If I have the following:

3 x Green Squadron Pilot (21)

Snap Shot

Juke

Shara Bey (37)

M9-G8

Weapons Engineer

Swarm Leader

And Shara target locks two A-wings, can M9-G8 be used to reroll the snap shot attack? I ask because my Local group is adamant that it won't work, yet the cards suggest it will. Keep in mind that "you" refers to the ship the card is attacked to.

Snap Shot says you "cannot modify" and in X-wing "cannot" is final.

Snap shot reads:

"After a ship performs a maneuver, you may perform this attack against this ship. You cannot modify your attack dice during this attack..."

Its clear that "you" on this card refers to the ship with Snap Shot equipped. That means Snap Shot doesn't prevent other ships from rerolling your attack dice (like an opponent with R7 astromech).

M9-G8 reads:

"When a ship you have locked is attacking, you may choose 1 attack die. The attacker must reroll that die..."

Its clear on M9-G8 that M9-G8 isn't just letting another ship reroll dice (like howlrunner or Captain Jonus), but is forcing a reroll in the same way that an opponent's R7 astromech would. Since "you" isn't a player, but rather a ship, I believe this enables M9-G8 to be used on snap shot rolls.

No. M9-G8 let's the attacking ship reroll: in this case a ship attacking with snapshot. And as already pointed out, a ship using snapshot cannot modify its attack. M9-G8 has no effect on a snapshot attack.

By that logic, an opponent couldn't use R7 or M9-G8 or Elusiveness on my snap shot reroll either.

"When a ship you have locked is attacking, you may choose 1 attack die. The attacker must reroll that die..."

So now we switch back to the attacker as the ship doing the modification (the reroll), and Snap Shot says "no".

If it was like Palpatine and he's the one doing the modification, then it would work, but M9-G8 specifiies the attacker , and that's where it becomes impossible.

If it's the opponent with the ability to modify then they can. But in the OP's question, it's a friendly ship with M9. In that instance, it has no effect.

Edit: So long as it's the opponent doing the mod and not forcing the attacker to mod.

By that logic, an opponent couldn't use R7 or M9-G8 or Elusiveness on my snap shot reroll either.

Correct. Snap Shot would successfully stop your modifications, except Palpatine.

Why palpatine? Palpatine modifies dice as well. Also, why does it being a friendly ship matter? The card says nothing about friendly and enemy ships, it merely says you. You in X-wing means a ship, not a player.

Because it's Palp doing the mod and not the attacker. Anything that forces the attacker to reroll (e.g. M9) can't work with snapshot because snapshot cannot be modified.

Ahah! I have you now!

Palpatine reads:

"Once per round, you may change a friendly ship's die result to any other result..."

Rephrased for "you":

"Once per round, this ship with Palpatine equipped may change a friendly ship's die result to any other result..."

Now, changing a die result s modifying the die, as the rules make clear. Again, M9-G8 says:

"When a ship you have locked is attacking, you may choose 1 attack die. The attacker must reroll that die..."

Rephrased for "you":

"When a ship this ship with M9-G8 equipped have locked is attacking, this ship with M9-G8 equipped may choose 1 attack die. The attacker must reroll that die..."

M9-G8 does the same thing as Palpatine, except M9-G8 rerolls the die result, and Palpatine changes the die result. Both are modifying the dice. As such, if Palpatine can modify a Black Squadron Pilot's snap shot roll, then M9-G8 can modify an A-wings snap shot roll.

"Once per round, you may change a friendly ship's die result to any other result..."

No. The ship with Palp is doing the modifying. A ship with M9 allows another ship to reroll one of its dice. But that ship won't be able to do that if the attack was snapshot because snapshot cannot be modified.

Palp does it himself; M9 lets/forces (depending if its friend or foe) a ship to reroll.

Bu the wording is identical. Rerolling and changing dice are two sides of the same coin. If you look at the wording of Captain Jonus, "when another friendly ship at range 1 attacks with a secondary weapon, it may reroll up to 2 attack dice." The wording there makes it clear that the ship performing the attack is doing the modifying, whereas M9-G8 makes it clear that the ship with M9-G8 is doing the rerolling.

No, M9 is only selecting the dice. It is the attacker that is doing the rerolling (you quoted the text yourself above). And in the case of snapshot, the attacker can't do it.

I really don't know how I can make this any clearer.

Yes, see your point. The attacker is the one rerolling the die. However, I'm not sure who the one "modifying" dice is - the one who forced the reroll, or the one doing the reroll.

The one doing the physical act is the modifier. Which is how Palp can get away with it (he is all powerful afterall).

Yeah, I get it now. It's sad, but I'll have to live without modifiers on my A-wing swarm.

You're wrong.

The one who chooses the die and forces the other to reroll is the one doing the modification.

That's the whole point behind Zuckuss (crew) not working with Omega Leader: the ship with Zuckuss chooses the dice and forces the other to reroll, and it IS the one doing the modification.

Who picks the dice and rerolls them is irrelevant.

This has now become meta-rules about who is truly modifying dice. I mean, are we even here? Do dice actually roll, or do we move around them, man?

In all seriousness, I'm just going to abstain from using the Snap-M9-G8 combo until the new FAQ comes out.

"The attacker must reroll that die."

The attacker is forced to modify its own dice. The attacking ship is thus the modifying agent. There isn't much more to this debate. If it were to be allowable with snapshot it would have to be worded 'Reroll that die' so that it was the ship employing the ability rerolling it.

And yes, this means that you can force Omega Leader to reroll an attack dice when she has you locked!

And yes, this means that you can force Omega Leader to reroll an attack dice when she has you locked!

If Omega Leader has you locked, there's nothing that can force OL to reroll other than Palpatine.

FAQ Page 12

If “Omega Leader” has an enemy ship locked, when that ship attacks or defends against “Omega Leader,” that ship cannot resolve abilities that would modify dice, even 0 dice, such as Keyan Farlander’s ability. Additionally, that ship cannot resolve abilities that cause “Omega Leader” to reroll his dice (such as R7 Astromech or Elusiveness), as these are abilities that modify dice .

This has now become meta-rules about who is truly modifying dice. I mean, are we even here? Do dice actually roll, or do we move around them, man?

In all seriousness, I'm just going to abstain from using the Snap-M9-G8 combo until the new FAQ comes out.

If it even makes it into the FAQ (which I doubt it will), it's not likely to change the fact that Snap Shot's attack dice cannot be modified. Snap Shot and M9-G8 are just not compatible.

Snapshot's attack dice can be modified. It cannot be modified by the ship that is attacking. It's a big difference.

"Additionally, that ship cannot resolve abilities that cause “Omega Leader” to reroll his dice (such as R7 Astromech or Elusiveness), as these are abilities that modify dice."

Read what you just quoted here. This is exactly why M9G8 in another friendly ship can modify snapshot's dice. You are saying it yourself:

"...abilities that cause [...] to reroll his dice [...] are abilities that modify dice."

So the one with M9G8 IS the one doing the modification. This clearly means that M9G8 can modify snapshot's dice, as clear as it means it cannot modify Omega Leader dice.

Both are limitations to modifications, so its both or neither.

Please stop with the "Palpatine is the only one who...". It was true for a while, but as new expansions come out, there can be other things that modify friendly ship's dice, as M9G8.

Okay, fair call, Pavarron. Thanks for highlighting the FAQ entry.

However...

Snap Shot does not say the dice cannot be modified. It says: "You cannot modify your attack dice."

If Omega Leader stops Elusive being used because it is the locked ship modifying dice (which I find an absurd ruling, but it is what it is), then wouldn't that directly imply that it is M9-G8 modifying the dice instead of the ship it has locked? I can't see why OL would be ruled that way unless the 'attacker rerolls that die' is purely a mechanical issue in terms of a player only ever rolling his own dice (the person who physically owns the die is the only one who gets to pick it up and roll/reroll it), but that would imply that it was in fact the acting ship doing the modifying.

I think FFG's ruling is somewhat the opposite of a clarification in this case. How it think it pans out is that the Omega Leader ruling is more of an errata, since it doesn't logically tie up with what's written on the card, and we'll just have to run to contradictory rulings side-by-side because we're told to.

It's not about who owns the dice. Its more like the attacker being the one who rolls and rerolls attack dice (and same with defender/defense dice).

It's not absurd that the ship with Elusive is the one doing the modification. That's why the "defender modify attack dice" step exists.

But you got it right. It directly implies that M9G8 is the one doing the modification.

It's not about who owns the dice. Its more like the attacker being the one who rolls and rerolls attack dice (and same with defender/defense dice).

It's not absurd that the ship with Elusive is the one doing the modification. That's why the "defender modify attack dice" step exists.

But you got it right. It directly implies that M9G8 is the one doing the modification.

Yep, as stated by FFG : "No abilities that involve rerolling your opponent’s dice have you roll them. Instead, we only phrase it with you choosing dice and your opponent rolling them. This is you modifying your opponents dice even though he or she is the one physically rolling the dice."

So because M9-G8 is the one doing the modification, the only things (that I can think of) that could block it are Accuracy Corrector and "Omega Leader" (when locked on to and attacking the ship with M9-G8). You should be able to use M9-G8 to reroll an attack die for a Snap Shot attack from a ship you have locked.