Feral Swipes uses your attack?

By brettpkelly, in Imperial Assault Rules Questions

"-> For each die in your attack pool perform a (melee) attack using a red die"

It costs an action to use and contains the phrase "perform a (melee) attack". I can still see it being somewhat useful on a Bantha with Beast tamer to trample and then get two red die attacks off vs white die opponents. However, the fact you can't Pounce and then Feral Swipes makes it a lot weaker than I previously thought. Dewbacks may be able to run this card, but against black die opponents you'd almost always want to use your regular attack instead. Terro does more damage without it and it's out of the question on Rancor or Wampas. Has anyone gotten any use out of this card yet?

If you were asking, yes, this command card uses up your 1 action to attack limit. The Nexus can technically Pounce, opt not to attack, then Feral Swipe. I don't find this one that powerful actually. Maybe against a white defense rather than black. You're not likely to get surges so not much bonus there. Automatic cleave and bleeding I believe?

Thanks for the response, that's what I thought. Automatic cleave and bleeding is pretty useful, but your attack has to do damage first, which is not a guarantee if you're attacking black 64% chance to hit for at least 1 damage vs. black. Against white 75% chance to do 1 damage.

I honestly don't really rate this card.

It's very situational.

1) you can use it if there's a 2 or 3 figures with one or two health left nearby. But you'd have to be adjacent (or within reach range) to all of them.

2) it's best used with creatures that have built in bonuses like a Nexu bleed, eNexu cleave/bleed, or Wampa extra damage.

3) it's a special action so doesn't work well with other creature cards, and doesn't work well with a Nexu pounce.

4) pretty useless on a bantha

5) could be useful on focused rancor (4 attacks) but wouldn't you rather just use brutality?
6) useless on dewbacks... they'd rather use their own special actions and 3 dice attack at decent range. Terro's flamethrower is going to be flat out better than this card almost every time.

Problem is, unless focused, nexu and wampa are rolling 2 dice. If focused, you'll get 3 which is nice, but then you still have to ask yourself "am I better off doing a nice big 3 dice attack?".

I think the card just requires way too much set up and way too specific situations to be worth it.
Works best with nexu and wampas but I'd rather use stuff like wild fury on a Nexu to pounce and attack again.

Edited by Inquisitorsz

The focus die does not count when deciding how many swipes to do. It would just be applied to the first swipe.

I agree, the card is pretty bad right now. Maybe if there were a creature that removed all defense dice when it attacked or something and had 3 dice, this could be interesting.

It still counts to your attack pool doesn't it? I thought this has come up a bunch of times as to what (and when) a "attack pool" is.

I'm sure in other discussion topics it was decided that the focus dice counts as being in your attack pool. I think it was in that thread about Weiss and IG88s "Arsenal" rule.

I did forget to add that the green dice will be used in the first attack... that does make most of the focused uses much better (especially for a Nexu where your normal attack would be green/red anyway).

Still, it's best use case is with a focused elite nexu, I don't think I'd bother with the card in any other situation.

Focus gives you an additional die the next time you perform an attack.

"Attack pool" is defined as "Dice rolled by the attacker", but nothing says focus adds to whatever "your attack pool" means. The definition in the RRG seems to really be referring to all the dice after they've been rolled, whereas Feral Swipes seems to refer to an "Attack Pool" that your figure has all the time.

Given that, it seems pretty vague.

Currently, I would reason on the side that your attack pool is the dice listed on your card, and focus doesn't actually add a die until you go to make an attack.

The definition of Focus in the RRG:

Focused is a condition that provides the figure with an additional green die the next time the figure attacks or performs a test.

If we tried to change this to talk about attack pools, you would say "Focused is a condition that adds an additional green die to a figure's attack pool the next time the figure attacks."

At least, that seems to be the most sensible way to say it.

Alternatively, it would be "Focused is a condition that adds a die to a figure's attack pool until the next attack or until it is discarded." if you wanted to support a ruling in the other direction.

Edited by DTDanix

Focus does not add to the attack pool, so it would not be counted for feral swipes. The argument about Weis is that his ability doesn't refer to attack pool, it limits how many dice are rolled, so it applies after focus is added.

When attacking or performing an attribute test, Focused adds a green die to the dice pool. It does not modify the figure's attack pool (or attribute test pool) in any way.

Edited by a1bert

I mostly see this card as an attempt to salvage the eWampa. With buildt in +2 damage, rolling RR against smaller figures is generally a waste. But two attacks at R+2 could be something, and allow the Wampa a little flexibility. Could work with eNexu against white die as well.

I mostly see this card as an attempt to salvage the eWampa. With buildt in +2 damage, rolling RR against smaller figures is generally a waste. But two attacks at R+2 could be something, and allow the Wampa a little flexibility. Could work with eNexu against white die as well.

That seems like one of the best uses for it, though the eWampa is probably still unusable. Maybe it's making up for the fact that the eWampa probably should have Brutality...

I mean, it seems like this card just increases your AOE in a beast list. Maybe you use it to finish off units after Trample? Or if you're running a non-bantha beast list, it gives you some AOE where you wouldn't normally have any?

When attacking or performing an attribute test, Focused adds a green die to the dice pool. It does not modify the figure's attack pool (or attribute test pool) in any way.

OK thanks.

So the distinction is "attack pool" vs "dice pool" ????

One is fixed on the card the other can change due to various effects such as focus or command cards

Seems unnecessarily confusing.

The reason I'm confused a1bert is because here

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/226522-general-weisss-any-attack-dice-ability-and-focus/?p=2340440

You specifically said that focus does add to the "attack pool"

But admittedly that topic is long with HEAPS of people having edited comments which makes it difficult to follow

Hey, I am not infallible in my wordings! :D

Anyway, even if focused were to add dice to the attack pool, it happens during the attack and not when the Feral Swipes is looking at the attack dice the figure has.

That's fine. I'm OK with either interpretation to be honest.... I still think it's not a good card =P

I hope they do clarify some more of these timing and "check" windows. There's more and more exceptions and special cases every release.