Possible spoilers for those who haven't watched the show or Rogue One! Warning ⚠️!!!

So I was reading this article http://www.starwarsunderworld.com/2017/01/creators-discuss-adding-star-wars.html?m=1 and they stated that after talking to the developers of Rogue One the Hammerheads seen in Rebels are the same exact ships in Rogue One. It wasn't meant to be an intentional shoe horned in way to connect the two but more of a fun nod to the Rebels team and their work.

So when you're watching the show where the Princess gives them the old beat up transports one of them is critical in the battle over Scarif and the Death Star's plans wouldn't be able to be transmitted without the little ship that could.

Go little Hammerhead, Go!

I read the same story over at iO9, they had to take the CGI models for the Hammerhead and up the details on them for the big screen. That explains the extra engine, turrets, which I believe makes them look more like a warship and less like an armed transport.

You noticed that extra engine too? I am trying not to get bogged down by it too much, because honestly I noticed something off during the movie but loved the look anyways. (Went home after the movie and looked up the image from Rebels to pinpoint what was off.)

Here's another fun fact.

Despite all those nods to Rebels in Rogue One, the movie inexplicably makes a huge plot point out of how the Alliance is not supposed to be attacking the Empire directly (the outrage over the attack on Eadu is an example, as well as Mon Mothman's disapproval of Saw's splinter group), yet Rebels spends every episode attacking the Empire.

I much prefer the Rogue One interpretation of the Alliance, but I still don't understand why Rogue One had so much Rebels stuff in it yet still seemed like it existed in a totally different universe.

There is no :Alliance: in Rebels, yet .

That's kind of the point.

Perhaps the reason the Alliance has the general rule is because of all the stuff that the people in Rebels got up to....

It exists in the same Universe, but its still separated by years of timeline.

Not that many years any more. And Bail Organa's intimate involvement in both complicates the idea that there will be some black line coming up that separates the actions of the rebels in the show with the Alliance in the movie.

But I'm sure that's how it will be explained in forum discussions like this. To me, it really doesn't fit at all.

I think it's neat that Rogue One's team clearly wanted to send some call outs to Rebels fans, but I much prefer their version of the Rebellion to the one on the show. Of course, a lot of that is because Rebels is geared toward a different audience and can be a bit silly at times. But I was very impressed with Rogue One's portray of the Alliance.

Not that many years any more. And Bail Organa's intimate involvement in both complicates the idea that there will be some black line coming up that separates the actions of the rebels in the show with the Alliance in the movie.

But I'm sure that's how it will be explained in forum discussions like this. To me, it really doesn't fit at all.

I think it's neat that Rogue One's team clearly wanted to send some call outs to Rebels fans, but I much prefer their version of the Rebellion to the one on the show. Of course, a lot of that is because Rebels is geared toward a different audience and can be a bit silly at times. But I was very impressed with Rogue One's portray of the Alliance.

But still years...

That, and Rebels has also given us a heads up on the scene for the very formation , or even declaration of the Alliance.

That seems pretty black-line to me. And perfectly explains Saw. Because he was basically tolerated under the "can't do much between cells" system, but now a formal alliance - get legitimate if you want to reform the Republic. You can't be seen as Terrorists anymore.

Not that it matters anymore, but in the EU, the concept of the "black line" separating what was an insurgency group, and the Alliance to Restore the Republic is exactly the thing that split Mon Mothma and Garm Bel Iblis. And likely, as turned Saw from Rebel Agent into Partisan Terrorist in the eyes of both sides, effectively.

Before anything else, Mon Mothma was bloody idealistic . And sometimes, Idealism doesn't mesh well with Reality when your underlings don't share your black and white view.

I've not seen Rogue One. But you better believe every **** scene has been spoiled to me - and I do think its very interesting how things come together, and how there are certain explains and gaps and gap-filling...

It honestly seems like a Natural flow to me.

Rebels and Rogue One are absolutely in the same universe but Rogue One gave us the look at a more war like vision of the Galaxy. I like Disney experimenting with a new style for some of the Star Wars installments. But Star Wars is still an all ages mythology and I am glad that will will get some more adult like movies while most of the films and shows will still be for all ages. And yes, that means there will be lots in the movies and shows for kids.there always has been.

But if you were paying attention in Rogue One the Rebels were attacking the Empire but in small ways and different cells started off in different ways. In season one we hear Tarkin talk about how the Rebels on Lothal were more restrained than most other cells with more principles and we see that the Alliance did in fact do many "dirty acts" before the attack on Scarif. But Saw was even more cruel than most. (Probably didn't care as much if innocent civilians got hurt while the Rebels avoided getting civilians hurt.)

But I think you're looking into it too much and see the two different forms of media as too big of a leap to see the similarities. It is the same story, all of it. Whether it be book, cartoon or movie it's all one story, one mythology. But some formats they have to pull the punches because of the audience. But remember Disney may have Rebels geared to a younger audience a lot of the time but Disney, not Lucas, gave us Rogue One which is the most adult Star Wars film yet. They know how to entertain people of all ages and I am happy so far with what Disney has done with the franchise.

Also it should make fans happy knowing that movie writers sit with those who write the shows and books to make the Galaxy all fit together in one story unlike the old legends books of the EU that contirdicted itself almost every book released because there was no communication between authors and screen writers. It was a bloody mess.

Still don't understand why aging fans (hey I just hit my mid-forties so I'm getting up there too) still have a hard time understanding Star Wars has always been a story that is family friendly. The original movie, named just Star War not a New Hope episode IV, was advertised as a kid's science fiction movie in 77. I know because I saw it opening weekend. (I was shocked when Empire Strikes Back was episode V because I hadn't seen the first film since it was released and when I first saw it the opening scroll said nothing about episode IV. They changed that a year before ESB from my understanding.) So yeah, kid's movie. We don't need to have it become an adult themed franchise now because we got old, let it be silly at times and have fun with it. That's what it's for, to have fun.

That's a passionate defense of Rebels and I won't make a passionate rebuttal since it's beyond the scope of the thread (and kind of a needless debate anyway). Let's just say that in terms of tone, Rebels makes Clone Wars look like an HBO show, and the Rebels Empire makes the Separatists / Sith look extremely competent.

To me, it's pretty clear what is going on in Rogue One and it doesn't fit with Rebels at all. I was immediately struck by how differently the Rebellion was portrayed (and, frankly, absolutely thrilled; it confirmed a lot of what I wanted to believe about the Original Trilogy and the old EU had always spoiled). It takes a lot of twisting (beyond the breaking point) to reconcile what the Rebellion is doing in Rogue One to the constant battles in Rebels (think about how angry those senators were about a small strike on Eadu and think about Mon Mothma's conversation with Organa about the necessity of war -- clearly spoken because no war is yet going on; now think about when the Lothal rebels blew up Tarkin's Star Destroyer, or captured an imperial carrier, or destroyed a Mining Guild outpost, or broadcast the existence of the Rebellion to the entire galaxy (!!!), or basically what they do in every single episode). And it will only become harder to reconcile the two as Rebels produces more episodes. In the end, people who prefer the Rogue One interpretation will be the losers because the film has spoken and the tv show can go on speaking. But boy do I love Rogue One .

Rebels has room to get there, I think. They're already telling a story that obviously has to have a lot of disconnect to it, given the presence of jedi on the team. The mid-season trailer shows us that Saw is going to be involved on Rebels, and I'm hoping that ends up being more than just a one-episode cameo.

It already feels like they need to bugger-off somehow before the OT timeframe just because of the jedi stuff. If they actually address this stuff on the show, Rebels will be better for it.

If the Rebels crew - and by extension Pheonix Squadron - are one of the "more extreme" cells, closer to Saw than to the Alliance proper, that would be pretty neat (and explain some things).

Rebels is such a weird show - even moreso than Clone Wars. I like it - it's one that my son and I watch all the time together - but I feel like for "grown up" star wars fans, some of the overarching big-picture stuff and re-canonization is really neat, but the minutia of the actual episodes and actual show is just dreck. I like a ton about Rebels in theory far more than I like the actual implementations on the show.

Rebels and Rogue One are absolutely in the same universe but Rogue One gave us the look at a more war like vision of the Galaxy. I like Disney experimenting with a new style for some of the Star Wars installments. But Star Wars is still an all ages mythology and I am glad that will will get some more adult like movies while most of the films and shows will still be for all ages. And yes, that means there will be lots in the movies and shows for kids.there always has been.

But if you were paying attention in Rogue One the Rebels were attacking the Empire but in small ways and different cells started off in different ways. In season one we hear Tarkin talk about how the Rebels on Lothal were more restrained than most other cells with more principles and we see that the Alliance did in fact do many "dirty acts" before the attack on Scarif. But Saw was even more cruel than most. (Probably didn't care as much if innocent civilians got hurt while the Rebels avoided getting civilians hurt.)

But I think you're looking into it too much and see the two different forms of media as too big of a leap to see the similarities. It is the same story, all of it. Whether it be book, cartoon or movie it's all one story, one mythology. But some formats they have to pull the punches because of the audience. But remember Disney may have Rebels geared to a younger audience a lot of the time but Disney, not Lucas, gave us Rogue One which is the most adult Star Wars film yet. They know how to entertain people of all ages and I am happy so far with what Disney has done with the franchise.

Also it should make fans happy knowing that movie writers sit with those who write the shows and books to make the Galaxy all fit together in one story unlike the old legends books of the EU that contirdicted itself almost every book released because there was no communication between authors and screen writers. It was a bloody mess.

Still don't understand why aging fans (hey I just hit my mid-forties so I'm getting up there too) still have a hard time understanding Star Wars has always been a story that is family friendly. The original movie, named just Star War not a New Hope episode IV, was advertised as a kid's science fiction movie in 77. I know because I saw it opening weekend. (I was shocked when Empire Strikes Back was episode V because I hadn't seen the first film since it was released and when I first saw it the opening scroll said nothing about episode IV. They changed that a year before ESB from my understanding.) So yeah, kid's movie. We don't need to have it become an adult themed franchise now because we got old, let it be silly at times and have fun with it. That's what it's for, to have fun.

Rebels is a cartoon for KIDS.

Sure, it shares the same setting as Rogue One, but there the similarities end.

And that's fine. A setting as large and diverse as SW can encompass many different genres and styles or storytelling. It doesn't all have to be war movies like Rogue One - or kid cartoons like Rebels. It can easily be both.

Well I'm also a father and I am looking at Star Wars through my inner child. Having a kid makes Star Ward a 100 times more fun. (Nothing like building a Lego Tie Striker while watching Rebels with my son.)

When I want my adult fix I watch Game of Thrones when my son is not around. So I enjoy Star Wars for what it is, a story told for mostly a younger audience but is still fun for adults. Because face it, everyone here watched Star Wars as a kid and that is why it is so special to us. It connects with our younger self. Why change that? You may have grown up, but Star Wars is still a story that children should be able to enjoy. If all the episodes were like the fantastic ending to season two it would be too intense for younger audiences like my son and I would be upset because my son wouldn't be into it. He needs comedy relief and a break in the tension because he is a normal mentally healthy kid and they need that. Even we need a break too if we have healthy minds. Hence why I watch Star Wars and Marvel movies and not just Game of Thornes and intense dramas. I need some fun to my life.

i haven't watched any Rebels yet (boo, hiss). But i really appreciate that Disney is making good on their commitment that all the new stories are canon and can directly affect the films. This is a great nod to the people working on the various parts of the Star Wars universe and i think it adds an incentive to put out good ideas worthy of appearing in the films.

I'm not sure why people are arguing that Rebels and Rogue One are incompatible. Is it just because the nature of the Rebellion seems either incoherent or multifarious?

If so, that's because it's a rebellion; not a solid single organization. While the Rebellion might want to be cohesive, that's not generally the nature of rebellions. Even George Washington's rebellion was not as coherent and cohesive as the gradeschool history books make us believe.

If it were coherent and unified, I'd be disappointed. I'm perfectly happy with the way they've portrayed it, and I don't see much in the way of irreconcilable differences.

And more points to show the timing and such:

Pablo gave out some info in the latest Rebels Recon:

1: Currently Rebels is 2 years prior to the events of Rogue 1.

2: When the Rebels encounter Saw Gerrera on Geonosis, it's 2 years after Jyn Urso left his group.