Chirrut Îmwe

By Tirisilex, in Star Wars: Force and Destiny RPG

Just because he isn't Force sensitive, therefore can't use the Force, doesn't mean that the Force can't move through him. When he chants his mantra, he is literally trying to open himself to the Force and trusting that it would let him get what he needed to get done. Legends material showed that Jedi training is mostly mundane: intense physical training, meditation exercises, emotional stability exercises, etc. It isn't explicitly said in TCW, Rebels, and the films what the training regimen is but there are examples of mundane training enhancing their ability to use the Force. Obi-wan telling Anakin to calm himself and take a breath before going into the bar. Luke trying to enter a meditative state while hanging upside down in the wampa cave. These are all things that real live humans in the real world can do.

By making himself receptive, maybe, just maybe, the Force might be able to tell him something useful.

He isn't http://www.starwars.com/databank/chirrut-imwe

Deeply spiritual, Chirrut Îmwe believes all living things are connected through the Force. His sightless eyes do not prevent him from being a highly skilled warrior. Though he lacks Force abilities, this warrior monk has rigorously honed his body through intense physical and mental discipline.

The comments he makes about the Force and things like picking the crystal out of the crowd really kind of belie that bio. I think there's a couple of ways to look at it:

1. The bio is just plain wrong. Either because of a miscommunication, or because of shifting storylines (maybe the rewrites made him more explictly mystical), it doesn't really fit the character seen in the movie.

2. The bio meant that Chirrut has no explicit Force powers. That is to say, he can't levitate objects or Mind Trick someone because he can't channel the Force outside his own body. However, he CAN use the Force to "see" things around him (particularly things that stand out like kyber crystals or the Dark Side) to help him fight, gains the occasional flash of insight, and, if he really concentrates, 'find' a safe path through a warzone.

3. The weird option: technically, anyone in the Star Wars universe can make themselves like Chirrut and cultivate a Sensitivity to the Force. You'll never swing a lightsaber around or throw rocks at people, but you can still perform feats that aren't physically probable with regularity and the like.

Wasn't that sentence of him not being force sensitive declared old and inaccurate? I think i read he was defined as force sensitive somewhere after the film came out.

What we see in the movie is clearly and obviously him using the force, in subtle ways to help himself because no ordinary blind man could do what he does.

He isn't http://www.starwars.com/databank/chirrut-imwe

Deeply spiritual, Chirrut Îmwe believes all living things are connected through the Force. His sightless eyes do not prevent him from being a highly skilled warrior. Though he lacks Force abilities, this warrior monk has rigorously honed his body through intense physical and mental discipline.

The comments he makes about the Force and things like picking the crystal out of the crowd really kind of belie that bio. I think there's a couple of ways to look at it:

1. The bio is just plain wrong. Either because of a miscommunication, or because of shifting storylines (maybe the rewrites made him more explictly mystical), it doesn't really fit the character seen in the movie.

2. The bio meant that Chirrut has no explicit Force powers. That is to say, he can't levitate objects or Mind Trick someone because he can't channel the Force outside his own body. However, he CAN use the Force to "see" things around him (particularly things that stand out like kyber crystals or the Dark Side) to help him fight, gains the occasional flash of insight, and, if he really concentrates, 'find' a safe path through a warzone.

3. The weird option: technically, anyone in the Star Wars universe can make themselves like Chirrut and cultivate a Sensitivity to the Force. You'll never swing a lightsaber around or throw rocks at people, but you can still perform feats that aren't physically probable with regularity and the like.

I believe it's option 3. The force is with him, but he is not force sensitive in the traditional Jedi sense. Just an extraordinary guy with a connection to the force like all beings have

I'm actually with 3, anything living can tap into the force , this much is clear from what Lucas has said. Chirrut had no force abilities though, this much is clear from the databank, but was more likely to follow his intuition, whether it was the force guiding him or he could use his remaining senses in a hyped up and almost supernatural way to figure out things, he clearly felt it was the force guiding him in his choices. The biggest thing you see when reading about Chirrut in the canon material is that phrase almost supernatural.

At the end of the day if LFL says he isn't FS then he isn't. It's an intriguing choice, to have a visually impaired character who doesn't need the Force to be awesome is a great thing. I think it's odd not to give him "superpowers" in a universe where those powers are the iconic thing and can explain so much of what he does. But both choices would be great for fans.

As for the RPG and character, there's ways around it, lots of narrative is important. High Cunning and Perception with the occasional DP could overcome the 4+ setback on every vision related check

With respect, I listen to the statements from Pablo and the LFL Story Group, and I’m willing to follow them only so far.

For me, Chirrut is Force-sensitive, but only mildly. He’s got a few Force-sensitive talents, but no Force powers, and a maximum Force Rank of 1.

As for his character development, if he had been a PC, then I would have allowed him to expand on those, but he’d have to find a convincing narrative that explains how that occurs.

As an NPC, he might gain more Force-sensitive talents, but his FR would never go above 1 and he would never gain any Force powers. That’s just the nature of who he is/was.

With respect, I listen to the statements from Pablo and the LFL Story Group, and I’m willing to follow them only so far.

For me, Chirrut is Force-sensitive, but only mildly. He’s got a few Force-sensitive talents, but no Force powers, and a maximum Force Rank of 1.

As for his character development, if he had been a PC, then I would have allowed him to expand on those, but he’d have to find a convincing narrative that explains how that occurs.

As an NPC, he might gain more Force-sensitive talents, but his FR would never go above 1 and he would never gain any Force powers. That’s just the nature of who he is/was.

I totally agree, and i think the Force sensitive emergent is the best spec for him with all the uncanny senses and uncanny reactions. Myabe combined with infiltrator or marauder could be a good fit if you don't want to give him shii-cho knight (which is the most fitting for his combat style i guess). I would actually allow him to have basic sense power as that seems to be easiest to develop with the minimum training (as did Luke in his first lesson with Obi-Wan).

And again i think Chirrut is definitely force sensitive.The images are more canon that LFL wrods and the images show a Force Sensitive person, but with very little training .LFL is actually becoming ridiculous the way they keep giving Chirrut gizmos and absurd abilities to explain his fighting without force sensitivity. If you are so uncannily sensitive, so aware of your surroundings and so uncannily reactive you are Force Sensitive in Star Wars. In Star Wars there is no Daredevil , there is the Force.

Edited by Lareg

I found a perfect description of Chirrut online: he can sense the Force but he can't bend it to his will.

I found a perfect description of Chirrut online: he can sense the Force but he can't bend it to his will.

link?

In episode 4 Obi Won was teaching Luke how to sense the force by putting a helmet on his head that suppressed his sight. Could Chirrut be doing the same thing? Thats how he can fight so well blind? I did read a site that said Chirrut could sense the Force but not bend it to his will.. Just as how Luke sensed the Force to see the training orb thing? just a thought.

The strange thing is , this is fantasy, you can view him , how you will, the fact that he has a number of pieces of equipment to overcome his disability sells it to me. He has an echo locator device and uses a kyber crystal in his staff to help with "visualisation". You can believe what you like but you cannot argue with canon. The story group of LFL decide that, and they have consistently said he wasn't Force Sensitive. They have however said he is attuned to the force, does that mean he had force sense, who knows?

In this game though even droids are attuned to the force as every character can use force points. This is even something Mr Hidalgo points out

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I found a perfect description of Chirrut online: he can sense the Force but he can't bend it to his will.

link?

Here, it's a discussion forum. look at the posts #6 and #9 http://boards.theforce.net/threads/chirrut-imwe-and-force-sensitivity.50043320/

@Syrah

Maybe LFL is using force attuned with the meaning fo force sensitive: ie he can feel the force and use it to help himself but he doesn't have enough training, or sensisbility to manipulate it (like with Move or Force leap, or influence).

Anyway where is this supposedly canon description of him using an echo locator and a kyber crystal in his staff? i only found the databank entry where it says Chirrut doesn't have force abilties (another very ambiguous descriptions: what are force abilities?).

I found a perfect description of Chirrut online: he can sense the Force but he can't bend it to his will.

link?

Here, it's a discussion forum. look at the posts #6 and #9 http://boards.theforce.net/threads/chirrut-imwe-and-force-sensitivity.50043320/

@Syrah

Maybe LFL is using force attuned with the meaning fo force sensitive: ie he can feel the force and use it to help himself but he doesn't have enough training, or sensisbility to manipulate it (like with Move or Force leap, or influence).

Anyway where is this supposedly canon description of him using an echo locator and a kyber crystal in his staff? i only found the databank entry where it says Chirrut doesn't have force abilties (another very ambiguous descriptions: what are force abilities?).

Actually Pablo Hidalgo responded to a bit question asking why there was conflicting information specifically that the Galactic Atlas says that he was attuned and another source says that he wasnt force sensitive. His reply was that there was - what do think attuned means and what makes you think that there is a conflict. So with this reply he is effectively saying that attuned and force sensitive are different and also that Chirrut isnt.

If you watch the film (or read the book) you cannot definitively say that he is Force Sensitive , similarly if you watch the film(or read the book) you cannotsay that he isnt either. LFL who ultimately decide what is canon say he isnt. TBH I would have said he was after watching the film (and did). When I was told he wasnt I relooked at the material, and there is absolutely nothing anywhere that contradicts what LFL is saying.

The only remaining query I have from it , is what exactly do they mean by attuned, and if everyone is attuned, why point out that Chirrut is.

I found a perfect description of Chirrut online: he can sense the Force but he can't bend it to his will.

link?

Here, it's a discussion forum. look at the posts #6 and #9 http://boards.theforce.net/threads/chirrut-imwe-and-force-sensitivity.50043320/

@Syrah

Maybe LFL is using force attuned with the meaning fo force sensitive: ie he can feel the force and use it to help himself but he doesn't have enough training, or sensisbility to manipulate it (like with Move or Force leap, or influence).

Anyway where is this supposedly canon description of him using an echo locator and a kyber crystal in his staff? i only found the databank entry where it says Chirrut doesn't have force abilties (another very ambiguous descriptions: what are force abilities?).

Actually Pablo Hidalgo responded to a bit question asking why there was conflicting information specifically that the Galactic Atlas says that he was attuned and another source says that he wasnt force sensitive. His reply was that there was - what do think attuned means and what makes you think that there is a conflict. So with this reply he is effectively saying that attuned and force sensitive are different and also that Chirrut isnt.

If you watch the film (or read the book) you cannot definitively say that he is Force Sensitive , similarly if you watch the film(or read the book) you cannotsay that he isnt either. LFL who ultimately decide what is canon say he isnt. TBH I would have said he was after watching the film (and did). When I was told he wasnt I relooked at the material, and there is absolutely nothing anywhere that contradicts what LFL is saying.

The only remaining query I have from it , is what exactly do they mean by attuned, and if everyone is attuned, why point out that Chirrut is.

He's attuned in that he can "hear" (for want of a better term) what the Force has to tell him. ("Pssst. Over to your right. There's a girl with a kyber crystal necklace. You should say something." "Step now...and now...wait...now."). Most can't even do that.

The only remaining query I have from it , is what exactly do they mean by attuned, and if everyone is attuned, why point out that Chirrut is.

That would be my question right now as well. Because to me, 'attuned' just sounds like 'weakly Force Sensitive.' A Tyria Sarkin, to pull from Legends. 'Attuned but not Force Sensitive' a bit of a BS distinction to me, Sensitive is Sensitive. You don't have to be able to go around flipping tanks and wiping minds to qualify.

For me attuned means he can sense the Force but can't manipulate it because he hasn't had any training in that area or is too weak in the Force to get to that level.

I find a surprisingly lack of empathy or encouragement for how others choose to play a fictional character at their game tables.

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The only remaining query I have from it , is what exactly do they mean by attuned, and if everyone is attuned, why point out that Chirrut is.

That would be my question right now as well. Because to me, 'attuned' just sounds like 'weakly Force Sensitive.' A Tyria Sarkin, to pull from Legends. 'Attuned but not Force Sensitive' a bit of a BS distinction to me, Sensitive is Sensitive. You don't have to be able to go around flipping tanks and wiping minds to qualify.

I would say attuned is a strong connection but no training.

I kinda wonder if the story here is he's what we would call "force sensitive" but they didn't want to use that term with the unwashed masses for fear of some half-muled journalist calling him a "Jedi" and messing up the marketing.

Don't want people panning the movie because they went in expecting Jedi in white hats hoping around and being goody goodies and instead they got a war movie in space with good guys that commit homicide.

I kinda wonder if the story here is he's what we would call "force sensitive" but they didn't want to use that term with the unwashed masses for fear of some half-muled journalist calling him a "Jedi" and messing up the marketing.

Don't want people panning the movie because they went in expecting Jedi in white hats hoping around and being goody goodies and instead they got a war movie in space with good guys that commit homicide.

I really hope thats the reason and explanation. FS Emergent Marauder (Or Infiltrator, Martial Artist) with Sense ticks a lot of the boxes.

Edited by Richardbuxton

Or Marauder/Force sensitive exile with sense basic power

Yep, take your pick between Underworld/Streetwise/Social/Skullduggery or Grit/Toughened/Stealth. But that extra defence sure is appealing.

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He isn't

http://www.starwars.com/databank/chirrut-imwe

Deeply spiritual, Chirrut Îmwe believes all living things are connected through the Force. His sightless eyes do not prevent him from being a highly skilled warrior. Though he lacks Force abilities, this warrior monk has rigorously honed his body through intense physical and mental discipline.

The comments he makes about the Force and things like picking the crystal out of the crowd really kind of belie that bio. I think there's a couple of ways to look at it:

1. The bio is just plain wrong. Either because of a miscommunication, or because of shifting storylines (maybe the rewrites made him more explictly mystical), it doesn't really fit the character seen in the movie.

2. The bio meant that Chirrut has no explicit Force powers. That is to say, he can't levitate objects or Mind Trick someone because he can't channel the Force outside his own body. However, he CAN use the Force to "see" things around him (particularly things that stand out like kyber crystals or the Dark Side) to help him fight, gains the occasional flash of insight, and, if he really concentrates, 'find' a safe path through a warzone.

3. The weird option: technically, anyone in the Star Wars universe can make themselves like Chirrut and cultivate a Sensitivity to the Force. You'll never swing a lightsaber around or throw rocks at people, but you can still perform feats that aren't physically probable with regularity and the like.

4. The makers of the movie don't give a crap about following any real rules about force sensitivity or powers, and just make characters how they want to progress their story. And to hell with our archetypes.

I'm sorry, but I call rubbish on him not being force sensitive. Being force sensitive isn't being a Jedi; he clearly has some sixth sense that allows him to navigate his environment. It is clearly a different connection to what most common people experience (he clearly treats the force as a deity and is guided by it, rather then using it directly) but he can still feel it therefore he is. I am tired of the preconception that a boring Mcbeard face Jedi and his cohort of emotionally distant paladins is the only valid way of making a force sensitive monk.

Hence I believe it's simply a marketing strat so that the ignorant don't go "lul thur be jedai in dis movie 'ere."

I'm sorry, but I call rubbish on him not being force sensitive. Being force sensitive isn't being a Jedi; he clearly has some sixth sense that allows him to navigate his environment. It is clearly a different connection to what most common people experience (he clearly treats the force as a deity and is guided by it, rather then using it directly) but he can still feel it therefore he is. I am tired of the preconception that a boring Mcbeard face Jedi and his cohort of emotionally distant paladins is the only valid way of making a force sensitive monk.

Hence I believe it's simply a marketing strat so that the ignorant don't go "lul thur be jedai in dis movie 'ere."

That might be correct, but I do sort of love how it portrays the Force as something of a sadistic dic* power. "Sure, I'll just walk him out there, protecting him from every shot that might stop him.....and then let him die after his use to me has been accomplished. Good job puppet! You pushed a button! Now DIE!" I mean, couldn't he have had a nice combat scene? Fighting his way through a group of troopers? Maybe creating an opening for his allies to relocate, defying all logic and physics as he ducked blaster shots, melee strikes, etc, showing us again his combat prowess, despite his blindness, and then hitting the switch? No, he just....walks 20 feet, pushes a button, and then gets pwn blasted like he got punked on some prank show.

It just, really annoyed me watching it.