if you want a carrier more than a weapons boat, why wouldnt you use an older model if its large enough? outfit it with new engines and comms, call it a day. Nowhere near as much work as building a ship from scrap including a new design.

Venator is clone wars era ship, it has no place in the civil war themed Armada.

Except that so is the Arquitens -class. Both once commanded by Jedi.

Also the book Catalyst (set about 15 years before Rogue One as Jyn is about 5) has Tarkin's fleet reinforced by Venator's at one point

Well, the Arquitens-class appeared extensively in Rebels and was rebranded as the imperial light cruiser.

While there are fleeting references to Venators in the Empire, it's not nearly so open.

I think we might see a Venator, but I think it probably won't scale very well and can see passing on it.

I'd much rather see the white ISD.

One thing to keep in mind is that the distinct era boundaries were a by-product of Legends' messy continuity (as stated numerous times by Pablo Hidalgo on twitter). The idea that certain elements from the Clone Wars don't "belong" in the Galactic Civil War is outdated, as all canon stories are free to draw from the content and aesthetic of the PT/Clone Wars when developing new stories in the OT timeline. See: Marvel's comics series, James Luceno's novels, Rebels, Rogue One.

Does the Empire really need any new ships though? There's a reason that the ISD is so omnipresent.

I certainly do not post here a lot, but I skulk and read.

Yes, the empire most certainly DOES need just as much new stuff. Because there are a lot of folks out there like myself, who only buy one faction. And in a game like this, where I am already PO'd that certain upgrade cards only come with one faction or another but can be used by both, this really, really, really annoys me.

Now, I am not some young kid with a limited income, no, I am almost 50 yrs old, have a ton of money to spend. But ever since I was a little kid, loved the Empires ships, have multiple copies of LEGO's Imperial Start Destroyer in different scales (including the massive Super Star Destroyer).

This is not to say, I don't like the Rebels (Go Y-Wing!), I just don't want to play them, and am not happy my upgrade cards lack many awesome cards that are great for the Empire but can only be found in Rebel Packs (I'm looking at you Assault Proton Torpedoes!).

So, even if it meant buying an Imperial Ship just to get access to before unavailable Rebel-Pack only upgrade cards, count me in.

Does the Empire really need any new ships though? There's a reason that the ISD is so omnipresent.

I certainly do not post here a lot, but I skulk and read.

Yes, the empire most certainly DOES need just as much new stuff. Because there are a lot of folks out there like myself, who only buy one faction. And in a game like this, where I am already PO'd that certain upgrade cards only come with one faction or another but can be used by both, this really, really, really annoys me.

Now, I am not some young kid with a limited income, no, I am almost 50 yrs old, have a ton of money to spend. But ever since I was a little kid, loved the Empires ships, have multiple copies of LEGO's Imperial Start Destroyer in different scales (including the massive Super Star Destroyer).

This is not to say, I don't like the Rebels (Go Y-Wing!), I just don't want to play them, and am not happy my upgrade cards lack many awesome cards that are great for the Empire but can only be found in Rebel Packs (I'm looking at you Assault Proton Torpedoes!).

So, even if it meant buying an Imperial Ship just to get access to before unavailable Rebel-Pack only upgrade cards, count me in.

And yet, with the seemingly singular exception of Assault Proton Torpedoes - the cards are almost the other way around - there are more "Greatly desired" Cards for Rebels that are in Imperial Packs...

Reinforced Blast Doors - Arquitens

Flight Commander - Interdictor

Flight Controllers - Victory

... of course, this does nothing to relegate the problem. Merely relates the fact that its FFG's design intent and business plan to do so... And because of that fact - we're not going to see a "Solution" anytime soon...

Leading Shots and XI7s have both become Tournament Giveaway cards, and I can see some of the more popular others doing so... In time...

But for now - its their plan, and their moneymaking scheme.

While there are fleeting references to Venators in the Empire, it's not nearly so open.

"Fleeting references"? Episode III ends with Darth Vader, Tarkin, and the Emperor himself on the bridge of a Venator-class Star Destroyer watching the Death Star get constructed...

...you don't get much more "I'm a part of the Empire, now" than that ...

Lots of love for a new paint job, it would be difficult to make me but a 3rd ISD though, I'd really have to want the upgrades. Considering how rudimentary ffg paint jobs are (a few dark panels and a wash), hardly a sell point, imo.

Ventators look cool, I personally wouldn't care if they started flat out inventing ships. Screw canon, game on.

Does the Empire really need any new ships though? There's a reason that the ISD is so omnipresent.

I certainly do not post here a lot, but I skulk and read.

Yes, the empire most certainly DOES need just as much new stuff. Because there are a lot of folks out there like myself, who only buy one faction. And in a game like this, where I am already PO'd that certain upgrade cards only come with one faction or another but can be used by both, this really, really, really annoys me.

Now, I am not some young kid with a limited income, no, I am almost 50 yrs old, have a ton of money to spend. But ever since I was a little kid, loved the Empires ships, have multiple copies of LEGO's Imperial Start Destroyer in different scales (including the massive Super Star Destroyer).

This is not to say, I don't like the Rebels (Go Y-Wing!), I just don't want to play them, and am not happy my upgrade cards lack many awesome cards that are great for the Empire but can only be found in Rebel Packs (I'm looking at you Assault Proton Torpedoes!).

So, even if it meant buying an Imperial Ship just to get access to before unavailable Rebel-Pack only upgrade cards, count me in.

And yet, with the seemingly singular exception of Assault Proton Torpedoes - the cards are almost the other way around - there are more "Greatly desired" Cards for Rebels that are in Imperial Packs...

Reinforced Blast Doors - Arquitens

Flight Commander - Interdictor

Flight Controllers - Victory

... of course, this does nothing to relegate the problem. Merely relates the fact that its FFG's design intent and business plan to do so... And because of that fact - we're not going to see a "Solution" anytime soon...

Leading Shots and XI7s have both become Tournament Giveaway cards, and I can see some of the more popular others doing so... In time...

But for now - its their plan, and their moneymaking scheme.

Thanx for the input. Not being a REBEL player myself, I knew deep down there were issues the other as well, but having spent the last couple of days sorting my cards and providing "blank" spots for the missing cards I know there had to be some from the other point-of-View.

Big question tho, for Tourney's does a play have to provide the actual card or is a photocopy sufficient?

I know I for one would gladly plop down some $$$ for just a pack of upgrade cards.

Big question tho, for Tourney's does a play have to provide the actual card or is a photocopy sufficient?

I know I for one would gladly plop down some $$$ for just a pack of upgrade cards.

Absolutely 100% must be an actual component for Official Tournament Play.

Big question tho, for Tourney's does a play have to provide the actual card or is a photocopy sufficient?

I know I for one would gladly plop down some $$$ for just a pack of upgrade cards.

Absolutely 100% must be an actual component for Official Tournament Play.

That is pretty much what I thought.

I really don't see why the quasar model can't be multi faction & use card to differ, if indeed the 2 factions do differ.

The commando carrier from the x wing game is a cool looking ship. I'd also favour the vindicator and the now non-canon smaller interdictor. And of course Executor & Eclipse.

My guess is the same reason that you do not see Empire Neb-B's.

I dont recall ever seeing an Imperial Neb-B.

I really don't see why the quasar model can't be multi faction & use card to differ, if indeed the 2 factions do differ.

The commando carrier from the x wing game is a cool looking ship. I'd also favour the vindicator and the now non-canon smaller interdictor. And of course Executor & Eclipse.

My guess is the same reason that you do not see Empire Neb-B's.

I dont recall ever seeing an Imperial Neb-B.

In the EU most of the Rebel Neb-Bs were stolen from the Empire.

As an imperial player, I'm quite happy with what we got so far. I can see myself getting the SSD, but I have no real use for the ISD I or any of the possible variants. I own 2 ISDs and they're good enough models to represent just about any heavy triangular ship with a large base that FFG can think of.

Since I don't play in official tournaments I can pretty much proxy any card they might introduce in these possible ISD variants so at least I'll save some cash. Same with fighters. Now that I got the defender I don't think I need any other Imperial fighter, nor can I think of anything else they might add.

What I would spend money on are more campaigns. This is the content that I believe enriches the game for us non competitive tournament types and I'm hoping we'll get more of those.

I really don't see why the quasar model can't be multi faction & use card to differ, if indeed the 2 factions do differ.

The commando carrier from the x wing game is a cool looking ship. I'd also favour the vindicator and the now non-canon smaller interdictor. And of course Executor & Eclipse.

My guess is the same reason that you do not see Empire Neb-B's.

I dont recall ever seeing an Imperial Neb-B.

In the EU most of the Rebel Neb-Bs were stolen from the Empire.

I never bought much into the EU knowing that Lucas could handwave it away at any time, like what Disney did after they bought it.

I would really enjoy more titles. Give us a pack of imperial titles and a pack of rebel titles. That's easy money for you guys. I would also purchase an ISD I model, btw.

Maybe.

But that isn't really part of the Civil War.

My post was mainly directed at the person comparing the Arquitens with the Venator.

We've actually seen the Arquitens directly engage the Rebellion multiple times. The Venator has been pointedly ignored.

Don't get me wrong, if the ship scaled right, I'd buy it. I don't think it will, but I'm not against seeing a Venator. I'd rather have a white ISD, but that's just me.

While there are fleeting references to Venators in the Empire, it's not nearly so open.

"Fleeting references"? Episode III ends with Darth Vader, Tarkin, and the Emperor himself on the bridge of a Venator-class Star Destroyer watching the Death Star get constructed...

...you don't get much more "I'm a part of the Empire, now" than that ...

Agreed i'd buy a venator if they made one but i'd much prefer a white ISD I.

Ton-Falk class > Quasar Fire Class

My wishlist:

Wave 6 (Baby carriers and their body guard):

Imperium:

- Ton-Falk-class escort carrier

- Lancer Frigate

Alliance:

- Neutron Star-class Bulk Cruiser

- Quasar escort carrier

Wave 7 (Hit and run):

Imperium:

- Strike cruiser

- Imperial Fighter part III (Xg-1, TIE-Avenger, TIE-Defender, TIE-Phantom , TIE-Heavy Bomber, Imperial Recon: TIE Scout, TIE Vanguard)

Alliance:

- Mc40

Scum (Rebels, Pirates and others):

- Fighterpack ( Z-95 , T-Wing, R-41 Starchasers, Rebel Recon: Y-Wing Longprobe, Recon A-Wing)

Wave 8 (Its still a civil war afterall):

Imperium:

- Nebulon B2 and Imperial Nebulon-B

- System Patrol Craft

Alliance:

- Assualt frigate Mk.I

- CC 7700 frigate

Both sides

- Dreadnought

- Transport and shuttles ( Lambda Shuttl e,Delta-class JV-7 Escort shuttles, Delta-class DX-9 Stromtrooper transport,Gamma-class ATR-6 Assault transport, Beta-class ETR-3 Assault transport)

Wave 9 (patrols and raiders)

Imperium:

- Carrack Cruiser

- Tartan Cruiser

Alliance:

- DP20 Correllian Gunship

- Marauder

- Braha'tok-class gunship

Wave 10 (Narravtie for the win):

Freighters, minefields and stations wave
The Kessel Campaing Set

Wave 11 (Rebellion no longer):

New Republic:

- New Republic Fighters (E-Wing, K-Wing)

- Republic Star Destroyers

- Dauntless Cruiser

Wave 12 (Back to Civil War):

CIS:

-Lucrehulk-class

-Providence-class

-Recusant-class light destroyer

-Droid Fighter packs

Both Sides/ Old Republic:

- Venator Class

- Acclamator class

- Old Republic Fighters (Arc, Jedi-Fighter, V-Wing)

Wave 13 (Anybody keen on Civil war?):

First order
Resurgent-class Star Destroyer
Nebulon-K

TIE/fo and TIE/sf and other untl then appeared First order fighters

Resistance
Until then appeared captial Ships
Nebulon-K

Republic/Resistance Carrack Cruiser
T-70 X-Wing, T-85 X-Wing, B-Wing Mk. II

Wave 14 (The stories of the others)

Lesser Factions:
Mandalorian

Hapan
Chiss

Wave 15 (Real Scum)

Criminal Factions:

Hutt and Blacksun ships (destroyer size max.)

I really don't see why the quasar model can't be multi faction & use card to differ, if indeed the 2 factions do differ.

The commando carrier from the x wing game is a cool looking ship. I'd also favour the vindicator and the now non-canon smaller interdictor. And of course Executor & Eclipse.

My guess is the same reason that you do not see Empire Neb-B's.

I dont recall ever seeing an Imperial Neb-B.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but even in new cannon all Neb-B's are/were imperial but stolen/defected.

I really don't see why the quasar model can't be multi faction & use card to differ, if indeed the 2 factions do differ.

The commando carrier from the x wing game is a cool looking ship. I'd also favour the vindicator and the now non-canon smaller interdictor. And of course Executor & Eclipse.

My guess is the same reason that you do not see Empire Neb-B's.

I dont recall ever seeing an Imperial Neb-B.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but even in new cannon all Neb-B's are/were imperial but stolen/defected.

Nothing specifically states that in the New Canon, as of yet, as far as I can tell (but I will certainly stand corrected if need be)

There isn't any contradictory information in the New-Canon, either... its simply unknown or unsaid ....

Its as if... No-one of any import in the storyline has asked "Where did you get them?" as of yet.

Big question tho, for Tourney's does a play have to provide the actual card or is a photocopy sufficient?

I know I for one would gladly plop down some $$$ for just a pack of upgrade cards.

Absolutely 100% must be an actual component for Official Tournament Play.

That is pretty much what I thought.

At the same time, in casual play most opponents won't get too upset if you use an upgrade you don't have the physical card for. And most of the folks I play with are happy to lend upgrades or even ships if asked nicely.

To be honest, whilst it may not be 100% thematic, I think I'd rather have new designs of ships that are notably different from what we have already, not a tweaked model of a white ISD. Partly because I like the uniform grey of the Imperial fleet, in which I think a white ship would look odd, but also because I've already got an ISD - I don't feel the need for another one with a slightly different bridge.

Give me the Venator any day of the week, especially since Xanderf reminded us of that scene at the end of Episode III. If they're around at the start of the building of the Death Star, they're not going to have been scrapped in the 15 or so years since. Just put into service elsewhere.