and I maintain that the most likely candidate for the next 'Aces' type release is Scum, based on the evidence available.

Besides anything else, the film's focus is the characters, not the ships. None of the main characters went near an X-Wing, from what I recall - I'd argue it mainly appears a) as a nod to the OT, b) to make sense chronologically, and c) to look cool and familiar in the backdrop, while the main plot is focused on the ground operation.

Your ignorance makes me stupendously angry. Bravo, as i thought i was over that kind of thing.

I don't work off ASSUMPTIONS, i work off of educated predictions based on stuff that has already happened. Given that we've seen Disney take at least some hand in releases related to new Star Wars content, it's a relatively safe bet to assume they'll keep doing that. It's far more likely and supported in fact than assuming that all of a sudden, Disney will just up and leave FFG to their devices.

As far as the "fairness" of a Scum Aces release goes, you're choosing to ignore the most important bit of data; The fact that a brand new Star Wars movie has just released, and for the next year, the time is NOW for an X-Wing Aces pack to be branded for Rogue One. If they wait, they lose this opportunity. FFG can make a Scum Aces pack whenever, but the same is not true of a Rogue One pack. If they wait until 2018 to release an X-Wing Aces pack, they can't brand it as Rogue One successfully anymore, as by that time Episode VIII will have already released. Scum can happen whenever there is free time on the release schedule, Rogue Veterans cannot.

I also particularly like how you trash Biggs, without considering the deep meta information surrounding him, notably, that he's the only thing that makes certain Rebel ships viable at all, such as ARC-170s. During the disaster that was Wave 8 meta, Biggs was the only thing guaranteeing Rebels even the tiny table time that they got, and even now, Biggs is used heavily because there is no other choice. Wes sucks, because for the same 31 points, i could, instead, find 1 more point and take Braylen w/ R3-A2 and Gunner, which is pretty much objectively a superior ship in numerous ways. Exceedingly better mobility, more durable, infinitely better offensive capabilities from the title and Gunner), and more poignant effect on the battlefield. There is no reason to take a T-65 that isn't Biggs for any reason, because there are so many more superior, reliable options available. The only time i've seen Wes used well, is.... with Biggs. See, if ships like the ARC-170 and X-Wing were just better, nobody would spend the 26 points on Biggs. Biggs makes ships viable, he doesn't break them, because Biggs is 26 points you can't put into ships that kill better than him. Biggs is a byproduct of all the Rebel ships that simply can't cut it competitively.

As for your triple PS10 X-Wing list, it's not the first time i've heard of it. But it is the first time it's been suggested to me as a "strong" competitive option. Which it's not. Mainly because PS10 doesnt mean anything anymore, and also because i could step some pilots down a few notches in pilot skill and get 3 T-70 pilots, which considering the T-70 is an objectively superior ship in most metrics, is probably a better idea. In fact, said T-70 list did me very, very well back in the day, whereas a Dutch/Wes/Poe list disappointed me at every turn. Opponents would always kill Poe and Dutch first, and Wes would be absolutely hapless in endgame because what can a lone T-65 do? Nothing! Wes would always die without doing basically anything, because taking away just one token per attack ultimately doesnt do much when you're faced with 3 Defenders with a focus and an evade + 3 green dice, and especially nothing when it's just him left. Wes has PERSONALLY been a disappointment all around because while his ability is by no means bad, it's not nearly enough to overcome just how bad of a chassis the X-Wing is to have.

Heroes of the Resistance was announced on May 4th, 2016, and was the first thing announced after Wave 8. It's currently January 13th. I fail to see how it is "Too late".

Nah, i think we've got plenty of buffer room for announcements.

By your arguments Heroes of the Resistance would have been the first thing we got last year. But it wasn't. We got imperial veterans first, which has 2 ships that weren't in TFA, one of which wasn't even canon at the time. No reason they cant do the same thing this year and give us scum aces first (because they ARE needed more than an xwing fix is) and still give us a rogue one themed xwing fix later in the year

This comment is full of tears, fears, and sarcasm...

Rebel Vets = Sabine's Tie Advanced (Painted Plum Crazy Purple) and Sabine's Tie Interceptor (Painted Ocean Blue)... with all Sabine Pilot Cards, and 2 new Sabine Crew Cards (Painted Hot Pink and Neon Green)... Because if I wanted to play with Imp ships I wouldn't play as Imps... and because Sabine is the coolest and Mandalorians have jet packs... The Rocketeer had a jet pack... that was the sarcasm part, note all the dots... lots of dots...

It makes me tear up a little bit to think Hero's was the Vet's pack, that has been my fear for some time now, I love flying E-wings but am very worried we will never see anything to make them see more table time, Corran being the obvious exception and my go to ship.

I pray to the FFG gods that they give us another E-wing in some expansion soon, because on that day I will be dancing and counting the days until it is released like its Christmas.

And you're dead wrong about the "market" not being interested in a scum aces. The fang is pretty much the only viable scum-only small-based ship right now.

These sentences are not related. "The market" is the broader customer base. Scum ships needing fixes have nothing to do with what the market would, or would not demand. A specific market segment having an interest in one thing is not a mandate for that thing's existence if it would be in place of something that a larger, or multiple, segments would have interest in.