Ok I was playing a game and my opponent had backdraft with an upgrade card that allowed 2 attacks out the aux arc. Can Backdraft add the crit. on both attacks?

Thanks.

Normally yes, Backdraft would be able to add a crit on both attacks, but what upgrade did he have that allowed a second attack out the rear?

Special Ops Training only allows an attack from the primary arc and an additional attack from the auxiliary arc. It doesn't allow two attacks from the auxiliary arc.

Hmmm... I'm gonna have to look at his upgrade card again, I do not recall what it was. I think it may have been the Special Ops ones, but not 100%. Thanks for pointing this out, I'll report back when I find out.

the title card allows an additional aux shot if the initial attack is with a primary weapon from the primary arc. If the first attack is with a rear arc then the title bonus of the additional attack does not apply.

It's not too hard to believe someone would miss-interpret Special Ops Training, since it's a really word-heavy card with a lot of options available to you. But as has been said, you can only ever fire once out of the rear arc of a Tie/SF per activation.

Special Ops Training only allows an attack from the primary arc and an additional attack from the auxiliary arc. It doesn't allow two attacks from the auxiliary arc.

Ok, thats the one is was - so it was played incorrectly... time for a rematch

Normally yes, Backdraft would be able to add a crit on both attacks, but what upgrade did he have that allowed a second attack out the rear?

So would your reply still stand? Can the crit. be added to both attacks (First out the primary and the second out the aux)?

Normally yes, Backdraft would be able to add a crit on both attacks, but what upgrade did he have that allowed a second attack out the rear?

So would your reply still stand? Can the crit. be added to both attacks (First out the primary and the second out the aux)?

If Backdraft ends up in a situation where the SAME target is both in his primary forward-facing and his auxiliary rear-facing arc, he would be able to do the double tap (First out the front, second out the rear) and add the Crit to each result.

The reason for this is that his ability only requires that the target be in your rear-facing arc, not attacking with only your rear-facing arc

Normally yes, Backdraft would be able to add a crit on both attacks, but what upgrade did he have that allowed a second attack out the rear?

So would your reply still stand? Can the crit. be added to both attacks (First out the primary and the second out the aux)?

If Backdraft ends up in a situation where the SAME target is both in his primary forward-facing and his auxiliary rear-facing arc, he would be able to do the double tap (First out the front, second out the rear) and add the Crit to each result.

The reason for this is that his ability only requires that the target be in your rear-facing arc, not attacking with only your rear-facing arc

I don't own Backdraft so I was trying to remember the wording - believe I got it now thank you.

- Backdraft: Add crit. when performing attack from Aux arc.

- Title Card: If you attack from prim arc, you can perform second attack from Aux Arc.

Normally yes, Backdraft would be able to add a crit on both attacks, but what upgrade did he have that allowed a second attack out the rear?

So would your reply still stand? Can the crit. be added to both attacks (First out the primary and the second out the aux)?

If Backdraft ends up in a situation where the SAME target is both in his primary forward-facing and his auxiliary rear-facing arc, he would be able to do the double tap (First out the front, second out the rear) and add the Crit to each result.

The reason for this is that his ability only requires that the target be in your rear-facing arc, not attacking with only your rear-facing arc

I don't own Backdraft so I was trying to remember the wording - believe I got it now thank you.

- Backdraft: Add crit. when performing attack from Aux arc.

- Title Card: If you attack from prim arc, you can perform second attack from Aux Arc.

There's a couple of interpretations running on these two cards at the moment. For Backdraft, some are thinking that if the defender is in your auxiliary arc AND your primary arc, then you can apply the crit result to either attack. Personally I think it should only apply when making an auxiliary arc attack against that ship. Only the FAQ will decide that one.

The other problematic interpretation is for the Special Ops Training and a few players are thinking that the second sentence "If you do not..." only applies if you didn't make a primary weapon primary arc attack, and made an auxiliary arc attack instead, then you qualify for a second auxiliary arc attack. Many more people believe this to be the wrong interpretation and that you can make a primary arc attack with an extra die or a standard primary arc attack and then an additional auxiliary arc attack. The release article actually supports this, but then there are the naysayers that say the articles have been known to be incorrect before, and therefore this one must incorrect as well. Once again, only the FAQ will decide it.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/7/18/special-ops/

Thanks Parravon, I agree with you regarding the addition of the crit. if defender is within both firing arcs - applies only to aux arc attack.

Also, I see where the confusion comes in regarding the SOT title. After reading the article and re-reading the card, I believe it is the "or".

- Perform attack from Prim. Arc with extra die

OR

- Perform standard attack from prim arc and an additional attack from Aux

Thanks Parravon, I agree with you regarding the addition of the crit. if defender is within both firing arcs - applies only to aux arc attack.

Also, I see where the confusion comes in regarding the SOT title. After reading the article and re-reading the card, I believe it is the "or".

- Perform attack from Prim. Arc with extra die

OR

- Perform standard attack from prim arc and an additional attack from Aux

That is perfectly correct.

Anyone saying otherwise is either trying to cheat you, is wrong or is one of those rules lawyering types we see so many of lately.

Thanks Parravon, I agree with you regarding the addition of the crit. if defender is within both firing arcs - applies only to aux arc attack.

That is perfectly correct.

Anyone saying otherwise is either trying to cheat you, is wrong or is one of those rules lawyering types we see so many of lately.

This is not perfectly correct. There is absolutely zero indication that if you have a front and back shot on the same target that you would not add crits on both attacks. Backdraft's ability does not read when firing FROM your rear arc, it only indicates that the target must be in your rear arc.

Agreed. Whether you're currently using an arc has no bearing on the condition of another ship being inside it or outside it (see outmaneuver, for example), and it's far from impossible for a ship to be in both arcs at once.

The most extreme case I've seen is someone managing to park quickdraw alongside a lothal rebel such that it was in the front and rear arcs. Unloading 12 rerolled attack dice in one turn at a zero-agility target was.....impressive to watch.

Agreed. Whether you're currently using an arc has no bearing on the condition of another ship being inside it or outside it (see outmaneuver, for example), and it's far from impossible for a ship to be in both arcs at once.

The most extreme case I've seen is someone managing to park quickdraw alongside a lothal rebel such that it was in the front and rear arcs. Unloading 12 rerolled attack dice in one turn at a zero-agility target was.....impressive to watch.

I am assuming that the player involved here used Rage action since that is the only way I can think of that could get you rerolls on all 12 dice. So that would mean they also had a focus token that could be used at any point during the 4 shots.

How about Fire Control System...

Almost certainly rage/baffles.

Got a reply from Frank Brooks regarding Backdrafts ability. Essentially if you have an enemy in both arcs, and attack out of the front and then the back, you can add a crit to each attack.

So it seems that what we want to be their intent is not always their intent... so we should stop assuming their supposed intent and just do what the card say...

I'd always agreed that as per the card text you'd add a crit to both!