Hi. I play both x wing and armada.

I don't find armada to be more about builds than x wing, in fact maybe the opposite. Deployment is a big deal in armada though. The way the game plays ive found you really need a plan before deployment and stick to it. I'd say it's a fair criticism to say the games can be decided earlier than is often good.

The squadrons... well, they're a thing for sure. Someone who is opposed to the idea of using fighters or them being a big part of the game is going to be frustrated. I can see someone who wants to play with mostly.big ships be annoyed by it. Not really much to do though.

Armada does have the problem of just being bigger, more expensive initially (though not really over time), and a bit more fiddly than x wing. I do think it's a good game though, and I really like the more narrative/objective approach to the game over x wing. I dunno, I play and enjoy them both but for different reasons.

Big ships, and "terribad" ships in general are better and more viable than doom and gloomers claim.

Quoted for truth. There are no bad ships (yet, anyways), only bad upgrade suites for those ships or ships that don't synergize with the rest of a fleet and might be better used elsewhere. I know immediately that I'm dealing with a garbage Imperial player when they tell me how bad Raiders and/or VSDs and/or TIE Fighters are with no qualifying statement added to give nuance to the judgment*. Dude it's not my fault you lack the imagination and/or dedication to learn to use them in a fleet designed to leverage their potential. Bah.

*For example, VSDs prior to Minister Tua struggled in metas with a lot of accuracy-guaranteeing upgrades (for example, Home One/H9-heavy fleets) and/or conga lines. Raiders might struggle in metas with lots of Quad Turbolaser Turrets (I have yet to see such a meta). TIE Fighters might struggle in metas heavy with instant-damage sources like Mauler Mithel, etc. That's a nuanced approach to the issue, but I normally get garbage nerds loudly declaring "X sucks" and then ignoring all contrary evidence (competitive events won, tips for better use) because admitting X can be used well is admitting that the garbage nerd simply does not possess the skillset to do so and has no desire or perhaps ability to develop that skillset and that simply cannot be.​ It must be FFG's fault instead!**

​**Or perhaps Ben. It's probably Ben's fault.

Ok now things are interesting. I have not read any post since my last post on this thread. So I am popping some popcorn .

Rather than "popping some popcorn", care to share your list with us? Never know, we could actually help you.

Blade you are either making no sense, or not explaining yourself correctly.

Chess is a game where both players have the exact same army.

A game with army building CANNOT have a 1 to 1 balance, you are chasing a UNICORN sir!

Armada seems to have found its own sort of balance through... well inbalance... as in everything is dangerous.

So nothing is ever off the table, which needs to be considered during list building, which promotes building a fleet that doesn't just function in a vacuum.

I never played X-wing or any of the other FFG miniature games except armada.

My experience simply comes from playing old school D&D.

And we didn't ***** and moan or blame our DM when our high level characters fell down some pit never to be seen again.

And those characters took months of effort to get going.

Sometimes its just due to ****** up luck.

Ben is the Unicorn. And he will penetrate you with his mighty horn, and rend your soul asunder.

Just like he did to Armada.

Ben is the Unicorn. And he will penetrate you with his mighty horn, and rend your soul asunder.

Just like he did to Armada.

No please don't let Ben penetrate me. I can't go through that again.

Thing that need to be fixed.

This is not a game of chess it's rock, paper, scissors and that really needs to be fixed bad. Xwing players have noticed it and are put off by it and the armada communities hostility to xwing in general also isn't helping. Many do play both but hate how the is largely decided on build not skill. They point to contracted scout issue they had before it was fixed and say that is armada.

Horribly not welcoming and scary to new ones. I can sell someone on xwing if I say anything about armada they run in fear.

The fact that obscure ships still rule the meta and a straight middle finger to defensive play style see AP, xi7, email and FAQs reversal. That alone almost made me write the game off. The reversal which destroyed not only AP but the redirect token as well and needs to be reversed

Not listening to the community at large to appease a certain competive class of player.

A lot of xwing guys refuse to get into armada do the bad reputation of armada tournament setup.

Sorry I just don't see this at all. What makes my brain hurt is number of options and type of fleets that can work, true is you can compete with almost any build in this game, give me 4 random ships ,100 points of fighters and if I can pick the upgrades/missions and had time to practice with it I would be happy to play any other fleets.

I love what this game could be but I am tired of the community elites dismissing it problems. Notice I was told to quit that is a jerk thing to say. Ok I don't matter the one for a year promoted this game started a club to watch it die and is now trying to wake people up.

Elites? Ok, vague categorizations aside, are you talking about frequent posters or people who make logical points regularly? Secondly, I also recommend people quit doing things that make them unhappy. To point it out isn't a jerk move, it's an attempt to alleviate suffering.

Have you tried talking to Ben? Letting him know howhis behavior diminishes your enjoyment of the game?

"Armada is chess and X-wing checkers" is a metaphor that is used a lot to sell Armada by Armada players. Checkers does not describe Xwing either. It is a highbrow way of saying X-Wing is a child's game compared to Armada. When is say Armada is Rock Paper Scissors it is alluding to the fact that you can easily win by knowing what your opponent brings versus how he uses it. Xwing I can know what you bringing and I have played against builds I was not ready for and won. In Armada I can tell you who will win most of the time before they are done setting up and even the players know it. You are playing to not lose as badly at that point.

"Armada is chess and X-wing checkers" is a metaphor that is used a lot to sell Armada by Armada players. Checkers does not describe Xwing either. It is a highbrow way of saying X-Wing is a child's game compared to Armada. When is say Armada is Rock Paper Scissors it is alluding to the fact that you can easily win by knowing what your opponent brings versus how he uses it. Xwing I can know what you bringing and I have played against builds I was not ready for and won. In Armada I can tell you who will win most of the time before they are done setting up and even the players know it. You are playing to not lose as badly at that point.

When people use the metaphor "Armada is chess and X-Wing is checkers", they're referring to the fact that X-Wing is much faster-paced and reactionary while Armada is slower-paced and requires more strategic thinking.

It does not mean "X-Wing easy/a child's game" when compared to Armada.

Based on my own totally anecdotal evidence, and the amount of children I have seen play and do well at X-wing versus children play and do well at Armada, I feel fully comfortable in saying the following:

Xwing can be child's play.

(That's not to say that it's a bad thing mind you.)

you can easily win by knowing what your opponent brings versus how he uses it.

I'm coming to the tournament up there this Saturday.

My list is posted in the Fleet Building forum.

Edit: oh, crap, now Ben's going to see this and bring something he hates just to spite me! D:

The thing about large ships is small ships should never just fly up and severely damage it without a scratch ever. I used to play AA war at sea Yamato never was taken out by a single frigate it might get lucky once in a blue moon in a fit of desperation but not to the point you cannot play Yamato competivly because small ships can out activate it. There was an armor rating that prevented that.

The thing about large ships is small ships should never just fly up and severely damage it without a scratch ever. I used to play AA war at sea Yamato never was taken out by a single frigate it might get lucky once in a blue moon in a fit of desperation but not to the point you cannot play Yamato competivly because small ships can out activate it. There was an armor rating that prevented that.

Well this is Armada. Not whatever game you just described.

Stop comparing other games to Armada.

PT ruined the game for me.

Since when could an ISD list beat MC30's. It was unfair, and reflects badly on the whole community.

Hold on, is BladeWing24 just an alternate account for the person who started this thread?: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/237707-will-there-be-dreadnought-style-ship/

Because the level of trolling plus the grammar mistakes seem oddly similar.

Or this is all a clever ruse by Ben.

Never mind, I don't care.

PT ruined the game for me.

Since when could an ISD list beat MC30's. It was unfair, and reflects badly on the whole community.

There it is.

PT106 is Ben

PT ruined the game for me.

Since when could an ISD list beat MC30's. It was unfair, and reflects badly on the whole community.

There it is.

PT106 is Ben

LOL at the idea of PT using MC30's ever!

Hold on, is BladeWing24 just an alternate account for the person who started this thread?: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/237707-will-there-be-dreadnought-style-ship/

Because the level of trolling plus the grammar mistakes seem oddly similar.

Or this is all a clever ruse by Ben.

Hold on, is BladeWing24 just an alternate account for the person who started this thread?: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/237707-will-there-be-dreadnought-style-ship/

Because the level of trolling plus the grammar mistakes seem oddly similar.

Or this is all a clever ruse by Ben.

Let is call him by his screen name vergilius. Or Ben H idc

Did Ben's use of MC30's to take on ISD's happen suspiciously around the time that I was posting articles about them and showing people how to take down ISD's with them...... ? Cause listening to me is just clever, and Verg does a lot of that.....

Wait. Didn't he come in third at the Houston Regionals using an MC80?

Wait. Didn't he come in third at the Houston Regionals using an MC80?

Only cause Bladewing took a couple of Raiders, so Ben bought an MC80. Durgh.

Wait. Didn't he come in third at the Houston Regionals using an MC80?

Yes.

This thread has done so much to set Ben's back in the Armada community for a long time to come. Sad day.