The GHOST Lives

By Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun, in X-Wing

I actually kind of like the idea that Disney killed Rogue One's crew and quietly killed the Rebels crew. Just to be sure there are no continuity issues with the OT.

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

But hey did destroy (or at least abandon) Ezra's slingshot and then destroyed his silly lightsaber, now he uses a regular blaster and a standard lightsaber.

I actually kind of like the idea that Disney killed Rogue One's crew and quietly killed the Rebels crew. Just to be sure there are no continuity issues with the OT.

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

The Rogue One and Rebels crews being alive creates zero continuity issues. The OT didn't ever claim to show every single engagement or operation the Rebellion carried out. We're given hints about plenty of things we're never shown (the Battle of Tanab, the Bothans who got the intel on the second Death Star, etc); there's a ton of room for the Rogue One and Rebels crews to co-exist without any contradictions whatsoever.

The director states that she lives on so we can say she survive

No, he only states that she is still alive during Rogue One. He doesn't confirm that she survives to the end of it. Unless someone can make out the Ghost jumping away, it's status is unconfirmed as of the end of the battle.

“I can clarify that’s absolutely Hera being paged, not her dad,” Filoni told EW. “The movie gives that away, but I would rather have all the [references] be right. Hera will eventually become a general in the Rebel Alliance.”

She was paged before Scarif. Whether she survives After is entirely different.

I actually kind of like the idea that Disney killed Rogue One's crew and quietly killed the Rebels crew. Just to be sure there are no continuity issues with the OT.

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

The Rogue One and Rebels crews being alive creates zero continuity issues. The OT didn't ever claim to show every single engagement or operation the Rebellion carried out. We're given hints about plenty of things we're never shown (the Battle of Tanab, the Bothans who got the intel on the second Death Star, etc); there's a ton of room for the Rogue One and Rebels crews to co-exist without any contradictions whatsoever.

Not entirely true. The Ghost and non force users dont but Ezra and Kanan do. But thats a different arguement for a different thread.

I actually kind of like the idea that Disney killed Rogue One's crew and quietly killed the Rebels crew. Just to be sure there are no continuity issues with the OT.

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

At least his slingshot didn't double as a helicopter, I guess. Rebels just doesn't do it for me.

Though I agree that I hope the Ghost crew dies in some nice epic way doing something during this battle that helps contribute to the rebel fleet's efforts. But I really fear that Disney won't be able to actually kill any of its named cartoon characters. Hell, all the gutless cartoons can do is unkill characters (here's looking at you, Maul....ugh). The biggest losses the plot armor characters can lose are a pair of eyes that weren't even needed to function and a shuttle that was immediately replaced. Showrunner has even said that, given the cartoon audience, they weren't allowed to be direct about Ahsoka's death, and hinted that she may well probably still be alive.

I actually kind of like the idea that Disney killed Rogue One's crew and quietly killed the Rebels crew. Just to be sure there are no continuity issues with the OT.

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

The Rogue One and Rebels crews being alive creates zero continuity issues. The OT didn't ever claim to show every single engagement or operation the Rebellion carried out. We're given hints about plenty of things we're never shown (the Battle of Tanab, the Bothans who got the intel on the second Death Star, etc); there's a ton of room for the Rogue One and Rebels crews to co-exist without any contradictions whatsoever.

Not entirely true. The Ghost and non force users dont but Ezra and Kanan do. But thats a different arguement for a different thread.

Well, I don't think Kanan makes it out of the series, but just because there are no more Jedi in the OT doesn't mean there are no more Force users; just look at Chirrut. I have a hunch Ezra ends up on the Ahsoka path, neither Jedi or Sith.

I actually kind of like the idea that Disney killed Rogue One's crew and quietly killed the Rebels crew. Just to be sure there are no continuity issues with the OT.

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

The Rogue One and Rebels crews being alive creates zero continuity issues. The OT didn't ever claim to show every single engagement or operation the Rebellion carried out. We're given hints about plenty of things we're never shown (the Battle of Tanab, the Bothans who got the intel on the second Death Star, etc); there's a ton of room for the Rogue One and Rebels crews to co-exist without any contradictions whatsoever.

Not entirely true. The Ghost and non force users dont but Ezra and Kanan do. But thats a different arguement for a different thread.

Well, I don't think Kanan makes it out of the series, but just because there are no more Jedi in the OT doesn't mean there are no more Force users; just look at Chirrut. I have a hunch Ezra ends up on the Ahsoka path, neither Jedi or Sith.

OR he could stumble his way into founding the Knights of Ren....

Well we know some of the X-Wing and Y-Wing pilots make it out due to the battle of Yavin so it's plausible that the ghost made it out but I didn't see it escape on any of my viewings. Saw it a few times in some pretty heavy combat being chased by TIE Fighters.

It can go either way but I think they would keep it open, Rebels is something they could actually make a movie out of as well. Infact if they were going to kill it off I would expect it to happen in a movie (that wasn't rogue one)

I actually kind of like the idea that Disney killed Rogue One's crew and quietly killed the Rebels crew. Just to be sure there are no continuity issues with the OT.

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

The Rogue One and Rebels crews being alive creates zero continuity issues. The OT didn't ever claim to show every single engagement or operation the Rebellion carried out. We're given hints about plenty of things we're never shown (the Battle of Tanab, the Bothans who got the intel on the second Death Star, etc); there's a ton of room for the Rogue One and Rebels crews to co-exist without any contradictions whatsoever.

Not entirely true. The Ghost and non force users dont but Ezra and Kanan do. But thats a different arguement for a different thread.

Well, I don't think Kanan makes it out of the series, but just because there are no more Jedi in the OT doesn't mean there are no more Force users; just look at Chirrut. I have a hunch Ezra ends up on the Ahsoka path, neither Jedi or Sith.

Kanan for sure can't make it out. I could perhaps see that happening with Ezra but I imagine that if he doesn't get killed off he has to leave the Rebel Alliance. Chirrut seemed force sensitive but I get the sense that his was not to the same level as a Jedi. Ezra is straight up uber powerful in the force. Luke can be the only Rebel able to use the force to that level otherwise the Dagobah scenes in Empire would have been completely different.

I actually kind of like the idea that Disney killed Rogue One's crew and quietly killed the Rebels crew. Just to be sure there are no continuity issues with the OT.

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

An energy crossbow, on the other hand, now that's a real Wookie's weapon!

The only justifiable option is to kill all of that trash.

The only justifiable option is to kill all of that trash.

Destroy the Rebel scum!

I actually kind of like the idea that Disney killed Rogue One's crew and quietly killed the Rebels crew. Just to be sure there are no continuity issues with the OT.

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

The Rogue One and Rebels crews being alive creates zero continuity issues. The OT didn't ever claim to show every single engagement or operation the Rebellion carried out. We're given hints about plenty of things we're never shown (the Battle of Tanab, the Bothans who got the intel on the second Death Star, etc); there's a ton of room for the Rogue One and Rebels crews to co-exist without any contradictions whatsoever.

Not entirely true. The Ghost and non force users dont but Ezra and Kanan do. But thats a different arguement for a different thread.

Well, I don't think Kanan makes it out of the series, but just because there are no more Jedi in the OT doesn't mean there are no more Force users; just look at Chirrut. I have a hunch Ezra ends up on the Ahsoka path, neither Jedi or Sith.

OR he could stumble his way into founding the Knights of Ren....

More than that, as Snoke = Ezra, from the whispers I've heard. Though it's not like we haven't been smothered by clues by Filoni and others:

This is why Snoke is not a Sith in the proper sense, though Ezra's time with maul has given Snoke an interesting perspective of both Jedi (Kanan) and Sith (Maul) instruction and knowledge. Perhaps like "Vader" was a hint at "father," Snoke is Norwegian for "snoop," and one could see a connection to Ezra as someone who snoops around, especially when first meeting the Ghost crew, and arguably as someone who is drawn by curiosity towards snooping around in all sorts of things (the Jedi Temple, the holocrons, Maul's experiences, etc. ....). Ezra is also an obvious anagram for "raze," which means to completely destroy an area, and "Bridger" is a rough Norwegian anagram for "ask both," not to mention that "Bridger" itself implies someone who builds a bridge between two things (e.g. a bridge between the Jedi and the Sith ways). Also, as if it's still not obvious enough, Ezra is an individual in Judaism known as "Ezra the Scribe" because he was fluent in two languages (Jedi and Sith?) and returned to Babylon as an exile and sought to reunite his people through teaching (the re-unification of the Light and Dark Side?). Babylon itself has some interesting mythological connections to the Tower of Babel, the parable said to have been inspired by the Etemenaki built by the King of Babylonia. For those unfamiliar, the Tower of Babel was a prideful attempt by a leader to build a tower so tall and mighty it would reach the heavens, but the effort fails because the workers are made to speak different, incompatible languages (the hubris of attempting to have Jedi and Sith principles, which are unltimately incompatible, combined to lead toward great and unlimited power?)

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

You may enjoy watching the second half of season 1- Ezra hasn't had that slingshot in a long while.

Well, I don't think Kanan makes it out of the series, but just because there are no more Jedi in the OT doesn't mean there are no more Force users; just look at Chirrut. I have a hunch Ezra ends up on the Ahsoka path, neither Jedi or Sith.

Chirrut's not a Force user.

Well, I don't think Kanan makes it out of the series, but just because there are no more Jedi in the OT doesn't mean there are no more Force users; just look at Chirrut. I have a hunch Ezra ends up on the Ahsoka path, neither Jedi or Sith.

Chirrut's not a Force user.

He is ONE with the force....

Oh, and if they also could destroy Esra's stupid slingshot that would be great too (Love you Rebels but c'mon, a sling shot?)

You may enjoy watching the second half of season 1- Ezra hasn't had that slingshot in a long while.

I watched all of it and enjoyed it. Didn't give it a fair shake until they brought in Thrawn. Then I went back and watched it all.

Well, I don't think Kanan makes it out of the series, but just because there are no more Jedi in the OT doesn't mean there are no more Force users; just look at Chirrut. I have a hunch Ezra ends up on the Ahsoka path, neither Jedi or Sith.

Chirrut's not a Force user.

He is ONE with the force....

And the Force is with him.

The Ghost won't die there because there was nothing about the flow of battle that would allow for an interesting sacrifice for that ship. And Disney won't let the remaining rebels crew die in a boring way. Even if they showed a VCX blowing up on screen I wouldn't believe it was them.

The Ghost won't die there because there was nothing about the flow of battle that would allow for an interesting sacrifice for that ship. And Disney won't let the remaining rebels crew die in a boring way. Even if they showed a VCX blowing up on screen I wouldn't believe it was them.

I disagree - because of what the person I'm quoting below said earlier:

Scarrif is very clearly going to be the series finale of Rebels.

As such I seriously doubt that they showed whether the Ghost escapes the battle or not. They will leave that for Filoni and crew to decide.

The Ghost may very well survive but then again Filoni has also said Rebels is going to match the tone of Rogue One the closer in the timeline the show gets to it. The theme of Rogue One for the rebel side is sacrificing ones self for a greater cause or at least getting killed for the cause.

Personally I expect the Ghost not to make it. How noble would that be if for instance the Ghost Crew, or at least whoever's on board, tried to delay Vader and the Devastator from capturing the Tantive IV further by staying and fighting. Or they attempt to save Raddus but get caught anyways.

The Ghost won't die there because there was nothing about the flow of battle that would allow for an interesting sacrifice for that ship.

Maybe the reason those Star Destroyers were being so univolved is because they had been boared by Ezra and Kanan (and possibly Sabine/Zeb) as a strike team trying to get to and disrupt the bridge. Maybe their assault kept one of the ISDs from functioning at full effect, buying the Rebel fleet time. Maybe they did a ground assault in the Shield Generation ring trying to destroy it. Either way, their disruptive efforts might have resulted in buying the Rebel fleet time, and they could have perished when the ISDs were pushed into the shield ring. Ezra and Kanan are wasted talent sitting in a gun port, so I imagine if they die at Scarif they die with lightsabers in hand. Heck, perhaps they're aboard the MC075 and die confronting Vader there trying to keep him from the plans.

Either way, whatever tragedy befalls them it will kill Kanan and leave Ezra scarred, emotionally wounded, angry, and believed dead. This sets up nicely a pathway for him to quietly become Snoke by TFA.

My predictions:

Kanan: dies

Ezra: believed killed by the same fate that befalls Kanan, but secretly survives and becomes Snoke

Hera: angry and grief-stricken, but will survive and stay with the Rebellion (we'll probably find out she was Phoenix Leader at Endor or something comparable)

Sabine: will survive (she's far too popular to die), and probably leaves the Rebllion out of anger and goes and becomes Mandalore or the Protectorate Leader or something equally dumb.

Zeb: who the f*#& cares what happens to this boring non-character

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The Ghost won't die there because there was nothing about the flow of battle that would allow for an interesting sacrifice for that ship. And Disney won't let the remaining rebels crew die in a boring way. Even if they showed a VCX blowing up on screen I wouldn't believe it was them.

I disagree - because of what the person I'm quoting below said earlier:

Scarrif is very clearly going to be the series finale of Rebels.

As such I seriously doubt that they showed whether the Ghost escapes the battle or not. They will leave that for Filoni and crew to decide.

The Ghost may very well survive but then again Filoni has also said Rebels is going to match the tone of Rogue One the closer in the timeline the show gets to it. The theme of Rogue One for the rebel side is sacrificing ones self for a greater cause or at least getting killed for the cause.

Personally I expect the Ghost not to make it. How noble would that be if for instance the Ghost Crew, or at least whoever's on board, tried to delay Vader and the Devastator from capturing the Tantive IV further by staying and fighting. Or they attempt to save Raddus but get caught anyways.

The Ghost won't die there because there was nothing about the flow of battle that would allow for an interesting sacrifice for that ship.

Maybe the reason those Star Destroyers were being so univolved is because they had been boared by Ezra and Kanan (and possibly Sabine/Zeb) as a strike team trying to get to and disrupt the bridge. Maybe their assault kept one of the ISDs from functioning at full effect, buying the Rebel fleet time. Maybe they did a ground assault in the Shield Generation ring trying to destroy it. Either way, their disruptive efforts might have resulted in buying the Rebel fleet time, and they could have perished when the ISDs were pushed into the shield ring. Ezra and Kanan are wasted talent sitting in a gun port, so I imagine if they die at Scarif they die with lightsabers in hand. Heck, perhaps they're aboard the MC075 and die confronting Vader there trying to keep him from the plans.

Either way, whatever tragedy befalls them it will kill Kanan and leave Ezra scarred, emotionally wounded, angry, and believed dead. This sets up nicely a pathway for him to quietly become Snoke by TFA.My predictions:Kanan: diesEzra: believed killed by the same fate that befalls Kanan, but secretly survives and becomes Snoke

Hera: angry and grief-stricken, but will survive and stay with the Rebellion (we'll probably find out she was Phoenix Leader at Endor or something comparable)Sabine: will survive (she's far too popular to die), and probably leaves the Rebllion out of anger and goes and becomes Mandalore or the Protectorate Leader or something equally dumb.Zeb: who the f*#& cares what happens to this boring non-character

You're probably right about the long term prospects though.

The Ghost won't die there because there was nothing about the flow of battle that would allow for an interesting sacrifice for that ship. And Disney won't let the remaining rebels crew die in a boring way. Even if they showed a VCX blowing up on screen I wouldn't believe it was them.

I disagree - because of what the person I'm quoting below said earlier:

Scarrif is very clearly going to be the series finale of Rebels.

As such I seriously doubt that they showed whether the Ghost escapes the battle or not. They will leave that for Filoni and crew to decide.

The Ghost may very well survive but then again Filoni has also said Rebels is going to match the tone of Rogue One the closer in the timeline the show gets to it. The theme of Rogue One for the rebel side is sacrificing ones self for a greater cause or at least getting killed for the cause.

Personally I expect the Ghost not to make it. How noble would that be if for instance the Ghost Crew, or at least whoever's on board, tried to delay Vader and the Devastator from capturing the Tantive IV further by staying and fighting. Or they attempt to save Raddus but get caught anyways.

There was no pause or delay in taking the Tantive on-screen in the movie. It'll feel like a dumb add-on if they do that. May as well have them shooting ties off of Luke's tail at Yavin.

After the CR90 detached, we only saw a scene of a rebel soldier delivering the data to Princess Leia and her comment about hope, which was followed by an agonizingly drawn-out, why-haven't-you-jumped-to-hyperspace-yet exteria shot. We didn't see Vader's ISD follow them in the movie so there's a huge opening and opportunity as to what happens immediately after.

Look at how they are going in circles about killing Ahsoka, a secondary character. No way they will kill a main character, let alone the entire crew. Even if the battle of Scarif will be close to the season finale, I don't see why the series couldn't end for example with the crew on Yavin watching as the Red and Gold squadrons take off to take on the Death Star or even watching the medal ceremony from the end of ANH.

I don't understant this idea that the only way to end a story is to KILL EVERYONE. Which Star Trek series ended with a Total Party Kill? Or even any of the main characters dying? And those series weren't even aimed at little kids.

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