I saw it. Thought it was fine. Not that great. Acting seemed a bit off at times...the characters were rather interchangeable and shallow. A LOT of "OMG a whole group of guys just appeared from nowhere!" sort of moments that I just hate. Too much Hollywood stuff; the MASTER SWITCH just sitting in the open looking as MASTR SWITCH as possible... The whole "you need to use the claws to get the plans out of the library" thing... A lot of stupid stuff like that. Didn't love the guy with the blaster who would just run in and shoot every storm trooper instantly. Still can't stand that a director can't make storm troopers and rebels move like soldiers. Music was jarring.

Loved the images of the space battle, and the fill in for the story. Loved seeing original designs not being messed with. Good to see how a fighter deals with AT-ATs. Glad they used CGI rather than cut Tarkin or whatever... He is an essential part of the story. Liked the droid; great voice acting on him. Otherwise... Eh?

I just want a Shawshank-level Star Wars movie. That will never happen.

It was better than you described, but we have to weigh up the pro'and con's... more frequent films, but heavily Disney-fied!

I don't know... I don't think it was that good:(

Oh, btw, another annoying thing... JUST as the sniper creeps up, the head techs decide to leave their warm, dry massive base in order to have a meeting in the rain on the equivalent of a landing strip. At that exact moment. Ugh.

There was SO much of this sort of lazy writing... it just pulled me out of the movie terribly, and it wouldn't be that hard to avoid... Far too many "whoops, isn't that nice how it worked out!" moments.

I really don't know what you would consider a good movie. I have a strong feeling if you were an adult when the OT was released you would have complained that they were "meh" and that they were lazy writing. (Which some movie critics actually did and complained that Star Wars was an unimaginative kid's movie.) But the majority of the people disagreed and today Star Wars (later named Star Wars, A New Hope) is considered one of the top 25 movies of all time.

The point is if you go in looking for flaws with a cynical eye you will hate every single movie you will ever watch because there is no perfect movie or story. Why the hell is there a switch in the middle of the field where it puts you in danger of being shot? Because having the switch next to them in a safe spot makes for a bad story. It's called a Plot Device and it is there to make the story more suspenseful because that is good story writing. The characters need to be challenged and they need to make sacrifices or the story would be Boring! Documentaries are what you would get if you took out all the Plot Devices.

And in a Fantasy Galaxy Far Far Away where a man can magically choke people to death and cut them down with a laser sword the idea that people have to use a special analog switch console to control arms to get information in a futuristic Galaxy where you have AI Droids and can travel faster than the speed of light is the exact magic that made Star Wars great to begin with back in 77. Every single person that worked on Rogue One was a Huge fan of the Star Wars universe and they made it as close to the source material as you could get.

The issue you had had nothing to do with it being made the way it was made but the fact you are not 10 anymore and you are watching a movie as a cynical adult. I know I did that for years in the 90's and into the 2000' but dropped it when I had my son who taught me to suspend my disbelief once more and to watch a movie with my inner child once again. Hell, even the prequels are enjoyable once more and everything Star Wars brings a smile to my face. But I can also go back to the Sacred Cow OT and see that those movies were flawed just as much as any movie today. So many plot holes and rushed production if you watch the unspecialized editions, they were amazing but they had their flaws also. And the critics of the day tore them up. But luckily Movies are not judged by the critics of the day but by the mass audiences and that is why Star Wars is a Movie Legend that the whole world loves and follows and it wasn't just a kid's summer movie flop because the critics said it was.

I really don't know what you would consider a good movie. I have a strong feeling if you were an adult when the OT was released you would have complained that they were "meh" and that they were lazy writing. (Which some movie critics actually did and complained that Star Wars was an unimaginative kid's movie.) But the majority of the people disagreed and today Star Wars (later named Star Wars, A New Hope) is considered one of the top 25 movies of all time.

The point is if you go in looking for flaws with an cynical eye you will hate every single movie you will ever watch because there is no perfect movie or story. Why the hell is there a switch in the middle of the field where it puts you in danger of being shot? Because having the switch next to them in a safe spot makes for a bad story. It's called a Plot Device and it is there to make the story more suspenseful because that is good story writing. The characters need to be challenged and they need to make sacrifices or the story would be Boring! Documentaries are what you would get if you took out all the Plot Devices.

And in a Fantasy Galaxy Far Far Away where a man can magically choke people to death and cut them down with a laser sword the idea that people have to use a special analog switch console to control arms to get information in a futuristic Galaxy where you have AI Droids and can travel faster than the speed of light is the exact magic that made Star Wars great to begin with back in 77. Every single person that worked on Rogue One was a Huge fan of the Star Wars universe and they made it as close to the source material as you could get.

The issue you had had nothing to do with it being made the way it was made but the fact you are not 10 anymore and you are watching a movie as a cynical adult. I know I did that for years in the 90's and into the 2000' but dropped it when I had my son who taught me to suspend my disbelief once more and to watch a movie with my inner child once again. Hell, even the prequels are enjoyable once more and everything Star Wars brings a smile to my face. But I can also go back to the Sacred Cow OT and see that those movies were flawed just as much as any movie today. So many plot holes and rushed production if you watch the unspecialized editions, they were amazing but they had their flaws also. And the critics of the day tore them up. But luckily Movies are not judged by the critics of the day but by the mass audiences and that is why Star Wars is a Movie Legend that the whole world loves and follows and it wasn't just a kid's summer movie flop because the critics said it was.

I think it's a tad harsh to lay into someone for just sharing an opinion. I happened to really enjoy the movie, but also agree the characters were not very interesting. That's kind of an important detail since Star Wars is known for having great characters, and Episode 7 had some of the best characters in the franchise. It wouldn't have taken much to make the characters have personality and motivation, which is why that lack is sort of glaring. If you compare it to a similar film like The Magnificent Seven, each of those characters had a personality and a reason for doing the job, or at least got one later in the film. Pretty much no one in Rogue One had much of a personality, save K2, and a lot of them lacked any reason why they would go on a suicide mission, except Cassian's vague reference to loss.

That said, the movie is a lot of fun even if the characters weren't interesting. Great action set pieces, a fun plot, and it made me so excited for Armada again.

Wasn't trying to be harsh but honest because I was in those shoes once myself. I looked for reasons to tear apart a movie and it made me miserable and it took an honest look at myself to snap out of it. I never said he was an idiot, which I don't believe he is, but he is being cynical. The points he made are exactly the points a Movie Critic would make and those people are paid to be cynics and while there maybe a point to be made I can tear apart every single movie or story ever made because as I said there is no perfect ones.

It's not that I believe the movie was perfect, the characters could have been more flushed out, but it was already over 2 hours and to flush the 5 main characters out (not counting K2SO) it would be over 4 hours to do it right and it would be slow as hell during act two. Then the complaints would be how the story's plot moved too slow and the movie was too long. You can't flush out all the characters in a group during the run of a film. A book could do it and according to reviews in Rogue One the book they flush out all the characters and solve all those issues that couldn't be done on film. Like inner dialogue, it is aweful in movies but is essential in books.

So if I sounded harsh I wasn't trying to be mean but trying to be frank with someone who is a cynic like I was for years. They need honest up front talk because in the end that is what us cynics love. We hate the nicety polite talking points that never get to the point. (Honestly I am still a cynic but when it comes to stories and movies I have learned to suspend disbelief, but culturally and on the topic of the Internet I am a big cynic. I have an inner child but I am still an old man.)

I hear you, man! It sure is a lot more fun to love stuff than to scrutinize it for flaws, for sure.

The movie shouldn't have been about getting the plans for the Death Star. It was okay that that was a thing that happened in the movie but as an audience we did't care all that much about that. It could have been about something like moving from disillusionment and anger to hope. But that didn't "feel like Star Wars." So instead we got a big CGI space battle and AT-AT attack and characters we couldn't remember the names of.

Pah, who's this 'we' Kemosabe?

.. Still havn't seen it.

While I've never been an "inner child" kind of person..... I do go back in my mind to the time I was 8-12 years old and saw Star Wars in '77, or Battlestar Galactica in '78 for the first time. Or even movies like "The Black Hole" in '79 or Roger Corman's "Battle Beyond the Stars".

I could just as easily have prepared myself to go in with the lowest of expectations and tear Rogue One apart as a jaded, cynical adult.... but this was Star Wars! I pretty much have to be that kid back then. But, I also found Rogue One to truly be Star Wars for adults. It really comes across as an almost classic war movie, especially during the final act.

I respect the opinions of those who supposedly did not enjoy the movie. You can't please 100 percent of the people 100 percent of the time, and Rogue One just more proof of that.

But, personally, I love Rogue One, and want to see it at least one more time on the big screen....IMAX 3D if possible.

A LOT of "OMG a whole group of guys just appeared from nowhere!" sort of moments that I just hate.

Those were the spawn points!

The whole "you need to use the claws to get the plans out of the library" thing... A lot of stupid stuff like that.

I thought the same while watching. It seemed like filler in a movie that was already too long. Just compare that scene with how efficient the original Star Wars was with Obi-Wan turning off the tractor beam. Just a few scenes to demonstrate his abilities with the force and a simple switch.

The issue you had had nothing to do with it being made the way it was made but the fact you are not 10 anymore and you are watching a movie as a cynical adult.

I like TFA but didn't like Rogue One. My kid kinda liked it (and she is exactly 10). My friend didn't like it. His teenage kids absolutely hated it (and mock it relentlessly). Being a "cynical adult" has nothing to do with it.

For some perspective, my oldest daughter was nuts about Star Wars for about 6 months after watching TFA. After Rogue One, she told me she liked it but hasn't mentioned it a single time since.

Oh, btw, another annoying thing... JUST as the sniper creeps up, the head techs decide to leave their warm, dry massive base in order to have a meeting in the rain on the equivalent of a landing strip. At that exact moment. Ugh.

Cassian is outside a base at night in the rain, yet he somehow thinks that he's going to get a clear shot at someone living inside (whose should be asleep) in the first 10 minutes. Talk about optimistic!

And then the Rebels attack the base yet for some reason don't bother to shoot the obvious Imperial Shuttle just sitting there on the landing pad (while managing to blow up everything else around it) even though the shuttle is blocking their shot at their target. WTF indeed.

I have a thing called the "Martok2112 Law of Storytelling" (more like guidelines than laws....arrrrrrrgh!),

"Logic and physics go out the window to serve the needs of dramatic storytelling."

Others have put it in other ways:

"Characters are only as smart as the plot needs them to be."

"Warp speed/light speed/FTL is as fast as the speed of plot."

But the point is the same: There's no such thing as a perfect movie. Plot holes can be found even likely in the best of films. Something in a given movie, somehow, somewhere will not make sense to absolutely everyone. Best thing to do is check your brain at the door, eat yer popcorn, drink your drink....sit down, strap in, shaddup, and haaaaaannnnnnggggg onnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!

I will grant that for some folks, Rogue One has characters that have largely never been heard of before, save for Saw Guererra and a couple of cool cameo appearances. It can be difficult to invest on a personal level with such characters. But I think a lot of us go to see Star Wars not just to be taken to a galaxy far, far away..... but to see things in said galaxy get blasted and blow'd up real good.

I do agree that it could have something to do with being an adult, but I don't think that is it.

I am the type of person who always expects stories to be true to two things:

First, the laws and forces (no pun intended) of the world they happen in, as they relate and connect to the laws and forces of our world.

Second, the trends of human nature and logic.

I find that the films and tv shows and all that address those two issues successfully tend to be great. The ones that don't, I tend to not enjoy. The Walking Dead is a fantastic example of a show that does a terrible job at both of those points, and has totally lost me as a "fan" after the initial six or so episodes. People making choices that nobody would make, and that are clearly just being made for the sake of forwarding the story... People accomplishing things that they should not be able to accomplish (starting with the incredible marksmanship of those folks!)... So much of it doesn't work for me, and frankly there is enough that it pulls me out and just makes me shake my head. And the thing is, I think a lot of that sort of thing is usually avoidable while still maintaining the desired story, if a writer is careful enough.

The acting, the humor, the charisma of the original trilogy are just so very good... The Han/Leia relationship is fantastic in its snark and humor... The simplicity of the movies... loved them as a kid, for sure, but I find they still hold up (I think Ford does a lot of the heavy lifting there, to be honest... He is just as charasmatic as possible in those movies...)

Rogue One... For me, not as much. I felt like the characters were all a bit forgettable outside of their visuals, and didn't pull me in, which I don't think is about being an adult... I found Daisy Ridley to be absolutely magnetic on the screen, somewhat jaw dropping in her simplicity to be honest, and really enjoyed John Boyega as well.

Thankfully, as I said, I am able to sort of pluck the stuff I want out of the movie, sort of like I do with the prequels (although good lord, there is almost nothing there to take except storyline...) Having modern visuals of a Star Wars space battle is f'ing amazing, and all the more so because it wasn't a bunch of "new while trying to look Star Wars," but actual Star Wars ships from A New Hope (which, btw, still look great.).

Okay, this was a rambling post because I am sitting here with my son showing me his Legos. Sorry, normally I am working towards a point when I write... This time, not so much:)

All I have to say:

Baze Malbus is a fat guy with a machine gun who kills more stormies than anyone else in any other movie. This guy deserves some mad props for his WWI-esque killer ingenuity.

This movie pissed me off on a personal level.

Most of my friends aren't big on Star Wars be it the originals or otherwise.

But i had ONE friend who i could share all this **** with.

But now she's turned off for good.

She doesn't want to cheapen the great memories and opinion she has about Star Wars she says.

So looks like i'll be going to the new Star Wars movies alone now...

THANKS BEN!