Hi, I was considering making several lists with an additional group elite Gamorrean Guards and Weequay Pirates. Not sure why these expansions only come out with one elite card.

Is there any way to get only the elite cards?

I would probably have to print out a copy and sleeve it if anything - just doubtful if tournaments would accept it.

All expansions only came with 1 elite. In campaigns you can only have what comeshe in the boxed expansions so 2 grey and 1 elite stormtrooper for example even if you brought the villian pack for stormtroopers.

Some people sell individual cards ebay etc.

It's a common problem that every skirmish player hates with a burning passion equal to the fire of a million suns.

They've done the same thing for every boxed expansion. They either don't care at all or they expect people to buy a whole second expansion box for a single piece of cardboard.

It's a universally despised issue and I think you'll struggle to find an opponent or TO who'll complain about printed or proxy cards.

Generally the best bet for tournaments is to just borrow the card, but I've been running printed cards (for example the imperial officers which were changed in an Errata) without any problems. I keep these sleeved with the original ones but still, it's a printed card, and probably, technically not allowed.

FFG expects tournament players to fund the game by purchasing duplicate box expansions. And they do.

I doubt many players would object to a printed card but if you are concerned then just borrow for the official events. I guess FFG compensates in some capasity with alt art cards.

the only official events that will prevent you from using a printed out card are national championships and worlds. If you're serious enough to go to one of those events, you should have enough friends who play the game that you can borrow the card you need.

I've never seen a local event that has enough players to eject someone for using a printed card. If they DO eject you for not having the card, you shouldn't support that store with your business.

I've never seen a local event that has enough players to eject someone for using a printed card. If they DO eject you for not having the card, you shouldn't support that store with your business.

If a Retailer is found to be allowing people to Wantonly breach the OP Rules, and someone reports it to FFG - not only can the player be banned from future OP events, but the Store itself can be Sanctioned of they are found to be implicit in it... In sanctioning a store, they can find their discount bandings removed, OP stock witheld, and in some case, even lose Retailer Status with FFG...

Of course, all of that is "Worst case" scenario. It would rely on a lot of people essentially "being a bad guy"...

But the potential is there.

I've never seen a local event that has enough players to eject someone for using a printed card. If they DO eject you for not having the card, you shouldn't support that store with your business.

If a Retailer is found to be allowing people to Wantonly breach the OP Rules, and someone reports it to FFG - not only can the player be banned from future OP events, but the Store itself can be Sanctioned of they are found to be implicit in it... In sanctioning a store, they can find their discount bandings removed, OP stock witheld, and in some case, even lose Retailer Status with FFG...

Of course, all of that is "Worst case" scenario. It would rely on a lot of people essentially "being a bad guy"...

But the potential is there.

Isn't that like saying you shouldn't cross the street because the potential is there to get hit by a bus...

The stores priority should be to build the game, allowing a minor amount of wiggle room to do that isn't going to upset a company. If the store was encouraging you to test out new builds by using matchstick stormtroopers that's a bit different.

Your best bet with regards to bringing proxy materials to any tournament, is to clear it with the organizers ahead of time.

You know that the tournament rules document specifically calls this out, so showing up with proxies in hand may not go over too well with the people there, or they might not care at all. I suppose it depends on the level of play, the size of the player base and how serious they are.

I"ll say this though; we're all adults here, in theory, so be proactive. Ask ahead about proxy cards. Bring a backup list to play if someone objects, which they are more than within their rights to do.

For buying the second expansion box, yes it's a downer to spend money on another box for just that one elite card, but think of it more in terms of doubling down on all the deployment groups. In the miniatures gaming world, the cost of the Jabba box alone is close to what you could sell a Rancor for on its own. And let's be real, having a second Rancor isn't the worst thing you could do when collecting this game.

Ultimately, if you go to a second hand source like eBay to get that one elite card, it's probably coming with the models, and you'll be paying to ship it. I'd imagine that's going to be at least a $20 investment, all in. So now you better not want to buy anything else in that box because the cost would quickly catch up to the cost of just buying a second box.

I'll say this; with Bespin it seems like FFG got more sensible with doubling down on box sets. Bespin and Jabba will give you 1 elite and 2 regular of the deployment groups, so 2 boxes will give you a full set of 2 elite and 4 regular, allowing you whatever combination you want for skirmish.

Prior to that it was 1 and 1, so if you wanted 3 units of regular HK's, buying a second Hoth box wasn't going to cover you. You'd still need to source out that third HK card.

I'm not saying it's perfect now, but the last two boxes moved the needle back towards sensible, far more than it was prior.

Borrow. From friends also playing the game or from people going to the event.

If proxies are not allowed, and there a good reasons why they might not, the second best solution to having to buy an entire big box for something you rarely need, is to borrow. I've yet to see anyone being turned down when they politely ask - best in advance - if they could borrow an extra deployment card or some such from another participant.

To add to Cremate's point, in my experience the community for this game is generally pretty welcoming. Even if you don't know anybody, the event you're going to likely has some sort of Facebook page or other central site online. Just post that you're attending and would like to borrow a card for the event, and I'm sure someone will step forward to help you out.

Within our group we proxy when practicing then borrow cards for an event. For example one of the guys wants 3 Vader's Finest for the upcoming Regionals, funnily enough he doesn't want to buy 3 packs of Stormtroopers so he's borrowing 2 copies from those of us not running it

I've never seen a local event that has enough players to eject someone for using a printed card. If they DO eject you for not having the card, you shouldn't support that store with your business.

If a Retailer is found to be allowing people to Wantonly breach the OP Rules, and someone reports it to FFG - not only can the player be banned from future OP events, but the Store itself can be Sanctioned of they are found to be implicit in it... In sanctioning a store, they can find their discount bandings removed, OP stock witheld, and in some case, even lose Retailer Status with FFG...

Of course, all of that is "Worst case" scenario. It would rely on a lot of people essentially "being a bad guy"...

But the potential is there.

Isn't that like saying you shouldn't cross the street because the potential is there to get hit by a bus...

Not exactly.

Its like saying you shouldn't run blindly across a Highway which are clearly signed "No Pedestrians" because there is a potential to get hit by a Bus...

Its not just crossing the street. The difference is, basically, legality.

... Regardless of how you try to trivialise it, its against the written law. You may not agree with the law, but the law is there.

Just like the Rule that you can only use Official FFG products is the Written Rule in the Tournament Regulations. There are exceptions for certain 3rd party products and property, but those are the listed exceptions only.

Again, most often, it is trivialised and people can and do get away with it - enforcing it is tough, and required a lot of burden of proof to be thrown around.

But the potential is there.

I've never seen a local event that has enough players to eject someone for using a printed card. If they DO eject you for not having the card, you shouldn't support that store with your business.

If a Retailer is found to be allowing people to Wantonly breach the OP Rules, and someone reports it to FFG - not only can the player be banned from future OP events, but the Store itself can be Sanctioned of they are found to be implicit in it... In sanctioning a store, they can find their discount bandings removed, OP stock witheld, and in some case, even lose Retailer Status with FFG...

Of course, all of that is "Worst case" scenario. It would rely on a lot of people essentially "being a bad guy"...

But the potential is there.

Isn't that like saying you shouldn't cross the street because the potential is there to get hit by a bus...

Not exactly.

Its like saying you shouldn't run blindly across a Highway which are clearly signed "No Pedestrians" because there is a potential to get hit by a Bus...

Its not just crossing the street. The difference is, basically, legality.

... Regardless of how you try to trivialise it, its against the written law. You may not agree with the law, but the law is there.

Just like the Rule that you can only use Official FFG products is the Written Rule in the Tournament Regulations. There are exceptions for certain 3rd party products and property, but those are the listed exceptions only.

Again, most often, it is trivialised and people can and do get away with it - enforcing it is tough, and required a lot of burden of proof to be thrown around.

But the potential is there.

Basically what i'm saying is that you should use your power as a consumer to penalize any stores that DO follow that rule, until FFG changes the tournament regulations. There is a *slight* chance they will get sanctions from FFG, but a *certain* chance they will lose your business. And FFG loses that business too, so its really not in their interest to enforce that rule.

Basically what i'm saying is that you should use your power as a consumer to penalize any stores that DO follow that rule, until FFG changes the tournament regulations. There is a *slight* chance they will get sanctions from FFG, but a *certain* chance they will lose your business. And FFG loses that business too, so its really not in their interest to enforce that rule.

So if I'm following your line of thinking correctly, you're suggesting that people take their deployment card frustration out on the hosting store for simply following the rules and taking your business elsewhere?

What about the opposite person who did acquire the necessary components to properly play the game and did so with a monetary investment? If I'm at the store and the person working there sells me an official FFG map for ISB Headquarters so I don't have to bring the tiles, but then turns around and allows someone who didn't buy the expansion to get the tiles use a cheap print out, wouldn't I feel like I wasted my money?

Would I not then feel like the store took advantage of me, knowing they would cave and let people bring whatever they want?

Ultimately the no proxies rule is designed to not only cynically sell more product, but to stop the slippery slope of concessions and exceptions. You have to draw the line somewhere, and they did. Also, considering the state of Skirmish currently, you can do quite well for yourself list wise without needing to double up on box sets. If you absolutely HAVE TO have that extra deployment group, then there's going to be a cost of entry to make certain lists, but by no means are you locked out of the top tier builds.

Bantha

Bossk

HK's

Tuskens

Gideon

C-3P0

Temporary Alliance

That should be more or less a decent Mercenaries build that doesn't require doubling up. I think there's a point or two left to fill in with upgrades.

Imperials could do

Blaise

2x Elite Stormtrooper

Heavy Stormtrooper w/Targeting Computer

2x Officer

Cross Training

(some other upgrade)

But again, that's where the game is at now. It's competitively accessible to people that are personally opposed to doubling up on box sets, but for those that do, they have a few more options available to them.

Am I saying that building a list around 2 Rancors each with Feeding Frenzy is a smart idea? Not at all, but I can promise you I'll have fun not only playing it, but looking at it on the table.

We were going to buy 3 copy's of Jabba's Realm, just to run a triple Rancor list, anyway, right?