Maul's Kom'rk - Isn't is smiliar to the Protectorate? Only about 20 years newer?

Older.

And while "similar" in that they're made by the same people (Mandos), the similarities probably end there. The Kom'rk is larger than the Ghost, the Protectorate is what, somewhere between an A-Wing and X-Wing in size?

Think of the prequels what you will, but they introduced some great concepts to star wars: the droid fighters, the Arc, the Republic Gunship, Maul's Scimitar, Amidala's Shuttle, the Naboo Starfighter, Dooku's Solar Sailer, the Jedi Starfighter and so on.

There are a lot of good designs in those movies and I could see them breathing fresh air into the current range of X-wing.

The prequels made a lot of good things. The N-1 most certainly wasn't one of them.

Think of the prequels what you will, but they introduced some great concepts to star wars: the droid fighters, the Arc, the Republic Gunship, Maul's Scimitar, Amidala's Shuttle, the Naboo Starfighter, Dooku's Solar Sailer, the Jedi Starfighter and so on.

There are a lot of good designs in those movies and I could see them breathing fresh air into the current range of X-wing.

I'm not saying the Prequel designs are ugly, but most of them break with the OT design style. That's why I don't like them: they simply don't feel like Star Wars (but maybe that's different for the youngsters who grew with the PT instead of the OT).

Odanan said:

I'm not saying the Prequel designs are ugly, but most of them break with the OT design style. That's why I don't like them: they simply don't feel like Star Wars (but maybe that's different for the youngsters who grew with the PT instead of the OT).

Absolutely spot on. Someone who had no experience of Star Wars would, I feel sure, be more likely assume that most of the prequel ships were more modern and advanced models than the OT ships. They just don't feel 'right' to me. In my view, little about those films feels like it antecedes the OT by decades. Watching them is a jarring experience.

Think of the prequels what you will, but they introduced some great concepts to star wars: the droid fighters, the Arc, the Republic Gunship, Maul's Scimitar, Amidala's Shuttle, the Naboo Starfighter, Dooku's Solar Sailer, the Jedi Starfighter and so on.

There are a lot of good designs in those movies and I could see them breathing fresh air into the current range of X-wing.

There is unfortunately also tons of bad stuff in them (apart from hideous dialogues and acting), technic wise e.g. the buzz-droids, that makes no sense in a space battle.

Odanan said:

I'm not saying the Prequel designs are ugly, but most of them break with the OT design style. That's why I don't like them: they simply don't feel like Star Wars (but maybe that's different for the youngsters who grew with the PT instead of the OT).

Absolutely spot on. Someone who had no experience of Star Wars would, I feel sure, be more likely assume that most of the prequel ships were more modern and advanced models than the OT ships. They just don't feel 'right' to me. In my view, little about those films feels like it antecedes the OT by decades. Watching them is a jarring experience.

Yeah, I can get behind that. Growing up, I was exposed to both the OT and the prequels more or less at the same time, so I never really had a reason to differentiate between the two. As for the modern looking ships, I always felt that this was a deliberate choice to illustrate the republic "devolving" into the Empire... or maybe they just wanted to show off their flashy new designs

@Managarmr: Suspension of disbelief is very much necessary in order to enjoy Star Wars, don't you agree? Buzz Droids might not be practical, but the idea of small droids dismantling a ship mid flight seems cool to me.

Personally i'm not entirely sure where people think theres a big break in design style. I think what people mean when they say that is pretty much exclusively directed towards Naboo ships, which i get. But pretty much all of the Republic's ships i think definitely fit in the Star Wars aesthetic. The ARC-170 seamlessly fits in alongside OT ships, especially the X-Wing. The V-Wing is a craft that share many external design features with ships like the A-Wing. The Eta-2 is a cool-looking little ship intentionally designed to share design features with the TIE Fighter, which it was supposed to be a precursor for with it's technologies, whilst retaining a distinct Republic look.

I'm not going to sit here and try to say the Prequels were great movies, not even good ones, but at some point there must come an admittance that these designs aren't liked because they're associated with the unenjoyable aspects of the movies themselves, not because these ship designs don't have merit. The ridiculousness and melodramatic nature that some members of this forum go out of their way to spew vitriol over the Prequels and even the newer movies borders on lunacy. I grew up while the PT was releasing in theatres, and i can safely say i never liked them to the degree that the OT enthralled me as a child. But, i mean, as a kid, an ARC-170 is just as a much a badass space fighter to play with as an X-Wing is. Because face it, the reason you play this game is because space fighters are ******* cool. At least admit that the reason you don't like certain ones is entirely subjective values based on the fact that you didn't grow up playing with ARC-170s and V-Wings, not because they're not just as well designed ships.

No, the reason I hate certain ships from the prequels is because they are dumb, uninteresting designs. There are some designs from the prequels I like (ARCs, V-wings, and Gunships namely), but there are plenty I do not, and it's not because of some irrational hatred of the prequels.

But some cultures like the Naboo who are more peaceful wouldn't have the Most advanced styles of ships. It reminds me of a early WW2 era fighter. Maybe that is what he was going for, the Naboo who didn't fight big wars didn't have the most up to date advanced ships. So they had older models than what they could have, since in TPM the Gungans did all the army style fighting.

There won't be new ships. As soon as the amount of pre orders of the epic scum has reached an acceptable level we will get an article introducing X wing 2.0 and explaining how we can use the expensive converter kit to use all the models we have bought in X-wing 2.0. They will start re launching all ships in 2.0 editions with smaller packs giving us only the cards and ship bases that were not included in the converter kit. This will lead to a serious drop in interest and the 2019 worlds will have a max attendance of 60 players (Ryan Farmer defeating Dee Yun in the final and finally claiming his dice and templates. Sadly the interest in the game has dropped and hardly anyone is around to here about it on the podcast). Some will cling on to x wing 1.0 and host alternative tournies (a bit like those who refused to move on from D&D 3.5 back in the days (I was guilty of that)). The rest have moved on and emptied their pockets on SW Destiny boosters packs, some even committing theft to get sufficient money and mainly playing it with their fellow inmates.

But by 2019 X-wing is probably the least of or worries, as by then one the superpower presidents/dictators of this world have probably started a nuclear war anyway......

Yes, all this is of course only meant as a joke

Nice crap post.

But some cultures like the Naboo who are more peaceful wouldn't have the Most advanced styles of ships. It reminds me of a early WW2 era fighter. Maybe that is what he was going for, the Naboo who didn't fight big wars didn't have the most up to date advanced ships. So they had older models than what they could have, since in TPM the Gungans did all the army style fighting.

Also, the naboo fighters were designed for "elegance" over actual combat capability. My own version of the N1 cannot turn worth a ****, but is cheap because of the stiff dial.

Do you cry a bit everytime your opponent has an ARC?

No, I internalise the anguish, but I talk through gritted teeth and my eye starts to twitch during the game.

Oh stop it with the irrational Prequals hate.

They had flaws sure but they were still decent movies that feature some pretty cool and iconic ships that would be great additions to the game.

The prequels had bad dialogue, bad acting, terrible storylines, didn't even share the same continuity with George's own original trilogy, and the ship designs are... mediocre at best. Have you ever tried to think about how R2 managed to fit into an N1?

Why, by using his never-before-seen telescoping head, of course!

They were a complete and total dumpster fire. And I don't say this as someone who is jumping on some kind of bandwagon, I say this as someone who saw all three films in the cinemas as they were released and was absolutely disgusted with them. They're terrible films who's very existence devalue the entire Star Wars universe. Midichlorians, for gods sake! "Roger Roger" clown droids! JAR JAR BINKS!

Aside from anything else, the designs of the vehicles look like they might have come from an entirely different universe. They have nothing of the iconic Star Wars feel established in the original trilogy.

And even if they were brilliant iconic designs like the X Wing or TIE Fighter (which they aren't) they'd still be there on the table, reminding me that they come from the same story arc as "Let's try spinning, that's a good trick!" and "I hate sand" and they'd make me like this game a LOT less than I do.

So I say no. Keep the prequels as far away from this game as possible.

Well I'm as old as dirt, and I hate the prequels at so many levels. But one level I didn't hate was the large scale space battles that happened despite main character stupidity. I really liked the fleet and ship designs and would be pumped if the Galactic Republic and the Separatists were introduced as two new factions. A new starter with N-1s and Vulture droids would be awesome and corresponding Clone War ships for Armada would be very welcome.

My next 5 XWing ships I'd like to see:

N-1

Vulture droid

Scum: Skipray (my second most missed ship)

Imperial: Gunboat (NOW FFG!!)

Rebel: Veteran XWing with 0 point title card that lets the XWing reroll 1 die a turn and an S-Foil upgrade that's a reversible card: usable on all XWings. You can lower green dice by one in the action phase to gain a red. It's other side gives you the option to lower your red pool in the action phase to gain one green.

not sure about the other factions, but the obvious ep8 movie tie-in imperial ship is gonna be

kylos tie fighter

skip to 1.00 for pics, but why would you skip Chobot?

Have you ever tried to think about how R2 managed to fit into an N1?

Why, by using his never-before-seen telescoping head, of course!

Honestly, I always figured he just turned 90 degrees so his body was sideways.

That picture is unnecessarily complicated. Shows that the people writing that book were more focused on things being "cool" than even remotely practical.

Personally, I've always kind of liked the N1. It wasn't as "grimy" or "gritty" as the X-wings, sure, but it was used by a Royal Guard. It makes sense that it's ridiculously shiny. I mean, have you ever seen the Papal guard? Their uniforms are utterly ridiculous!

I have my beefs with the prequels too, but the designs of the ships generally aren't among them.

And I don't say this as someone who is jumping on some kind of bandwagon, I say this as someone who saw all three films in the cinemas as they were released and was absolutely disgusted with them.

We do not make our predictions in these threads for what a few would dislike, but for what many would like to see. And with each passing month the desire to see prequel content grows. I'm looking forward to them as an outsider to the game now.

Rebel Veterans: X-wing/Y-wing

Wave 10

Empire: ?

Rebels: Snow Speeder

Scum: Nightbrother

First order: To be seen officially in trailer

Resistance: To be seen officially in trailer

... So you have an opinion. And your credentials are that, if I got this right, "[i'm not on the bandwagon, I] saw all three films in cinema as they were released." Fascinating. You have also managed to take a few extra whacks at the dead horse of the droid socket issue. As Obi-wan would have said, good job.

We do not make our predictions in these threads for what a few would dislike, but for what many would like to see. And with each passing month the desire to see prequel content grows. I'm looking forward to them as an outsider to the game now.

Oh spare me, I'm not trying to flaunt my credentials here.

Public opinion is like a pendulum. First it swings one way, and it's popular to hate the prequels. Then it swings the other way, and some people start to appreciate them and others get sick of the constant whining, and it becomes unfashionable to hate the prequels. And back and forth it goes.

All I'm saying is that I don't hate the prequels blindly because we're supposed to, or because it's cool to do it. I've seen them all, multiple times because I'm a Star Wars tragic and tried to talk myself into liking them or finding points to appreciate. But the whole experience, ships included, is overwhelmingly negative and it would be an awful thing to lend any kind of support to the prequel movies by letting their ships into X Wing. I fervently hope that one day Disney works up the courage to reboot the prequels with all new actors and completely re-scripts it, and we can all put Jar Jar and 'This is podracing!' into the same box as the Christmas Special and pretend they never existed. Even the Ewok movies are better than the prequels, and I'd rather see the Ewok glider come to X Wing before the N1.

Honestly, I wouldnt mind the snow airspeeder being released as a FFG X-Wing expansion, but because of the size difference between them, and the toned down power, i would expect them to release them in Twin packs. Two Snowspeeders per 15 dollar expansion.

Then i can start working on making my secret hoth base... Muwahahhaha

For a while atmospheric fighters seemed to be a no-go. But with the release of the TIE Striker they have become acceptable apparently. So, therefore my dire wish for one of the iconic, classic, OT ships not yet present in the X-wing miniature game;

The Bespin Cloud Car!

Please FFG?

Striker isn't atmospheric only - it's just less maneuverable outside of atmosphere. There's art on the cards of it being in space. If it wasn't space-capable, it would be called an airspeeder, but it is a starfighter.

The N1's design makes a lot more sense when you realize it's supposed to look like a retro sports car with chromed finish.

not sure about the other factions, but the obvious ep8 movie tie-in imperial ship is gonna be

kylos tie fighter

skip to 1.00 for pics, but why would you skip Chobot?

That'll ship with Wave 12 I assume, probably aiming for release alongside the movie as with the Striker/U. And I'm presuming there's going to be a new Rebel ship to go with it. I'm guessing probably the A Wing we saw a while ago with a ginger aristocrat in it.

So instead of having a pissing contest about if you liked the prequels or not lets move along and speculate at new ships? Honestly be polite it won't kill ya in the least.

Imperials - I would say the Gun boat would be a good idea since they need a medium style fighter

Rebels - A large based ship that isn't a transport of some sort

Scum - Something that gives both Missiles and Torps, that is a small ship

Imps: GUNBOAT hopefully, but more likely, either Krennic's shuttle or the Striker Shuttle Thing.

Rebels: Resistance Transport or something from SW Rebels. Maybe the new YT 2400, or an alternate Attack Shuttle to go with the Ghost.

Scum: I'd love to see a dedicated bomber for Scum, so maybe the Scurrg H6/Havoc, and a large base bomber would be interesting, but I'm expecting something from Rebels, maybe the Nightbrother though it's WAY too big, I'll be annoyed if they publish another ship that needs a ghost-style stand to not collapse under its own weight.