I don't understant this idea that the only way to end a story is to KILL EVERYONE. Which Star Trek series ended with a Total Party Kill? Or even any of the main characters dying? And those series weren't even aimed at little kids.

It keeps it dark?

I don't understant this idea that the only way to end a story is to KILL EVERYONE. Which Star Trek series ended with a Total Party Kill? Or even any of the main characters dying? And those series weren't even aimed at little kids.

It keeps it dark?

Star Wars is hardly known for being Dark. Even ESB is just a bit dim. Rogue One is the closest we have got to Dark and that is because they went out of their way to do something a bit different. Rebels is still very much a family show.

I don't understant this idea that the only way to end a story is to KILL EVERYONE. Which Star Trek series ended with a Total Party Kill? Or even any of the main characters dying? And those series weren't even aimed at little kids.

It keeps it dark?

Being dark for the sake of being dark might be edgy but doesn't equal good writing and certainly doesn't fit the tone of Rebels.

Well, I don't think Kanan makes it out of the series, but just because there are no more Jedi in the OT doesn't mean there are no more Force users; just look at Chirrut. I have a hunch Ezra ends up on the Ahsoka path, neither Jedi or Sith.

Chirrut's not a Force user.

He is ONE with the force....

And the Force is with him.

Chirrut is a force user, just not a jedi. Senses darkness around Cassieon when he almost kills galen, senses fear in Jyn, can fight and win against storm troopers while TOTALLY BLIND...

Which is why he is one with the force, and the force is with him.

You're all wrong. The Ghost destroyed the Death Star right after the movie. Ezra and Kanan then boarded the Devastator and fought Vader even though he was suddenly wielding dual helicopter lightsabers. After realizing that there's no way that he could match their combined amazing skill, Vader took off from the Devastator's hangar like an Osprey but was ambushed by Chopper who was flying around with his rocket butt. Chopper shocks Vader causing his suit to go haywire. Vader loses control and veers straight toward a piece of Death Star wreckage. We don't see what happens but it's assumed that he dies.

Back on the ghost, Ezra states: I guess Darth Vader was no match for the power of that battle station.

Sabine chimes in: More like the power of Chopper!

Chopper goes WHOPWHOPWHOPWHOPWHOP as the Ghost zooms past the wreckage of every A-Wing in the Alliance and goes to hyperspace towards Coruscant.

WHOO NEW CANON!

Schroedinger's VCX100.

Not for nothing the Ghost is named just ghost, and carries a Phantom.

Look at how they are going in circles about killing Ahsoka, a secondary character. No way they will kill a main character, let alone the entire crew. Even if the battle of Scarif will be close to the season finale, I don't see why the series couldn't end for example with the crew on Yavin watching as the Red and Gold squadrons take off to take on the Death Star or even watching the medal ceremony from the end of ANH.

I don't understant this idea that the only way to end a story is to KILL EVERYONE. Which Star Trek series ended with a Total Party Kill? Or even any of the main characters dying? And those series weren't even aimed at little kids.

And Ahsoka*), Kanan and Ezra have to die, or turn the dark side, otherwise there are SERIOUS continuity issues with ESB and ROTJ.

*) Have neither seen rebels season 2 nor 3, 3 is not available in my country yet. So do not know Ahsokas current state, and do not want to know. Thus i do not read the main rebels thread. But seems like it was spoiled for me now reading this thread

Was reading it for the R1 content, should have stopped in time, oh well.

Look at how they are going in circles about killing Ahsoka, a secondary character. No way they will kill a main character, let alone the entire crew. Even if the battle of Scarif will be close to the season finale, I don't see why the series couldn't end for example with the crew on Yavin watching as the Red and Gold squadrons take off to take on the Death Star or even watching the medal ceremony from the end of ANH.

I don't understant this idea that the only way to end a story is to KILL EVERYONE. Which Star Trek series ended with a Total Party Kill? Or even any of the main characters dying? And those series weren't even aimed at little kids.

Ahsoka, a secondary character? In terms of literary analysis, sure, but she is by far more beloved than any of the Rebels characters, and they are likeable.

The Ghost won't die there because there was nothing about the flow of battle that would allow for an interesting sacrifice for that ship. And Disney won't let the remaining rebels crew die in a boring way. Even if they showed a VCX blowing up on screen I wouldn't believe it was them.

Although in the level of silly concepts to rival dumb ideas, like scorched earth campaigns against your own planets with slow burning satelites or Chuck Wingnut's therapy Ewoks, calling Rogue One dark is a rudimentary farce equivalent to kids going to hot topic. It's a bigger joke than the Clone Wars or Rebels fans who belong on the same wagon as MLP adults who haven't gotten out of kids show denial.

Schroedinger's VCX100.

Not for nothing the Ghost is named just ghost, and carries a Phantom.

Look at how they are going in circles about killing Ahsoka, a secondary character. No way they will kill a main character, let alone the entire crew. Even if the battle of Scarif will be close to the season finale, I don't see why the series couldn't end for example with the crew on Yavin watching as the Red and Gold squadrons take off to take on the Death Star or even watching the medal ceremony from the end of ANH.

I don't understant this idea that the only way to end a story is to KILL EVERYONE. Which Star Trek series ended with a Total Party Kill? Or even any of the main characters dying? And those series weren't even aimed at little kids.

Cause it shows the price the rebellion has to pay. War is bloody.

And Ahsoka*), Kanan and Ezra have to die, or turn the dark side, otherwise there are SERIOUS continuity issues with ESB and ROTJ.

Or leave the Rebellion or go on a five year mission to explore strange new worlds, or... there is a thousand other possibilities.

The Original Trillogy walked us through the turning points for the Alliance and somehow it didn't feel a need to show the price the rebellion has to pay or that war is bloody, and it wasn't a kids show on Disney XD.

The Ghost most likely made it out of the battle but was damaged enough not to participate at Yavin. It's possible they didn't even get to Yavin after Scarif if the ship was damaged enough and had to stop somewhere else.

The blind dude in R1 is a 'Force user' the same as anyone else who has even one midichlorian in their body. He hasn't even close to Jedi status, and wasn't being trained as a Jedi at any point in his life. It's not that hard to understand.

Kanan is almost certainly dead by ESB, if not much earlier. Ezra probably does not become a Jedi and may or may not survive, but there are ways to make sure he never gains Jedi status. The rest of the Ghost crew is likely to stick together in he rebellion, but Sabine is also equally as likely to go her own way.

We still have a couple years till Rebels catches up

I actually kind of like the idea that Disney killed Rogue One's crew and quietly killed the Rebels crew. Just to be sure there are no continuity issues with the OT.

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

The Rogue One and Rebels crews being alive creates zero continuity issues. The OT didn't ever claim to show every single engagement or operation the Rebellion carried out. We're given hints about plenty of things we're never shown (the Battle of Tanab, the Bothans who got the intel on the second Death Star, etc); there's a ton of room for the Rogue One and Rebels crews to co-exist without any contradictions whatsoever.

Not entirely true. The Ghost and non force users dont but Ezra and Kanan do. But thats a different arguement for a different thread.

Well, I don't think Kanan makes it out of the series, but just because there are no more Jedi in the OT doesn't mean there are no more Force users; just look at Chirrut. I have a hunch Ezra ends up on the Ahsoka path, neither Jedi or Sith.

Kanan for sure can't make it out. I could perhaps see that happening with Ezra but I imagine that if he doesn't get killed off he has to leave the Rebel Alliance. Chirrut seemed force sensitive but I get the sense that his was not to the same level as a Jedi. Ezra is straight up uber powerful in the force. Luke can be the only Rebel able to use the force to that level otherwise the Dagobah scenes in Empire would have been completely different.

Not really. Yoda and Ben could feel that only Luke is capable of felling Vader and "bring balance to the Force" as some sort of familial destiny. This would allow other Force users to be extant but not relevant to the Skywalker Wyrd.

I don't understant this idea that the only way to end a story is to KILL EVERYONE. Which Star Trek series ended with a Total Party Kill? Or even any of the main characters dying? And those series weren't even aimed at little kids.

It keeps it dark?

Star Wars is hardly known for being Dark. Even ESB is just a bit dim. Rogue One is the closest we have got to Dark and that is because they went out of their way to do something a bit different. Rebels is still very much a family show.

Revenge of the Sith is a fairly grim movie. The jedi getting wiped out. Anakain having his limbs cut off then seen as he wiggles with only his torso just before being consumed by fire. Anakain choking his pregnant wife. The rise of the Empire.

The movies always take precedence and Rogue One HAS set the tone of the galaxy at this point in time. Theres no avoiding it and Filoni has said before he realizes they need to transition further towards RO's tone.

I figure Kanan probably dies before ANH...probably saving Ezra (I'd love to see a showdown between Kanan and Maul. After all, Kanan owes him for blinding him). As for Ezra, I see his fate as a little more difficult to predict. First of all, I DON'T think he's Snoke. The novels certainly seem to point to Gallius Rax being Snoke. Another thing to remember is Rebels is a Disney show targeted at kids (plenty of adult viewers, but still intended for kids). I just don't see them taking the character the kid viewers most relate to and turning him into the villain. I think Ezra's fate is going to be complicated. Possibly he mirrors Kanan and stops using the Force when HIS master is killed.

As for the Ghost in Rogue One, I can't be 100% certain, but I think it escaped Scarif. I tried to watched really carefully the last time I saw it (3rd time for me). Pretty sure the only ship that crashed into the Devestator was a medium transport, but I can't remember if the Ghost was among the other ships that jumped out in that scene.

There are plenty of ways the Ghost could escape even after the Devastator arrives. I mean, it's not like there was an Interdictor there to prevent any escape, and the Ghost is fast and nimble enough to get past. Not to mention, Vader was specifically targeting the capital ships in the fleet. I could see it breaking through if it didn't escape with the rest of the fleet at first.

I actually kind of like the idea that Disney killed Rogue One's crew and quietly killed the Rebels crew. Just to be sure there are no continuity issues with the OT.

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

At least his slingshot didn't double as a helicopter, I guess. Rebels just doesn't do it for me.

Though I agree that I hope the Ghost crew dies in some nice epic way doing something during this battle that helps contribute to the rebel fleet's efforts. But I really fear that Disney won't be able to actually kill any of its named cartoon characters. Hell, all the gutless cartoons can do is unkill characters (here's looking at you, Maul....ugh). The biggest losses the plot armor characters can lose are a pair of eyes that weren't even needed to function and a shuttle that was immediately replaced. Showrunner has even said that, given the cartoon audience, they weren't allowed to be direct about Ahsoka's death, and hinted that she may well probably still be alive.

Agreed. There are some irksome elements in Rebels that are difficult to get around. But then again I'm not expecting everything to be tailored to my tastes. The show is obviously aimed at a younger audience, and I feel as though it is more Disneylike than anything else we have seen of Star Wars, I haven't always been fond of Disney TV shows anyway. And I thought that shoehorning Maul into Clone Wars was bad, but surprise he's back again and again.

Watched the rebel fleet escape scene couple times and did not see ghost being destroyed. I'd say she escaped or producers just did not care to build on Rebels beyond the couple references

It is extremely unlikely they would show the Ghost being destroyed at Scarif as it would basically ruin the remaining seasons of Rebels. Not matter what they do achieve, it won't matter to them as they would all be dead in a few years.

Now I am not saying that this proves the Ghost does survive the battle of Scarif, simply that whatever happens, their destiny will be revealed in their own show, not tacked on to the end of someone else's.

For whatever it's worth, I've seen Rogue One 14 times so far (I work at a movie theatre so it makes it easy) and I've watched pretty closely. The Ghost appears in a higher number of scenes than I've seen mentioned here, far more than just a few, but I have yet to see it in the final escape scenes either jumping or being destroyed. But I keep up my visual scanning.