This was linked in my local FB group.

https://www.reddit.com/r/XWingTMG/comments/5mvtur/tennessee_regional_battle_report_top_8_cut/

I did a quick search to see if this was posted already but did not see anything as of yet, so my apologies if it has been discussed.

Rather than repost the lengthy text here, I'll give a basic summary and then ask two questions.

Basically, you can run IGB with a YV, placing Gunner, IGB, and a secondary weapon on the YV. If you miss with your first shot from the YV, you can trigger both the ability AND Gunner at Step 9 if done in the right order.

Essentially, this means that the word "immediately" in gunner (which is not on IG's text) means nothing under the new timing chart.

1) Do you see anything inconsistent in this ruling?

2) Do you think it's so nasty as to require an errata?

No, and no. Immediately means basically nothing.

It works, and it's not that nasty because it still requires an IGGy without another one to support it, and a YV either which can only get the full benefit of its buddy in arc, or which is Moralo.

It's a neat trick but it's not going to smash the meta.

No, and no. Immediately means basically nothing.

It works, and it's not that nasty because it still requires an IGGy without another one to support it, and a YV either which can only get the full benefit of its buddy in arc, or which is Moralo.

It's a neat trick but it's not going to smash the meta.

I don't disagree. However, it's worth noting that other extra attack effects like IG88B has "cannot perform another attack this round" (Ghost, Gunner, and now Baze). I'll also add that the new card "Baze Malbus" uses the word "immediately" as well.

I haven't read this too closely but my interpretation of the question is this: If I miss an attack can I trigger both Gunner and IG-88 B to gain a free attack with my primary and cannon?

The answer to that is yes but no. The miss would trigger both abilities but whichever one you use would then shut down the other with the "can't attack again" clause. This realization is a good part of the reason Gunner abilities were allowed on the epic ships despite being banned initially; it could be used once but after being used there aren't anymore attacks so if a ship could do say 3 attacks it may be giving up two to make a new primary due to the miss.

The miss would trigger both abilities but whichever one you use would then shut down the other with the "can't attack again" clause.

IG-88B doesn't have a "cannot attack again" clause. It is limited to "once per hound", but doesn't forbid other attacks.

The miss would trigger both abilities but whichever one you use would then shut down the other with the "can't attack again" clause.

IG-88B doesn't have a "cannot attack again" clause. It is limited to "once per hound", but doesn't forbid other attacks.

So much for careful reading on my part.

Without that I guess it could allow for two additional attack provided you had all the right upgrades.

I may just take this combo to a local tournament this Friday, just to see what sort of reactions it gets.

I may just take this combo to a local tournament this Friday, just to see what sort of reactions it gets.

I may just take this combo to a local tournament this Friday, just to see what sort of reactions it gets.

Congratulations in advance for your YV-666 never missing its first shot. Ever.

Or just getting killed before it can ever shoot. Or B getting killed before it can ever shoot.

It did well in the TN regionals, User had Bossk - mangler, IGB, Dengar, gunner. Dengar'd away his first attack, then triggered the ability. Apparently it worked really well.

I may just take this combo to a local tournament this Friday, just to see what sort of reactions it gets.

Congratulations in advance for your YV-666 never missing its first shot. Ever.

You can use Dengar crew to repeat your hits to make the shot miss.

"once per hound",

"once per hound",

I see what you did there

Oh, man, I wish I'd done that on purpose!

You have two triggers, one has the clause "immediately", and you can choose to ignore that bit of rule, because of simultanious triggers, seems like a bit of rule exploration to me.

Just remember to resolve IG-88B's ability first. The abilities are resolved 1 at a time, the other being added to step 9 of the next attack. so resolving Gunner first would shot down IG-88B

This does seem a bit grey. So gunner says 'immediately'' how are we defining this. If you attack with IGB's ability before using this would it still be immediate? And I don't think a letter on the internet is sufficient enough proof. Another FAQ please.

This does seem a bit grey. So gunner says 'immediately'' how are we defining this. If you attack with IGB's ability before using this would it still be immediate? And I don't think a letter on the internet is sufficient enough proof. Another FAQ please.

For all intents and purposes now, immediately means "before you move to the next step" Since IG-B and Gunner are in the same substep now, immediately doesn't mean anything in relation to the IG-B ability.

This does seem a bit grey. So gunner says 'immediately'' how are we defining this. If you attack with IGB's ability before using this would it still be immediate? And I don't think a letter on the internet is sufficient enough proof. Another FAQ please.

For all intents and purposes now, immediately means "before you move to the next step" Since IG-B and Gunner are in the same substep now, immediately doesn't mean anything in relation to the IG-B ability.

Immediately does have meaning in the game. It also has a "may" on the gunner card. If I was to rule on how this works, I would say if you choose not to use it immediately and instead use the IG ability(which doesn't have the immediately text), I would say you missed your opportunity to use gunner

This does seem a bit grey. So gunner says 'immediately'' how are we defining this. If you attack with IGB's ability before using this would it still be immediate? And I don't think a letter on the internet is sufficient enough proof. Another FAQ please.

For all intents and purposes now, immediately means "before you move to the next step" Since IG-B and Gunner are in the same substep now, immediately doesn't mean anything in relation to the IG-B ability.

Immediately does have meaning in the game. It also has a "may" on the gunner card. If I was to rule on how this works, I would say if you choose not to use it immediately and instead use the IG ability(which doesn't have the immediately text), I would say you missed your opportunity to use gunner

Thats not how it was already ruled in a previous regional. You can do what you want, but know that other people disagree with your ruling, including a letter from Frank.

Immediatly means nothing in the current ruling. Specially since the attack chart came out.

This is becoming more grey because the word 'immediately'' is on the HLC card also so does that means it only has a meaning on this card. So for example is it in step 3.2 is when the dice should be changed to hits from crits or is it ímmediately after rolling them. And if it is immediately after the dice then why is gunner interpreted differently. Even if it is at step 3.2 it is still in the same step so why would gunner be allowed to wait (instead of immediately) a whole other attack timing chart before it immediately happens. It does look like (from a letter on the internet) that it is being allowed but if I was a TO I think I would wait for a FAQ on this.

This is becoming more grey because the word 'immediately'' is on the HLC card also so does that means it only has a meaning on this card. So for example is it in step 3.2 is when the dice should be changed to hits from crits or is it ímmediately after rolling them. And if it is immediately after the dice then why is gunner interpreted differently. Even if it is at step 3.2 it is still in the same step so why would gunner be allowed to wait (instead of immediately) a whole other attack timing chart before it immediately happens. It does look like (from a letter on the internet) that it is being allowed but if I was a TO I think I would wait for a FAQ on this.

Heavy Laser Cannon changes crits to hits "immediately" after step 2, not in step 3.ii because it's not a "normal" player dice modification. The dice are changed before any other modifications can be made, and in this case, "immediately" means exactly that - immediately after rolling the dice .

Gunner's trigger of "immediately" is largely irrelevant now because the timing window " after an attack... " now has it's own step within the attack (Step 9) whereas before it didn't. Initially, this wasn't an issue, but with more upgrades and pilot abilities referencing "after an attack" or "after defending", the designers felt the need to define the timing more precisely.

Don't get all hung up on the word "immediately" because in some contexts it means " do this before anything else " and in other contexts it's now irrelevant. Out of about 20 or so cards, there's only around 5 that use the word "immediately" and trigger during Step 9. The rest mean exactly what they say.

Guys am i reading this right? If this combo comes out legal you get BOTH mangler attack and second primary attack?

Guys am i reading this right? If this combo comes out legal you get BOTH mangler attack and second primary attack?

Yes.

You miss with your first shot, you trigger both, and resolve them in the order IGD, Gunner, getting a cannon shot and a primary shot.

Even if it's not legal, you can do miss with first shot, trigger and resolve IGD, miss with cannon shot, trigger gunner, but it's nowhere near as effective that way round.

Guys am i reading this right? If this combo comes out legal you get BOTH mangler attack and second primary attack?

Yes.

You miss with your first shot, you trigger both, and resolve them in the order IGD, Gunner, getting a cannon shot and a primary shot.

Even if it's not legal, you can do miss with first shot, trigger and resolve IGD, miss with cannon shot, trigger gunner, but it's nowhere near as effective that way round.

Yea i get it : point is to get 2 attacks not 1 that is gunnered twice.

So it's better not to take this list to a tournament until a faq that resolve this matter comes out right?