Which Character career would Chirrut Îmwe be?

Mystic. Probably starting in Seer, with Makashi Duelist as a second spec. His weapon is that "walking stick" from (I think) Nexus of Power that uses the Lightsaber skill.

I would probably guess Marauder.

The blind aspect is a touchy subject (as discussed in other threads), Were it my game, I would just call that flavor text and not bother to dip into any Force Sensitive specs.

The only really forcey things we see him do is talk about the dark side when a person is about to murder, and speculating about Jyn's crystal necklace. All that could be generous use of metagame knowledge that the player translates to in-game dialog. So were I to roll up this character, I wouldn't bother with wasting XP that may not translate into anything mechanical.

But I'm also a firm believer in the power of flavor text. So YMMV.

He doesn't really fit any of the single specs we have, Melee with Parry and Ranged Heavy requires 2 Specs at the moment, then add to that he seems rather strong in the Force. I thought he should be a Guardian too, given what he was supposed to have been, So here is my idea, but definitely not the only way:

Start is Human Soresu Defender. Brawn, Agility, Intellect and Willpower all get 3's. buy everything but the 3 Reflect talents, Improved Reflect and Strategic Form. This gives the character everything they need to handle the Melee fighting. Intellect gets bumped to 4 I think, although there's an argument for Willpower or Brawn too. I'm fairly sure his staff is not a Lightsaber which then means he can't use Defensive Circle either and the actual Soresu Technique is a tax. If it does turn out to be a strange kind of Saber then all the better.

Next is to pick up Sage, there is so much here that fits his character, One with the Universe, The Force is My Ally and the two Force Rating talents are most important.

He needs to have ranks in Melee, Lore and probably Ranged Heavy for that shot on the Tie. Then there needs to be some Force Powers, Sense and Farsight seem appropriate. With Farsight I feel he probably pours his Force Points into the 2 Duration upgrades, hoping to have 5-7 rounds of vision. The trouble is he also seems to be always benefiting from the Sense defensive (and possibly even offensive) Control upgrades. So every Combat he spends the first round getting his vision on, he either spends a second round committing to Sense or maintains a dice committed to Defence most of the time. Then sometimes committing to offence as well such as when he decides to shoot a Tie out of the sky. Out of combat he can get buy with basic Farsight and basic Sense powers.

Now there are many other ways this character could be made. Farsight and Sense are always the key Force Powers. But Ataru/Sage is a good alternative combination, so is Shi-Cho/Sage in fact it's probably my favourite for the Multiple Opponents talent. If that staff is somehow a Lightsaber then Niman/Sage is an even better choice for the Force Rating since he really could do with a 4 to allow him to keep a dice committed to Sense most of the time and still be able to get a consistent 5 or so minutes of Farsight vision. Hunter has a lot to offer this character too, but I just don't think the theme fits well enough. Protector is again another cool choice but Force Protection is horribly underwhelming compared to Sense so I don't think it works.

But I feel like there could be other Specialisations on the horizon that fit better than some of these. The Martial Artist in the bounty hunter book is interesting.

I don't think he's force sensitive tbh

I don't think he's force sensitive tbh

Really? He hit a TIE fighter with his bow, fights like a sighted person with his staff, randomly has insights like "that guy in the next cell over is important", talks about seeing the force flow darkly around someone, picks out Jyn's necklace crystal out of a busy crowd, walks unharmed through a barrage of blaster fire while explicitly concentrating on the Force...Any one of those things would be a "could be, could not be" type of situation, but all of them together make him a pretty solid Force User (not just Sensitive). He's not Jedi-trained (probably), but he's definitely throwing around more than 1 Force die.

I don't think he's force sensitive tbh

But I do understand that it's not necessary, it just seems like a waste not to in the Star Wars universe.

He isn't

http://www.starwars.com/databank/chirrut-imwe

Deeply spiritual, Chirrut Îmwe believes all living things are connected through the Force. His sightless eyes do not prevent him from being a highly skilled warrior. Though he lacks Force abilities, this warrior monk has rigorously honed his body through intense physical and mental discipline.

He is most certainly Force sensitive, there is no other way to explain his knowledge of Jyn's crystal and him knowing Cassina was about to kill Galen. Also the Force really helps him pull off his combar moves, especially the shots.

He is probably untrained so i would guess a spec like force sensitive emergent works well, with the multiple uncanny senses and uncanny reactions.

I think he is a Shi-cho knight/Seer/FsE. As for Force powers i'd guess mainly Sense with at least a couple of defense control upgrades, he might have enhance to improve coordination and maybe Brawn, and probably has farsight (but i guess that with a well developed Sense hi could do without it). Farsight would only be activated during combat.

I wouldn't be surprised if the staff he uses is the training stick from NoP, but it could also be a normal melee weapon.

He isn't

http://www.starwars.com/databank/chirrut-imwe

Deeply spiritual, Chirrut Îmwe believes all living things are connected through the Force. His sightless eyes do not prevent him from being a highly skilled warrior. Though he lacks Force abilities, this warrior monk has rigorously honed his body through intense physical and mental discipline.

The comments he makes about the Force and things like picking the crystal out of the crowd really kind of belie that bio. I think there's a couple of ways to look at it:

1. The bio is just plain wrong. Either because of a miscommunication, or because of shifting storylines (maybe the rewrites made him more explictly mystical), it doesn't really fit the character seen in the movie.

2. The bio meant that Chirrut has no explicit Force powers. That is to say, he can't levitate objects or Mind Trick someone because he can't channel the Force outside his own body. However, he CAN use the Force to "see" things around him (particularly things that stand out like kyber crystals or the Dark Side) to help him fight, gains the occasional flash of insight, and, if he really concentrates, 'find' a safe path through a warzone.

3. The weird option: technically, anyone in the Star Wars universe can make themselves like Chirrut and cultivate a Sensitivity to the Force. You'll never swing a lightsaber around or throw rocks at people, but you can still perform feats that aren't physically probable with regularity and the like.

He isn't

http://www.starwars.com/databank/chirrut-imwe

Deeply spiritual, Chirrut Îmwe believes all living things are connected through the Force. His sightless eyes do not prevent him from being a highly skilled warrior. Though he lacks Force abilities, this warrior monk has rigorously honed his body through intense physical and mental discipline.

Huh, well how about that. Definitely going to need to see Martial Artist then, that's probably my best guess for him. Coordinated Dodge and Parry would both fit very well. Marauder is interesting but is all attack and no defence. Possibly a Marauder/Shi-Cho is the best current solution. High Brawn, Willpower and Cunning for Melee, Strain and Perception.

**POSSIBLE SPOILERS** (At what point can we dismiss with spoiler warnings?)

Very soon (if not already), Rogue One will financially eclipse anything FFG SWRPG has produced. Does Disney care about backwards compatibility from a character biography into an RPG? I doubt it. However, shortly after the movie releases, we get a Martial Artist in the Bounty Hunter career supplement. I think FFG is spot-on with its character options at just the right time.

Sure, Imwe did a lot of really impressive things, all while reciting a personal mantra. Shortly after he did these incredible things, really bad stuff happened. To me, at least, I can see his accomplishments originating from Destiny Point flips. His recitation adds the narrative flavor as to why the Light Side Point(s) flipped into Dark Side points, and their mission goes south for their character longevity.

To me, Imwe becomes much more tragic as a character who can do awesome things as a devote to the Church of the Force...and yet never has Force powers. Who would have taught him, anyway, on an Imperial-governed planet, after Order 66?

Am waiting to see this thread derail into a Han Solo vs Chirrut Imwe Force Sensitivity throwdown. We wouldn't even need to roll for initiative: Han shoots first while Chirrut readies his defenses.

Just to clarify the databank is canon. The visual guide by Pablo Hidalgo mentions a device he carries and is described

Echo-box transmitter assists in situational awareness

For a little further info

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/11/is-donnie-yens-rogue-one-character-chirrut-imwe-force-sensitive-or-not.html

If we accept that the previously-referenced character biography does indeed restrict Chirrut Imwe from having Force abilities, I think a lot of forum commentators will eat their hats. In a way, FFG SWRPG fans will have to build a narrative character without easiest access to the (Force) mechanics desired, if they earnestly want to build Imwe per canon. Nope- Disney didn't do it wrong; FFG did it right! This RPG pushes narrative play to describe outcomes more than dice pools or talents. If this wasn't the case, forum specialists wouldn't collectively admonish new characters to dump XP into characteristics over talents or Force powers. Instead, we allow narration to guide the game. Sure, a starting sharpshooter may not have their coolest talents in play right away, but that doesn't mean the character is worthless. We must allow for players to help dictate how the dice results affect the game outcome. We now have to really consider how much narrative fluff we use when building a story, not just a race to the next Force power or rating, or in this case...even access to a Force-talent tree (where those Force talents are taken).

Yes, Imwe did a lot of heroics, but I contend his situation magnified his need to be heroic. Likewise, Lando was just a gambling figurehead of Bespin until circumstances thrust him into action. Similarly, Han was just a very good pilot/drug smuggler until he faced a unique situation. Imwe could easily have been a depressed monk who never found a mentor to nurture his Force curiosities, but narrates his action under the guise of the Force. He thinks he can...he thinks he can...he thinks he can...he is one with the force...etc.

Really there was a LOT Of really bad things happening to our film heroes. Sounds like a lot of Light Side Destiny Points being flipped to compensate for blind setback dice. Sure, he accomplished something ah-maze-ing, but what happened next? Something really, really bad/worse.

However, could we build him using a FR1+ career/specialization, yet never take Force talents?

What happened to all of the naysayers who suggest we cannot/shouldn't build canonical characters?

Who would have taught him, anyway, on an Imperial-governed planet, after Order 66?

That's actually my reasoning for him being Sensitive: without training, these are the extent of his abilities. He might be able to reach higher points if he had been taken into the Jedi, which is tragic enough for me.

Considering Chirrut Imwe talked about sensing* the inner thoughts and workings of Cassian's mind while they were imprisoned, in addition to all the other impossible feats, if he wasn't "force sensitive" then the "will of the force" was that he do things that no other non-force sensitive, let alone blind person, could do. A blind man shoots down a ship intentionally that was probably a good mile away at the exact moment he needs to make it careen into an anti-air defense turret. If he were truly blind, he'd have been just as likely to miss or hit one of the X-Wings.

*I believe the exact line was "There is more than one type of prison. I sense you carries yours with you wherever you go." The line made Cassian stop and think for a moment, showing that Chirrut was correct. Considering he had 0 indication of Cassian's personality thus-far as they had just met and were dragged off to a prison together, it would seem logical to conclude that this was something that Chirrut literally sensed and not just the "I have an idea about this person based upon evidence shown by their actions" type of sense.*

IMO Chirrut is probably a Shii-Cho Knight with Sense, Farsight and maybe even the Seek power.

If we're going with the non-sensitive "canon", then I'd say he's probably the Martial Artist spec with a bunch of skills upgraded to compensate for the blindness crit.

Just to clarify the databank is canon. The visual guide by Pablo Hidalgo mentions a device he carries and is described

Echo-box transmitter assists in situational awareness

I also saw somewhere that it was mentioned that because his staff has a kyber crystal in its tip, and fhe Chirrut's hearing is that sensitive he can hear it's harmonic so that he can better utilize his staff in combat.

For a little further info

http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/11/is-donnie-yens-rogue-one-character-chirrut-imwe-force-sensitive-or-not.html

Thanks- those Tweets help build my case for a Destiny Point Flippin' narrative style of play.

"We agree I can flip a DP. As I do crazy-ridiculous things, I chant incessantly, 'I am One with the Force, and the Force is with me...

"Oh, I know I'm going to have setback dice to this action, which is why I remind our GM of my kyber crystal staff and my echo-box transmitter..

<<rolls dice>>

"Aaaand, I got two Triumphs! Yeah, I did that cool thing even better than I imagined. Give credit to the Force, though, as I always do."

gg

Yeah, the movie definitely strains credulity when it comes to what Chirrut does without Sensitivity as an explanation.

On the other hand, it's better than midichlorians.

I think trying to build him as a Marauder is forgetting that the career is supposed to be a defining feature of the character. That's why I say he's a Mystic; in personality and behavior, he's practically an archetypical Mystic. Other careers don't describe him nearly so well.

And, whatever his bio says, it's pretty clear he's Force-sensitive. He's just a minor Force-sensitive who never picks up (and probably isn't strong enough to pick up) any of the flashy powers.

Edit: Dear stars, the thread really moved while I was typing.

As for being able to sense Jyns kyber crystal, he uses one in his staff, because he can HEAR the kyber's harmonic. So scratch that one off as not being mystical.

As for Cassian , who is to say that he couldnt use his heightened senses to realise that Cassian was jacked up and getting ready for a kill. Was it the fact he wanted to go off with just Bohdi, was it because he was aggresive and on the defensive when people were talking to him , especially Jyn, was it because his hearing could pick up on Cassians heart beat and breathing rythyms, or was it intuition that you see day in and day out in normal life where all these things can be picked up.

Some people are really good at spotting those tells that people give off when they are lying. It doesnt take the force to figure out a lot of stuff. What he was doing isnt any more mystical than Sherlock Holmes deductions , it's just that in Sherlock films/tv/books they quantify the reasons Sherlock felt that way, is there something mystical about him, yes, but no more so than the Blind Swordsman Zatoichi that has been used as a trope in Star Wars on more than number of occasions. It's just up till now they put Jedi in that position and not a non FS.

I dont think that it was an accident that the character was made this way. The only person in the film with any inkling of force power was Lyra Erso. (Not counting Vader or Leia)

Unless Chirrut was lying, he literally could feel the force become dark around Cassian. Non-sensitives cannot feel the force like a sensitive could. At most, a non-sensitive would attribute it to having a good instinct or gut reactions that were usually correct (Han's "bad feeling about this" being an example of that.)

Regarding why K2 had a bad feeling, it's likely, because he's a strategist droid, he knew it was an illogical plan with a limited chance of survival but he simply used a phrase that he's heard organics use often, since he's a droid that tends to not always say the percentages of odds.

I think the biggest reason it's hard to think of Chirrut as not being a force-sensitive, at least for myself, is because he is the first instance of someone who performs tasks like this that is reported to be just a regular guy who believes in the force.

If this is the direction that they want to take with non-force sensitives, we should see some other characters in the canon like him in the future.

As of right now, with only Chirrut being the one & only instance of incredible, impossible feats & given that those who perform incredible, impossible feats in Star Wars are force-sensitive, the evidence points to him being more than likely force-sensitive, despite what is written by Pablo Hidalgo & the story group.

Basically, we need more evidence of non-sensitives being able to do stuff like shoot down a TIE Fighter with 1 shot from about a mile away in just the exact moment that it crashes into a tower, while blind to convince me that he is not force-sensitive.

1. That doesn't explain how he knew the other kyber crystal was in the necklace of a young woman, or how he was able to hear it over a crowd. Being blind is not a superpower. (Despite what Dardevil may think )

2. Again, being blind is not a superpower. You can't magically pick out someone's heartbeat with it, and anyone going into a dangerous situation is probably going to act like Cassian did, breathing heavily and being generally highstrung.

3. The thing is Sherlock is that we always see how he arrived at his deductions, and they make sense. Chiirut is making deductions far faster than Sherlock typically does, without the sharp eyes Sherlock typically does it with. He also explictly says "I sense", talks about how the Force flows darkly, and shoots TIE fighters out of the sky just in time for them to crash on a defensive emplacement.

Overall, what Chirrut does is far and away beyond what any blind person, or even any blind action hero can reasonably expect to do. The reason they put Jedi as Blind Swordsman Zatoichi is because that role has always been a mystical/magical one, so it only made sense to give it to characters with the mystical powers to make it work.

Im in the process of reading the book and this is the exchange

Chirrut - "Does he look like a killer"

Baze "No he has the face of a friend"

Jyn "who are we talking about"

Baze "Captain Andor"

Jyn "why do you ask that, does he look like a killer"

Chirrut "the force moves darkly near those that are about to kill"

K2s0 "Fascinating, his weapon was in it's sniper configuration"

This exchange is listed from the novel verbatim and is how I remember it from the two times I saw the film. Reading between the lines this actually makes me more positive he isnt remotely FS, because he needs to ask the others if Andor looks like a killer. He is just stating what he feels is a fact when he quotes the force. He is a zealot who believes in the force , what would you expect him to say.

Believe what you will , canon is that he isn't force sensitive. Fwiw I originally used the same justification that he was FS first time I watched the film. Is he remarkable..... yes. Is he force sensitive.... we see no evidence that he is, the only evidence we have is that he has faith in the force and the force controls his destiny and that of everyone from good ol Palps to Obi Wan to Jyn to an ant on the ground.

Im in the process of reading the book and this is the exchange

Chirrut - "Does he look like a killer"

Baze "No he has the face of a friend"

Jyn "who are we talking about"

Baze "Captain Andor"

Jyn "why do you ask that, does he look like a killer"

Chirrut "the force moves darkly near those that are about to kill"

K2s0 "Fascinating, his weapon was in it's sniper configuration"

This exchange is listed from the novel verbatim and is how I remember it from the two times I saw the film. Reading between the lines this actually makes me more positive he isnt remotely FS, because he needs to ask the others if Andor looks like a killer. He is just stating what he feels is a fact when he quotes the force. He is a zealot who believes in the force , what would you expect him to say.

Believe what you will , canon is that he isn't force sensitive. Fwiw I originally used the same justification that he was FS first time I watched the film. Is he remarkable..... yes. Is he force sensitive.... we see no evidence that he is, the only evidence we have is that he has faith in the force and the force controls his destiny and that of everyone from good ol Palps to Obi Wan to Jyn to an ant on the ground.

It's amazing how two people can read the same passage and come to a completely different conclusion: in my interpretation, Chirrut Sensed the dark emotions in Cassian, but isn't well trained (or very strong, or both) and so asked someone around him for more information to help confirm. He couldn't know it purely from the Force alone, but the Force gave him the nudge to Sense something was up.