Can Azmorigan 'resurrect' dead unique characters?

By LordBlades, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Let's say you run Azmorigan. What happens in the following cases:

a) you have Dengar pilot on the table and he gets destroyed. Can now Azmorigan bring Dengar crew into play?

b) you have a crew that gets discarded for whatever reason ( Boba Fett or it being a discard on use card, like Boba himself or Vizago). Can Azmorigan bring him back?

Edited by LordBlades

I don't think we'll know without an FAQ or the rules insert for the ship. This is unprecedented, so there's no way to know.

Similarly, the question of whether Vizago can resurrect a discarded Cloaking Device on a different ship.

Technically a discarded upgrade card is still on the ship that discarded it. To "discard" an upgrade card, you flip it face down. That card is still part of the list you brought to the game.So my interpretation would be "no".

I think that's sad, however, as having somebody save dengar from his ship blowing up at the last second, or making boba's trip not one-way, sounds both fun and fitting with the source material to me. I hope i'm wrong.

Edited by grandmoffjoe

In the first place we should ask how does Unique rule interact with Vizago and Azmordrigan in the first place?

Cause for now it referenced squad builing and those 2 are nowhere near squad building.

Sometimes I think "Do what a card says to do, not what it doesn't say to do" should be expanded to "If a card doesn't tell you to break a rule, it doesn't break a rule."

Technically a discarded upgrade card is still on the ship that discarded it. To "discard" an upgrade card, you flip it face down. That card is still part of the list you brought to the game.So my interpretation would be "no".

I think that's sad, however, as having somebody save dengar from his ship blowing up at the last second, or making boba's trip not one-way, sounds both fun and fitting with the source material to me. I hope i'm wrong.

RAW I think it works for discarded crew. A discarded crew card is still a crew card with the same point value, correct? If so you can swap it out, then swap it back in undiscarded next turn.

Vizago:

"At the start of the End phase, you may discard this card to replace a faceup (image) or (image) Upgrade card you have equipped with another Upgrade card of the same type of equal or fewer squad points."

Azmorigan:

"At the start of the End phase, you may spend 1 energy to replace a faceup (image) or (image) Upgrade card you have equipped with another Upgrade card of the same type of equal or fewer squad points."

As mentionned earlier in this post, a discarded, spent or destroyed card is flipped facedown , so I don't think this is an issue at all. Would have been one ugly can of worms otherwise :)

I believe the question though is regarding pilot to crew cards. If you have the Pilot Boba Fett, you obviously cannot have the crew Boba Fett. But if the pilot Boba Fett dies, can you use Azmorigan to swap... Let's say Gunner for crew Boba Fett?

My intuition is saying no. Pilot Boba Fett is still in your squad, even if he has been removed from play...

Fair point about faceup cards :)

That only leaves the other question though: how does Azmorigan interact with unique crew that has been in play at the start of the game as pilot or crew on a ship that has meanwhile been destroyed.

Fair point about faceup cards :)

That only leaves the other question though: how does Azmorigan interact with unique crew that has been in play at the start of the game as pilot or crew on a ship that has meanwhile been destroyed.

Rules reference say that you cannot field two or more cards that share the same unique name, even if those cards are of a different type (see unique names). "Fielding" does not have its own entry. I personally take it as: "you cannot have more than one unique card (no matter its type) with the same name on the field, whether it is face up or face down."

I don't pretend to know what the devs' intent is, but let's just say I would raise an eyebrow if someone would try to have Boba Fett (ship) and Boba Fett (crew) on the board during the same game (whether face down, up, destroyed, etc). But that's just me :)

But that's just me :)

What it really comes down to, is if a discarded card still counts or not. I'm not even going to guess at what the intent is for that... But it is something that will need to be addressed in a FAQ.

Because if discarded no longer "exists" as far as the game state is concerned then I could see doing something like bringing the Boba crew in after the ship with Boba pilot has been killed.

But that's just me :)

What it really comes down to, is if a discarded card still counts or not. I'm not even going to guess at what the intent is for that... But it is something that will need to be addressed in a FAQ.

Because if discarded no longer "exists" as far as the game state is concerned then I could see doing something like bringing the Boba crew in after the ship with Boba pilot has been killed.

Agreed.

Ultimately, however, I think of this combo a bit like Fel's Wrath; I have spent more time thinking about him on this sub-forum than I have in game (now that I think of it, no one has ever fielded him in my local meta... since... well... ever!).

;)

I don't think we'll know without an FAQ or the rules insert for the ship. This is unprecedented, so there's no way to know.

Similarly, the question of whether Vizago can resurrect a discarded Cloaking Device on a different ship.

You could even ask the question more generally about non-unique cards. If a player only has one copy of an upgrade and has it equipped to another ship and that ship is either destroyed or has discarded the upgrade, can Vizago or Azmorigan be used to equip that upgrade or would the player need to posses a second copy of the card?

Edited by WWHSD

my understanding is a "discarded" card still remains on the ship it's attached to flipped. Precedent is decisions on Tomax and how he worked. Given the discarded card is then still considered "on the field" to be able to be flipped then unique rules say no.

That said, it's not the 1st time ffg have been inconsistent.

In this case double tap boba on a bossk bus suggests to me it will definitely be no.