tfw you couldnt protect this smile

The name of the game is not HWK-290 the miniatures game.

Rebel Veterans will bring back the glory of its namesake.

Rebel Veterans will be Blue Squadron with this guy:

And you're dead wrong about the "market" not being interested in a scum aces. The fang is pretty much the only viable scum-only small-based ship right now.

These sentences are not related. "The market" is the broader customer base. Scum ships needing fixes have nothing to do with what the market would, or would not demand. A specific market segment having an interest in one thing is not a mandate for that thing's existence if it would be in place of something that a larger, or multiple, segments would have interest in.

The only "market" that truly matters for an x-wing fix vs a scum aces pack is current x-wing players. A rogue one x-wing pack is probalby not going to convince a lot of people to pick up x-wing that odn't already play, or wouldn't anyway since it already HAS the x-wing in game. And lots of x-wing players want a scum fix. Lots also want an x-wing fix too. But "the market" of x-wing players has plenty of people interested in a scum aces pack.

Can someone please explain to me, in small words for I am easily distracted, why there's so much dog-leg-humping love for the Partisan X-Wing? How much screen time did one actually get in R1?

Less than the Quadjumper got in Episode 7?

People on these boards were losing their collective **** over that ship making it into the game.

Can someone please explain to me, in small words for I am easily distracted, why there's so much dog-leg-humping love for the Partisan X-Wing? How much screen time did one actually get in R1?

Less than the Quadjumper got in Episode 7?

People on these boards were losing their collective **** over that ship making it into the game.

Well they clearly didn't see the fantastic potential of a space tow-boat. Toot Toot!

A rogue one x-wing pack is probalby not going to convince a lot of people to pick up x-wing that odn't already play, or wouldn't anyway since it already HAS the x-wing in game.

Look how many upgradeless Imperial Raiders can be bought on Ebay for reasonably cheap since they get parted out for the X1 and ATC upgrades. And that's just so people can upgrade a ship that's rarely played. Doesn't even touch the number of stripped out K-Wings, StarVipers, and Punishers, lol. Pack 4 copies of a title that fixes/upgrades the X-Wing to be more competitive with later-wave ships? I'm guessing it will do pretty a'ight.

A rogue one x-wing pack is probalby not going to convince a lot of people to pick up x-wing that odn't already play, or wouldn't anyway since it already HAS the x-wing in game.

This seems to be a pretty presumptive statement about a tie-in product for a movie currently on the doorstep of a billion dollars in worldwide box office.

Look how many upgradeless Imperial Raiders can be bought on Ebay for reasonably cheap since they get parted out for the X1 and ATC upgrades. And that's just so people can upgrade a ship that's rarely played. Doesn't even touch the number of stripped out K-Wings, StarVipers, and Punishers, lol. Pack 4 copies of a title that fixes/upgrades the X-Wing to be more competitive with later-wave ships? I'm guessing it will do pretty a'ight.

Given that no rogue one tie-in for the x-wing has even been announced yet, it'd be MONTHS before it would drop. If one were to be released it won't be until WELL after the point that it could take advantage of the hype for a new movie to sell a bunch. And I still doubt an aces pack would have nearly the same kind of draw as the new Core Set did for TFA with brand new ships from that movie. We already GOT the new ships from Rogue One, and we already have the x-wing and tie fighter in the old core set AND separate expansions. Even have some of the pilots.

As for the raider and the Advanced, Vader saw play back in the early days from my understanding, and saw quite a bit of play for a while after the raider released until he got pushe dout again.

Never said an x-wing fix wouldn't sell. It'd sell great among "existing" x-wing players. I just said I don't think it'd bring in a bunhc of new players just because it's connected to rogue one. A scum aces pack would ALSO sell great among existing x-wing players.

E and X would be great, but I'm not against an HWK. Save that for another time though.

Look, FFG can't ignore the release of Rogue One, or they face missing sales opportunities. More people are going to be out there looking to buy Rogue One related merchandise, which if released in expansion form, could lead to a heightened level of game purchases to acquire that expansion. What the market is NOT interested in is an expansion of 2 Legends ships that nobody has ever heard of, nor has even been in a movie. Blue Squadron was very prominently featured in Rogue One, which was a major, and very successful, theatrical release. The chances of seeing Scum Aces before getting a Blue Squadron pack is absolutely nil. Disney and LFL absolutely would not let them get away with it.

Not only that, but it's a GOLDEN, no, it's a PLATINUM opportunity to revisit and re-balance the X-Wing, one that FFG simply cannot afford to pass up, considering they may never get the chance again, as new movies probably won't feature the original T-65 X-Wing that prominently.

tl;dr more people actually give a **** about X-Wings and Y-Wings on the whole of the Star Wars fan base than the kihrhyzxzhzzazx and the space butterfly, and only one of those in the group were in Rogue One, one of the biggest movie events of the year.

This. All of this.

There is no better time to improve the T-65. New canon paint jobs are available. New canon pilots are available. A lot of people would be eager for X-wing upgrades and new pilots, and capitalizing on the Rogue One tie-in would be the icing on the cake. It doesn't matter if they call it Rebel Veterans or the Rogue One Pack or whatever.

I'd be happy with 1 Blue Squadron X-wing and 1 repaint Y-wing, or 1 Blue Squadron X-wing and 1 Partisan X-wing. I actually really DON'T care how much or how little screentime the Partisan X-wing had in the movie. I'm betting it had more time before final edits to the film. But even if it didn't, the paint job is COOL. But more important than screentime is that including a Partisan X-wing gives them ample excuse to add in Partisan pilots in addition to Blue Squadron pilots, and lots of new pilots to choose from would make me very, very happy.

I didn't spend my childhood building K-wings out of Legos or drawing Gunboats in my margins on my homework. I was drawing and building X-wings. So yeah I'd love for the classic X-wings to get some extra love and attention. And I want those Blue Squadron X-wing pilots in the game!

I don't think this reason is enough. Scum aces will come first. And rebel y-wing and z-95 dont benefit from most wanted at all.

Untrue BTL-A4 title is good.

Look, FFG can't ignore the release of Rogue One, or they face missing sales opportunities. More people are going to be out there looking to buy Rogue One related merchandise, which if released in expansion form, could lead to a heightened level of game purchases to acquire that expansion. What the market is NOT interested in is an expansion of 2 Legends ships that nobody has ever heard of, nor has even been in a movie. Blue Squadron was very prominently featured in Rogue One, which was a major, and very successful, theatrical release. The chances of seeing Scum Aces before getting a Blue Squadron pack is absolutely nil. Disney and LFL absolutely would not let them get away with it.

Not only that, but it's a GOLDEN, no, it's a PLATINUM opportunity to revisit and re-balance the X-Wing, one that FFG simply cannot afford to pass up, considering they may never get the chance again, as new movies probably won't feature the original T-65 X-Wing that prominently.

tl;dr more people actually give a **** about X-Wings and Y-Wings on the whole of the Star Wars fan base than the kihrhyzxzhzzazx and the space butterfly, and only one of those in the group were in Rogue One, one of the biggest movie events of the year.

This. All of this.

There is no better time to improve the T-65. New canon paint jobs are available. New canon pilots are available. A lot of people would be eager for X-wing upgrades and new pilots, and capitalizing on the Rogue One tie-in would be the icing on the cake. It doesn't matter if they call it Rebel Veterans or the Rogue One Pack or whatever.

I'd be happy with 1 Blue Squadron X-wing and 1 repaint Y-wing, or 1 Blue Squadron X-wing and 1 Partisan X-wing. I actually really DON'T care how much or how little screentime the Partisan X-wing had in the movie. I'm betting it had more time before final edits to the film. But even if it didn't, the paint job is COOL. But more important than screentime is that including a Partisan X-wing gives them ample excuse to add in Partisan pilots in addition to Blue Squadron pilots, and lots of new pilots to choose from would make me very, very happy.

I didn't spend my childhood building K-wings out of Legos or drawing Gunboats in my margins on my homework. I was drawing and building X-wings. So yeah I'd love for the classic X-wings to get some extra love and attention. And I want those Blue Squadron X-wing pilots in the game!

this but y wings also. i loved the y wing as a kid, and seing them kick ass in the movie was a dream come true, so im hoping they get some ordnance prowess in whatever pack gets made (even if it doesnt include a Y, a rebel-only torp option or something would be sick)

edit: i mean they did have a y wing pilot in blue squadron iirc so if it was just a blue squadron pack with a t65 and a y wing in blue squadron colors, merrick etc i would go nuts. but i dont think that will happen since they were x/u on screen

Honestly, mathematically speaking - it'd be very easy for FFG to do the work on a Rebel Veterans with the same kind of spread as Imperial Veterans

Two copies of "Blue Squadron Veteran" and "Gold Squadron Veteran", give X and Y a generic with an EPT, reprint red and gold leaders with EPTs (PS9 Poe, and S&V Sabine with no EPT as precedent), add in two new PS8 pilots with EPTs (One of them is General Merrick, duh). Two copies each of the Y-Wing bonuses from Most Wanted so rebel players don't have to buy a big scum kit, two copies of the title or whatever to "fix" the T-65. At least one copy Ion torpedoes because despite the X-Wing on that card, Rebels don't have that yet. Include a new astromech which might assist other astro-slot stuff with rebels or is just 0-1 point and isn't awful. Pick your favorite bomb, turret and EPT. If the X-Wing fix is the system type thing, include a system. Bam, done.

Now, that said - did FFG know enough about Rogue One to know how ideal the timing on this would be, or that these cards would be ideal? No clue. If they didn't know this sort of stuff would click together until a month ago, we may be waiting a while - but we waited a while for Heroes to hit from TFA so it's also not unprecedented.

Your ignorance makes me stupendously angry. Bravo, as i thought i was over that kind of thing.

Funny that - yours just disappoints me.

I don't work off ASSUMPTIONS, i work off of educated predictions based on stuff that has already happened. Given that we've seen Disney take at least some hand in releases related to new Star Wars content, it's a relatively safe bet to assume they'll keep doing that. It's far more likely and supported in fact than assuming that all of a sudden, Disney will just up and leave FFG to their devices.

I never suggested Disney would 'just up and leave', as you put it, but once again you seem to overestimate how much interference they really undertake and insist they have an 'agenda' to promote new ships at the expense of old ones. What exactly are you basing this claim on? So far you act as though you have a great deal of insider knowledge, perhaps you could substantiate some of it?

I'e never debated that Disney is involved with what gets released, but I sincerely doubt those responsible meddle to the degree where FFG aren't *allowed* (your term again) to release EU ships over newer material.

Interesting to note that your assumptions are 'educated predictions based on stuff that has already happened', but when I do the same (pointing out the release pattern of Ace boxes, the numbers of Ace boxes per faction and the thematic sense of pairing the Starviper and Kihraxz) it's 'ignorance'.

As far as the "fairness" of a Scum Aces release goes, you're choosing to ignore the most important bit of data; The fact that a brand new Star Wars movie has just released, and for the next year, the time is NOW for an X-Wing Aces pack to be branded for Rogue One. If they wait, they lose this opportunity. FFG can make a Scum Aces pack whenever, but the same is not true of a Rogue One pack. If they wait until 2018 to release an X-Wing Aces pack, they can't brand it as Rogue One successfully anymore, as by that time Episode VIII will have already released. Scum can happen whenever there is free time on the release schedule, Rogue Veterans cannot.

I hardly think they lose anything. Consider how long after the film we got HotR, and that it remains without the same 'Force Awakens' branding that the T-70, TIE/FO and 2nd Core set had, yet I'd be confident in saying it sold well at least partly on recognition of the ships in the box from the film, despite the fact that trailers and information for Rogue One had obviously begun surfacing by then.

So, in fact, there is no reason to 'rush' any X-Wing Aces box out, and no reason to believe that there's no further time on the release schedule for it than over 12 months from now, post Episode VIII. Once again you are presenting a lot of statements as fact without backing them up with anything.

I also particularly like how you trash Biggs, without considering the deep meta information surrounding him, notably, that he's the only thing that makes certain Rebel ships viable at all, such as ARC-170s. During the disaster that was Wave 8 meta, Biggs was the only thing guaranteeing Rebels even the tiny table time that they got, and even now, Biggs is used heavily because there is no other choice.

Absolute rot. The ARC-170 does just fine without that crutch (and did even before the end of the Jumpmaster's reign of terror), and Biggs is far from an auto-include in Rebel lists, nor has he ever been. Even a cursory glance at recent tournament results show you that there are far more Rebel lists that don't include him than those that do, and plenty of those lists include these ships you deign as completely non-viable without him (like the ARC-170, for example).

Wes sucks, because for the same 31 points, i could, instead, find 1 more point and take Braylen w/ R3-A2 and Gunner, which is pretty much objectively a superior ship in numerous ways. Exceedingly better mobility, more durable, infinitely better offensive capabilities from the title and Gunner), and more poignant effect on the battlefield. There is no reason to take a T-65 that isn't Biggs for any reason, because there are so many more superior, reliable options available. The only time i've seen Wes used well, is.... with Biggs. See, if ships like the ARC-170 and X-Wing were just better, nobody would spend the 26 points on Biggs. Biggs makes ships viable, he doesn't break them, because Biggs is 26 points you can't put into ships that kill better than him. Biggs is a byproduct of all the Rebel ships that simply can't cut it competitively.

Sure, you could. But Wes and Braylen are different pieces that are going to affect the game in different ways, so I'm not certain a direct comparison like that is a valid one. Or perhaps one could field both Braylen and Wes?

Your experiences (having only seen Wes used once) are no more valid than mine (having seen Wes used many times), and he is proven to be effective in mine - so nothing objective can be said either way.

The fact that you think the ARC-170 (one of the best ships available to Rebels right now) needs to 'just be better', combined with your comments earlier, suggests that you do not have such an all-encompassing knowledge of the game as you think you do.

As for your triple PS10 X-Wing list, it's not the first time i've heard of it. But it is the first time it's been suggested to me as a "strong" competitive option.

Actually, I merely suggested it could, at least, be surprising for many opponents who won't be used to facing X-Wings or dealing with an entirely PS10 squad. I hardly claimed it was going to light tournaments on fire, and indeed it's unlikely to because yes, the T-65 does need something to make it a little better. It's merely an example of what you can currently do with them that might meet some success - it's little different from players (such as myself) who persisted with the pre-Veterans Defender.

Mainly because PS10 doesnt mean anything anymore,

What are you basing this on? There is still plenty of PS9 in the game (VI Ketsu, VI Bossk, Fenn Rau, VI Backdraft, Quickdraw, etc.) and a lot of those ships rely on it to protect them - i.e. allow them to effectively arc dodge. An entire list that can just ignore that? That's not nothing.

Wes would always die without doing basically anything, because taking away just one token per attack ultimately doesnt do much when you're faced with 3 Defenders with a focus and an evade + 3 green dice, and especially nothing when it's just him left.

Not everything is an X/7 Defender, and Wes is actually one of the tools that can be used effectively against them since they rely so heavily on tokens. As for Wes in the endgame, no, it isn't the ideal choice for an endgame ship, but PS10 helps him again here since he'll move after and shoot before just about anything, and will consistently rob them of dice modification. I have an entirely anecdotal (so worth nothing objectively speaking) experience of exactly this (with Rexler Brath as my own last ship, funnily enough), where although I did eventually win, I skirted dangerously close to failing to do so through no fault of my piloting but simply through the ability of my opponent and the strengths Wes does possess.

Regardless, whatever the weaknesses of the X-Wing are (since again, it does need something to improve it), the need for an 'Aces' box for them that ties in with Rogue One is not so urgent that it has to be next in line for release (and as of the C-ROC, it isn't), nor will the time since the films' release be too important for it to wait (a precedent shown by HotR), and the idea that Disney are an 'evil puppetmaster' forcing FFG to focus only on new material at the expense of ships that need work is childish. Disney as a corporate entity are clever enough to know that what FFG is doing is working, and so long as they meet whatever terms are involved in their agreement (I don't claim to know the details) I expect FFG has a lot of freedom in what they do so long as that remains the case - it seems all Disney wanted for Rogue One was the U-Wing and the Striker to come out for the film, the same way the T-70 and TIE/FO did last year. You also failed to address why Disney would allow such a 'financial risk' as the C-ROC instead of a R1-themed X-Wing box as the next release if the timing was so important.

Nor is there any reason to ignore the release pattern for the 'Ace' type sets, the fact that the most recent one of that type was for Rebels, the fact that Scum have never had one of that type, the fact that the M3-A (one of the four ships identified as lacking) has been 'fixed' already, or the fact that the thematic tie between the two remaining Scum ships is so obvious. So, 'educated predictions based on stuff that has already happened' lead to a conclusion of a Scum Aces box being the next product of that type. Based on the precedent set by HotR, if there is indeed a Rogue One X-Wing set lined up for Rebels, I expect we'll see it further down the line, with a release sometime before Episode VIII.

Your rude, condescending and aggressive tone is both entirely uncalled for and not remotely appreciated. While you are welcome to your opinions, you cannot present them as facts and claim anything else is 'ignorance', and your sweeping, misinformed statements about the game at large do not lend those opinions much credence.

I've never seen so many walls of text that I just scrolled right past.

Just my opinion man, but StarViper and Kihraxz are way more important and first in line for an aces pack.

T-65 and T-70 X-wings both need help next. This game is called X-wing. Just give them 4-attack

Even more important than help for these ships is help for 2-attack ships. Bring back swarms!

E-wing, HWK, and Punisher are all irredeemable and should never get revisited with any upgrades.

By your arguments Heroes of the Resistance would have been the first thing we got last year. But it wasn't. We got imperial veterans first, which has 2 ships that weren't in TFA, one of which wasn't even canon at the time. No reason they cant do the same thing this year and give us scum aces first (because they ARE needed more than an xwing fix is) and still give us a rogue one themed xwing fix later in the year

...Because that was announced first. In fact, it was announced December 14th, 2015, before Ep. VII even pre-released. Following that logic, we should have gotten a Scum Aces announcement prior to Rogue One, but we did not.

By your arguments Heroes of the Resistance would have been the first thing we got last year. But it wasn't. We got imperial veterans first, which has 2 ships that weren't in TFA, one of which wasn't even canon at the time. No reason they cant do the same thing this year and give us scum aces first (because they ARE needed more than an xwing fix is) and still give us a rogue one themed xwing fix later in the year

...Because that was announced first. In fact, it was announced December 14th, 2015, before Ep. VII even pre-released. Following that logic, we should have gotten a Scum Aces announcement prior to Rogue One, but we did not.

They knew TFA was coming. They knew it had T70s and the falcon. They could easily have been working on it and announced it alongside the movie if capitalizing on the new movie was so important (so a couple days after Imperial Vets was announced). They didn't, they still did imperial vets first.

Heroes of the Resistance WAS 'Rebel Veterans' - it amazes me that people still don't seem to put that together.

Any future Aces-type pack for the Rebels is likely to contain the E-Wing (to make pilots other than Corran viable without accidentally making him overpowered) over the Y-Wing (which really doesn't need any help at present), and since HotR was the most recent Ace pack I would not expect to see another for the Rebels for quite some time yet.

People put it together alright, but people are unhappy with it. People want a T65 fix, they want Merrick and the Blue Squadron X Wings, and they want it now, while the Rogue One hype is still coursing through their veins. FFG are usually pretty savvy about this stuff, I can't believe they screwed the pooch so badly by not having a Blue Squadron X Wing expansion ready to go on the same week Rogue One was released!

Heroes of the Resistance WAS 'Rebel Veterans' - it amazes me that people still don't seem to put that together.

Any future Aces-type pack for the Rebels is likely to contain the E-Wing (to make pilots other than Corran viable without accidentally making him overpowered) over the Y-Wing (which really doesn't need any help at present), and since HotR was the most recent Ace pack I would not expect to see another for the Rebels for quite some time yet.

People put it together alright, but people are unhappy with it. People want a T65 fix, they want Merrick and the Blue Squadron X Wings, and they want it now, while the Rogue One hype is still coursing through their veins. FFG are usually pretty savvy about this stuff, I can't believe they screwed the pooch so badly by not having a Blue Squadron X Wing expansion ready to go on the same week Rogue One was released!

We know they had more info than for TFA, but they may not have had the direct info about Merrick and blue squadron

So, where can I see this interview at world's where they talk about the X-Wing, Star Viper, et all?

As for the mythical 'X-Wing Fix', I'd lay money that it's never coming, and I think people need to start accepting that. Cards keep getting added to the game that the X-Wing can make good use of (Integrated Astromech, M9-G8, Vectored Thrusters, to name but three) and there are plenty of solid, viable pilots there. The problem is that people have just accepted 'the X-Wing is bad' and so never bother to even try it.

What is funny about this is that the starviper is in a similar position, just with fewer pilots. We got Guri, the rest is either terribile or semi-terrible (Xizor), but Wave 8 upgrades really made Guri useable even in competitive settings. X-Wings have even more useful ships, though thanks for Imperial Veterans they are certainly fallen behind the Curve and they have yet to see their magical mindlink upgrade card which brings them back to the current power curve. Doesn't help them either that IA is blocking their mod slot quite often, vector thrusters are nice on other ships, but problematic on X-Wings.