Is card number #002 in Spirit of Rebellion actually Dengar?

By ketemycos, in Star Wars: Destiny

Is it? To me it looks like an orange shoulderpad .

Maybe I'm just brainshattered today

Also even if it's not the same art, it doesn't confirm anything. Could be an upgrade die. Could be a Rare Event (they haven't made these yet, but why not?).

It's the same art and die.

It's not a shoulder pad, it's muzzle flash.

Edited by Don_Silvarro

So we're getting obi-wan as a character then? And r2 as a support

It would seem to be that way. Though I despise the fact Old Ben has at least two damage sides, the same way I despise him being a kickass brawler in Imperial Assault and how apparently he'll be portrayed in Rebels this season. The Alec Guiness Obi-Wan was a character that "used the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack" and a character that solved his problems with stoic wisdom and guile, not a character that went around looking cool while stabbing people with a laser sword and doing backflips under blaster fire. Turning him into a brawler is a massive disservice to the character.

Edited by Don_Silvarro

It would seem to be that way. Though I despise the fact Old Ben has at least two damage sides, the same way I despise him being a kickass brawler in Imperial Assault and how apparently he'll be portrayed in Rebels this season. The Alec Guiness Obi-Wan was a character that "used the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack" and a character that solved his problems with stoic wisdom and guile, not a character that went around looking cool while stabbing people with a laser sword and doing backflips under blaster fire. Turning him into a brawler is a massive disservice to the character.

The 2(?) side that is covered by the death trooper die looks like 2(focus) to me, and the top of his die in the image has a resource

Might as well be a Focus, you're right. I hope it indeed is.

If that 2 is a focus, then Obi-Wan's die will be pretty epic. The order is Ranged damage, Melee damage, Focus, Disrupt, Discard, Shield, Resource then Special. If I am not mistaken, the orientation of the die puts the 2 Focus on the fourth side, implying sides 2 and 3 are some combination of Melee and Focus.

If he follows Jyn's lead, he could be 1M, 2M, 1F, 2F, 1 Box, blank. And expensive, because dang.

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It would seem to be that way. Though I despise the fact Old Ben has at least two damage sides, the same way I despise him being a kickass brawler in Imperial Assault and how apparently he'll be portrayed in Rebels this season. The Alec Guiness Obi-Wan was a character that "used the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack" and a character that solved his problems with stoic wisdom and guile, not a character that went around looking cool while stabbing people with a laser sword and doing backflips under blaster fire. Turning him into a brawler is a massive disservice to the character.

Yes, because the Obi Wan I know from Episode 4, would Never swing his lightsaber at Darth Vader, or chop off Ponda Bobba's Arm in a Bar fight.

It would seem to be that way. Though I despise the fact Old Ben has at least two damage sides, the same way I despise him being a kickass brawler in Imperial Assault and how apparently he'll be portrayed in Rebels this season. The Alec Guiness Obi-Wan was a character that "used the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack" and a character that solved his problems with stoic wisdom and guile, not a character that went around looking cool while stabbing people with a laser sword and doing backflips under blaster fire. Turning him into a brawler is a massive disservice to the character.

Yes, because the Obi Wan I know from Episode 4, would Never swing his lightsaber at Darth Vader, or chop off Ponda Bobba's Arm in a Bar fight.

I'd say meeting up with your ex-apprentice in a tight hallway, the one that you know for a fact wants you dead, cannot be reasoned with and is immune to all your tricks and guile is the one instance in which anyone would come to the natural conclusion that a physical confrontation is unavoidable. Besides, notice how he doesn't even want to or try to actually beat Vader. He only engages in the duel because he realizes there is no other way to delay Vader and offer Luke et al the time they need to escape. Once he knows they're safe, he literally chooses to die rather than continue fighting.

As for the cantina thing, that scene always baffled me. Having a guy that sits in a bar and talks to you rudely get punished by dismemberment seems pretty extreme for anyone, let alone a guy who's supposed to be the chief role model father-figure and a paragon of truth and justice.

Not to mention the fact that pulling an exotic weapon, one that's associated with a very specific brotherhood of individuals with supernatural powers that's being hunted down by the current regime with extreme prejudice, in public in broad daylight, when you're the very last one of that order and have been making a point of living in hiding in a self-imposed exile in the literal middle of the desert for almost two decades, cannot be called anything other than the act of a complete moron.

The entire thing is frankly surreal and discordant with everything the viewer is shown and told about the Jedi in general and Obi-Wan specifically. If I could change just one thing about any Star Wars movie, it would be to take this sequence out.

Edited by Don_Silvarro

The obi-wan we see in episode 4 is an old man who's spent decades living as a hermit on tatooine with plenty of time to think about things. That doesn't mean he was ALWAYS the same way. I see no reason that alec's obi-wan and mcgreggor's can't both exist and make sense.

The obi-wan we see in episode 4 is an old man who's spent decades living as a hermit on tatooine with plenty of time to think about things. That doesn't mean he was ALWAYS the same way. I see no reason that alec's obi-wan and mcgreggor's can't both exist and make sense.

I agree, but that's not really the point. I'm not saying young Kenobi being belligerent doesn't make sense because old Kenobi isn't belligerent. I'm saying that portraying old Kenobi with the belligerence of young Kenobi in just that one specific and disconnected scene (and in gaming media) doesn't make sense.

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Does Dr. Aphra fit? I think we'll see her eventually... wait she'd be yellow nvm.

It will probably be DEATH STAR. Fits the Rogue One theme. ;) It'll have a huge 20 sided die. :D

I like the new (and canon) Marvel Star Wars comics that focus on Ben Kenobi in the years just before ANH. It comes to terms with him being a Jedi in hiding and not fully able to detach himself from the injustices around him, this he still fights when he needs to.

After searching wookiepedia for like hours i found these two guys who would fit the alphabetic order:

Dedram: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Derdram

and

Desanne: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Desanne

both star in Episode V but wookiepedia lists them as Legends charakter probably because they are not named in the movie itself.

Out of these two i did not found any named charakter in all the movies and tv shows. Maybe we get a character from a book or comic or its actualy a second non unique charakter.

On a sidenote: the construction numbers of Vulture Droids start with the letter D.

Destroyer Droid - 12 cost, an ability that generates shields automatically or something. The only problem with that guess is that there haven't been multiple non-unique characters for any color as of yet.

Destroyer Droid - 12 cost, an ability that generates shields automatically or something. The only problem with that guess is that there haven't been multiple non-unique characters for any color as of yet.

"Destroyer droid P-59" or "Destroyer droid P-60"? ;)

Director Isard has been mentioned as a possibility.

I thought Lukas implied in one of the interviews that we won't be getting Legends characters in the foreseeable future.

Turns out Armand Isard (ysanne's father) was canonized in the Tarkin novel (according to wookiepedia. Haven't read it yet)

It would seem to be that way. Though I despise the fact Old Ben has at least two damage sides, the same way I despise him being a kickass brawler in Imperial Assault and how apparently he'll be portrayed in Rebels this season. The Alec Guiness Obi-Wan was a character that "used the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack" and a character that solved his problems with stoic wisdom and guile, not a character that went around looking cool while stabbing people with a laser sword and doing backflips under blaster fire. Turning him into a brawler is a massive disservice to the character.

Yes, because the Obi Wan I know from Episode 4, would Never swing his lightsaber at Darth Vader, or chop off Ponda Bobba's Arm in a Bar fight.

I'd say meeting up with your ex-apprentice in a tight hallway, the one that you know for a fact wants you dead, cannot be reasoned with and is immune to all your tricks and guile is the one instance in which anyone would come to the natural conclusion that a physical confrontation is unavoidable. Besides, notice how he doesn't even want to or try to actually beat Vader. He only engages in the duel because he realizes there is no other way to delay Vader and offer Luke et al the time they need to escape. Once he knows they're safe, he literally chooses to die rather than continue fighting.

As for the cantina thing, that scene always baffled me. Having a guy that sits in a bar and talks to you rudely get punished by dismemberment seems pretty extreme for anyone, let alone a guy who's supposed to be the chief role model father-figure and a paragon of truth and justice.

Not to mention the fact that pulling an exotic weapon, one that's associated with a very specific brotherhood of individuals with supernatural powers that's being hunted down by the current regime with extreme prejudice, in public in broad daylight, when you're the very last one of that order and have been making a point of living in hiding in a self-imposed exile in the literal middle of the desert for almost two decades, cannot be called anything other than the act of a complete moron.

The entire thing is frankly surreal and discordant with everything the viewer is shown and told about the Jedi in general and Obi-Wan specifically. If I could change just one thing about any Star Wars movie, it would be to take this sequence out.

Interesting. I disagree with you, but respect your views here...

I think the cantina is a fine place to pull out the lightsaber, because these people are ALL criminals so it's not like ANYONE there wants to have a talk with the Empire about what they saw in the Cantina - "Snitches get Stiches" and all that. Also Obi Wan knew he was about to leave the planet anyhow, and likely was about to re-enter the war as a general. He was "Coming back into the world" as soon as he finished Leia's message - so there was no point in hiding any longer. Well, that was the plan anyhow. Also, Ponda Boba had a gun aimed at Luke. Obi Wan spent 19 years protecting Luke Skywalker for a reason... he was NOT going to let some random alien kill the son of Skywalker in a bar fight.

Now to the confrontation with Vader - yeah that was gonna be a fight no doubt - but this card game is simulating the same thing. By the time we've sat down and dealt cards.... we are IN that corridor. We are going to fight. There is no talking your way out of this!

The game is really abstract though so it doesn't have to fit perfectly with some role play. Ackbar and Padme wouldn't be able to beat Vader in a fight.

It would seem to be that way. Though I despise the fact Old Ben has at least two damage sides, the same way I despise him being a kickass brawler in Imperial Assault and how apparently he'll be portrayed in Rebels this season. The Alec Guiness Obi-Wan was a character that "used the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack" and a character that solved his problems with stoic wisdom and guile, not a character that went around looking cool while stabbing people with a laser sword and doing backflips under blaster fire. Turning him into a brawler is a massive disservice to the character.

Yes, because the Obi Wan I know from Episode 4, would Never swing his lightsaber at Darth Vader, or chop off Ponda Bobba's Arm in a Bar fight.

I'd say meeting up with your ex-apprentice in a tight hallway, the one that you know for a fact wants you dead, cannot be reasoned with and is immune to all your tricks and guile is the one instance in which anyone would come to the natural conclusion that a physical confrontation is unavoidable. Besides, notice how he doesn't even want to or try to actually beat Vader. He only engages in the duel because he realizes there is no other way to delay Vader and offer Luke et al the time they need to escape. Once he knows they're safe, he literally chooses to die rather than continue fighting.

As for the cantina thing, that scene always baffled me. Having a guy that sits in a bar and talks to you rudely get punished by dismemberment seems pretty extreme for anyone, let alone a guy who's supposed to be the chief role model father-figure and a paragon of truth and justice.

Not to mention the fact that pulling an exotic weapon, one that's associated with a very specific brotherhood of individuals with supernatural powers that's being hunted down by the current regime with extreme prejudice, in public in broad daylight, when you're the very last one of that order and have been making a point of living in hiding in a self-imposed exile in the literal middle of the desert for almost two decades, cannot be called anything other than the act of a complete moron.

The entire thing is frankly surreal and discordant with everything the viewer is shown and told about the Jedi in general and Obi-Wan specifically. If I could change just one thing about any Star Wars movie, it would be to take this sequence out.

I think the cantina is a fine place to pull out the lightsaber, because these people are ALL criminals so it's not like ANYONE there wants to have a talk with the Empire about what they saw in the Cantina

Only that's exactly what happens, courtesy of Mr Garindan, so there was still point in keeping hidden. I also don't think Kenobi being so cavalier as to decide he can go full-on Jedi laser sword just because he was planning on leaving suits the calculating nature of the character either. I mean, that reasoning makes it sound like pointless bravado, at that point in the story done for no real gain but with actual risk involved.

And no one pointed a blaster at Luke, if you watch the scene closely you'll notice the gun was drawn AFTER Kenobi ignited his lightsaber FIRST and it was pointed at him. Luke was thrown across the room by that point. Kenobi could have just raised his hands up, placated Evazan and Baba with a mind trick and help Luke get up while mouthing some sage sentence, but instead he purposely escalated a bar room disagreement into a fight utilizing deadly weaponry.

Now, I get why that scene is in the movie. It's meant to show that:

a) lightsabers are a real deal and not just silly flashy accesories like Han implies later

b) Kenobi can handle himself in a dangerous situation, so we're not surprised later that an older gent can hold his own against Vader

but you could do both in a variety of different ways with completely different scenes that wouldn't compromise the characterization of Kenobi.

Edited by Don_Silvarro

The game is really abstract though so it doesn't have to fit perfectly with some role play. Ackbar and Padme wouldn't be able to beat Vader in a fight.

No, but it would do well on Pay-Per-View

It would seem to be that way. Though I despise the fact Old Ben has at least two damage sides, the same way I despise him being a kickass brawler in Imperial Assault and how apparently he'll be portrayed in Rebels this season. The Alec Guiness Obi-Wan was a character that "used the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack" and a character that solved his problems with stoic wisdom and guile, not a character that went around looking cool while stabbing people with a laser sword and doing backflips under blaster fire. Turning him into a brawler is a massive disservice to the character.

Yes, because the Obi Wan I know from Episode 4, would Never swing his lightsaber at Darth Vader, or chop off Ponda Bobba's Arm in a Bar fight.

I'd say meeting up with your ex-apprentice in a tight hallway, the one that you know for a fact wants you dead, cannot be reasoned with and is immune to all your tricks and guile is the one instance in which anyone would come to the natural conclusion that a physical confrontation is unavoidable. Besides, notice how he doesn't even want to or try to actually beat Vader. He only engages in the duel because he realizes there is no other way to delay Vader and offer Luke et al the time they need to escape. Once he knows they're safe, he literally chooses to die rather than continue fighting.

As for the cantina thing, that scene always baffled me. Having a guy that sits in a bar and talks to you rudely get punished by dismemberment seems pretty extreme for anyone, let alone a guy who's supposed to be the chief role model father-figure and a paragon of truth and justice.

Not to mention the fact that pulling an exotic weapon, one that's associated with a very specific brotherhood of individuals with supernatural powers that's being hunted down by the current regime with extreme prejudice, in public in broad daylight, when you're the very last one of that order and have been making a point of living in hiding in a self-imposed exile in the literal middle of the desert for almost two decades, cannot be called anything other than the act of a complete moron.

The entire thing is frankly surreal and discordant with everything the viewer is shown and told about the Jedi in general and Obi-Wan specifically. If I could change just one thing about any Star Wars movie, it would be to take this sequence out.

I think the cantina is a fine place to pull out the lightsaber, because these people are ALL criminals so it's not like ANYONE there wants to have a talk with the Empire about what they saw in the Cantina

Only that's exactly what happens, courtesy of Mr Garindan, so there was still point in keeping hidden. I also don't think Kenobi being so cavalier as to decide he can go full-on Jedi laser sword just because he was planning on leaving suits the calculating nature of the character either. I mean, that reasoning makes it sound like pointless bravado, at that point in the story done for no real gain but with actual risk involved.

And no one pointed a blaster at Luke, if you watch the scene closely you'll notice the gun was drawn AFTER Kenobi ignited his lightsaber FIRST and it was pointed at him. Luke was thrown across the room by that point. Kenobi could have just raised his hands up, placated Evazan and Baba with a mind trick and help Luke get up while mouthing some sage sentence, but instead he purposely escalated a bar room disagreement into a fight utilizing deadly weaponry.

Now, I get why that scene is in the movie. It's meant to show that:

a) lightsabers are a real deal and not just silly flashy accesories like Han implies later

b) Kenobi can handle himself in a dangerous situation, so we're not surprised later that an older gent can hold his own against Vader

but you could do both in a variety of different ways with completely different scenes that wouldn't compromise the characterization of Kenobi.

The guns are clearly coming out as soon as they threw Luke out of the way. He's pulling out the gun at the same time as obi-wan pulls out his saber, then imediately starts shooting. Not a great time to be holding up your hands and going for a mind trick.

The guns are clearly coming out as soon as they threw Luke out of the way. He's pulling out the gun at the same time as obi-wan pulls out his saber, then imediately starts shooting. Not a great time to be holding up your hands and going for a mind trick.

I agree the gun is pulled right after he threw Luke away. You can see it at 2.06 min.

The guns are clearly coming out as soon as they threw Luke out of the way. He's pulling out the gun at the same time as obi-wan pulls out his saber, then imediately starts shooting. Not a great time to be holding up your hands and going for a mind trick.

I agree the gun is pulled right after he threw Luke away. You can see it at 2.06 min.

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Destroyer Droid - 12 cost, an ability that generates shields automatically or something. The only problem with that guess is that there haven't been multiple non-unique characters for any color as of yet.

"Destroyer droid P-59" or "Destroyer droid P-60"? ;)