In my mind it is an If not a When. Eventually we will see the t-85 in the movies because money and toys. I feel like the t-85 would be more like the defender, an expensive small ship that hits like a truck.

I agree I think HotR tried to make the T-70 an arc dodger. I think the T-85 will be more of a jouster.

we have enough issues finding reasons to field the T65 over the T70, or making "fixes" for them that wouldnt completely shadow the other.

Dont need a third. For that reason alone i hope this is never a thing.

StealthX on the other hand....

It's hilarious how XJ3s and Chiss Clawcraft are still better than the Disney counterparts. Even the Starhunter would outgun those dingy T-70s and FOs.

Yeah, well, the old EU isn't exactly quality controlled. It's full of power creep because every author wanted to include a cool new ship of the week.

Sure we will get T-85 "X-wing"! And I've heard some rumours that the Episode IX comes with a revolutionary T-85-2 "X-wing"! And in the next ones we can expect T-90 "X-wing", T-90A "Vladimir", T-95 "X-wing", T-95 Mark XI "X-wing", T-95AMV-2 "X-wing-M", T-100 "CrossEagle X-wing", T-100 G-10 Block 69+ "SuperCrossEagle", T-420GTX 1.6 TDI "X-wing II" and so on till Disney gets bored and stops making new movies.

Sure we will get T-85 "X-wing"! And I've heard some rumours that the Episode IX comes with a revolutionary T-85-2 "X-wing"! And in the next ones we can expect T-90 "X-wing", T-90A "Vladimir", T-95 "X-wing", T-95 Mark XI "X-wing", T-95AMV-2 "X-wing-M", T-100 "CrossEagle X-wing", T-100 G-10 Block 69+ "SuperCrossEagle", T-420GTX 1.6 TDI "X-wing II" and so on till Disney gets bored and stops making new movies.

I hope you're that salty about all the X-Wing variants in #legendsforever that never even change the shape of the sodding starfighter.

Why the T-85? We already have the T-70 but if we get another x-wing it has to be the T-85? I guess the T-71, T-72, T-73 ... T-84 isn't good enough for you?

BTW, it would seem we will be getting a more advanced A-wing.

That's because there are mentions to a Republican T-85 (better than the Resistance T-70) in comic/books.

But yes, we will probably get the Episode 8 A-Wing (hopefully it won't be too much visually different - so it could be just a title).

we have enough issues finding reasons to field the T65 over the T70, or making "fixes" for them that wouldnt completely shadow the other.

Dont need a third. For that reason alone i hope this is never a thing.

StealthX on the other hand....

It's hilarious how XJ3s and Chiss Clawcraft are still better than the Disney counterparts. Even the Starhunter would outgun those dingy T-70s and FOs.

Yeah, well, the old EU isn't exactly quality controlled. It's full of power creep because every author wanted to include a cool new ship of the week.

This in an universe that's basically technologically stagnant for thousands of years... :/

we have enough issues finding reasons to field the T65 over the T70, or making "fixes" for them that wouldnt completely shadow the other.

Dont need a third. For that reason alone i hope this is never a thing.

StealthX on the other hand....

It's hilarious how XJ3s and Chiss Clawcraft are still better than the Disney counterparts. Even the Starhunter would outgun those dingy T-70s and FOs.

Yeah, well, the old EU isn't exactly quality controlled. It's full of power creep because every author wanted to include a cool new ship of the week.

This in an universe that's basically technologically stagnant for thousands of years... :/

Which, thank our ever benevolent mouse, is not the case for Disneywars. I mean, Krennic's Blaster is an "Old school" one where he has to reload every three shots.

No, this is not a Battlefront gimmick, this is an actual feature, and he prefers it. This tells me that since he can actually get power cells for it and that he can even find such a weapon, that blasters are actually pretty new in the grand scale.

I think Disney is slowly putting EU stuff back in, or at least thats what i hear. Lots of awesome ship designs but the whole of EU is kinda retarded power creep.

Sure we will get T-85 "X-wing"! And I've heard some rumours that the Episode IX comes with a revolutionary T-85-2 "X-wing"! And in the next ones we can expect T-90 "X-wing", T-90A "Vladimir", T-95 "X-wing", T-95 Mark XI "X-wing", T-95AMV-2 "X-wing-M", T-100 "CrossEagle X-wing", T-100 G-10 Block 69+ "SuperCrossEagle", T-420GTX 1.6 TDI "X-wing II" and so on till Disney gets bored and stops making new movies.

This of course, has nothing to do with the 97 TIE variant in existence. That is different. Or something.

we have enough issues finding reasons to field the T65 over the T70, or making "fixes" for them that wouldnt completely shadow the other.

Dont need a third. For that reason alone i hope this is never a thing.

StealthX on the other hand....

It's hilarious how XJ3s and Chiss Clawcraft are still better than the Disney counterparts. Even the Starhunter would outgun those dingy T-70s and FOs.

Yeah, well, the old EU isn't exactly quality controlled. It's full of power creep because every author wanted to include a cool new ship of the week.

YUP... this is why I am not that mad FFG has left these old-ass ships in the dust. The ones I want are available from other companies and as digital prints and that is good nuff.

ew no not Adamkop

All of his designs are SWOOSH V SHAPE

Sure we will get T-85 "X-wing"! And I've heard some rumours that the Episode IX comes with a revolutionary T-85-2 "X-wing"! And in the next ones we can expect T-90 "X-wing", T-90A "Vladimir", T-95 "X-wing", T-95 Mark XI "X-wing", T-95AMV-2 "X-wing-M", T-100 "CrossEagle X-wing", T-100 G-10 Block 69+ "SuperCrossEagle", T-420GTX 1.6 TDI "X-wing II" and so on till Disney gets bored and stops making new movies.

I hope you're that salty about all the X-Wing variants in #legendsforever that never even change the shape of the sodding starfighter.

Lacks you is a dam-nerd!

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Disney is slowly reviving what they killed off for JJ's copy of A New Hope. They will not get thanks from me for that. However, that does seem to be the pattern - Thrawn and so on.

I believe the XJ X-wing would be a better suited model to create. For starters, FFG have the creative license to have it as an upgrade for the T-65 as a title, or as a completely new ship. The XJ is what the T-85 aspires to be, considering it demolishes anything 1v1. As a Title I could see:

XJ X-wing (title, 2 pts, T-65 only) (Dual Card) (Choose side after ship is placed)

[side A] When you declare a primary weapon attack, you may roll 2 additional attack dice. If you do so, you may not attack next round.

Or:

[siide B] Your Action Bar gains the [sLAM] action. After performing a slam action, if you did not hit any ships, assign an evade token to your ship.

S-Foils closed or open? Side A [s-foils open] gives you a chance to get through that Pesky Focus+Evade defense so common to Imperial aces, but without totally overpowering an opponent through sheer dice. Side B [s-foils closed] gives you the speed and maneuverability that all X-wings had when not attacking. And yes, this is yet another dual sided card fix for the T-65.

A T-85 (Or XJ new ship), could be expressed with the following stat line:

ATT 3, AGI 2, HULL 4, SHLD 3, PS 2 Generic. Actions are focus, target lock, barrel roll. Upgrade bar includes astromech, tech, torpedo, torpedo. Title reads:

Third Generation Fighter (Title, 2 pts)

After you perform an attack that hits, the defender receives 1 face-up damage card.

I'd price it at 32 points for the generic, meaning that you couldn't fly three with the title, or two super-powerful aces. I'm personally against bringing out a new X-wing until the T-65 we all know and love is brought to the forefront of the Meta again.

Disney is slowly reviving what they killed off for JJ's copy of A New Hope.

Which is of course not what they did.

The old EU was a smoking dungheap of guttertrash with some roses growing on top of it, stuck together with retcon after retcon.

So what Disney did is put it aside for die-hards to enjoy and bring back what is worth salvaging in a controlled manner (well partly, it's already stretching at the seams).

XJ X-wing (title, 2 pts, T-65 only)

As written, useless, there is no T-65 in the game.

we have enough issues finding reasons to field the T65 over the T70, or making "fixes" for them that wouldnt completely shadow the other.

Dont need a third. For that reason alone i hope this is never a thing.

StealthX on the other hand....

It's hilarious how XJ3s and Chiss Clawcraft are still better than the Disney counterparts. Even the Starhunter would outgun those dingy T-70s and FOs.

Yeah, well, the old EU isn't exactly quality controlled. It's full of power creep because every author wanted to include a cool new ship of the week.

This in an universe that's basically technologically stagnant for thousands of years... :/

Which, thank our ever benevolent mouse, is not the case for Disneywars. I mean, Krennic's Blaster is an "Old school" one where he has to reload every three shots.

No, this is not a Battlefront gimmick, this is an actual feature, and he prefers it. This tells me that since he can actually get power cells for it and that he can even find such a weapon, that blasters are actually pretty new in the grand scale.

Maybe, maybe not. As a effectively high ranking Imperial I wouldn't doubt that Krennic had access to a specialty blaster or some antique. Bloodline, one of the books shows that some people take up a habit of collecting old GCW helmets and stuff as a hobby.

XJ X-wing (title, 2 pts, T-65 only)

As written, useless, there is no T-65 in the game.

If they wanted to go this route, all it would take is a line in the F.A.Q. that reads 'the X-Wing expansion pack has now been renamed the T-65 X-Wing', just the same way they F.A.Q.ed Vader so that his TIE Advanced X1 can take the X1 title.

XJ X-wing (title, 2 pts, T-65 only)

As written, useless, there is no T-65 in the game.

If they wanted to go this route, all it would take is a line in the F.A.Q. that reads 'the X-Wing expansion pack has now been renamed the T-65 X-Wing', just the same way they F.A.Q.ed Vader so that his TIE Advanced X1 can take the X1 title.

no no no

this comes up every so often and the solution is incredibly easy

subfactions , boys

the t-65 is the rebel alliance, the t-70 is the resistance

easy distinction to restrict the title with

XJ X-wing (title, 2 pts, T-65 only)

As written, useless, there is no T-65 in the game.

If they wanted to go this route, all it would take is a line in the F.A.Q. that reads 'the X-Wing expansion pack has now been renamed the T-65 X-Wing', just the same way they F.A.Q.ed Vader so that his TIE Advanced X1 can take the X1 title.

no no no

this comes up every so often and the solution is incredibly easy

subfactions , boys

the t-65 is the rebel alliance, the t-70 is the resistance

easy distinction to restrict the title with

Why else would they even have created them?

XJ X-wing (title, 2 pts, T-65 only)

As written, useless, there is no T-65 in the game.

If they wanted to go this route, all it would take is a line in the F.A.Q. that reads 'the X-Wing expansion pack has now been renamed the T-65 X-Wing', just the same way they F.A.Q.ed Vader so that his TIE Advanced X1 can take the X1 title.

That'd be a big line then, the expansion pack, the x-wing in the core set, the one in the GR-75 expansion pack.

Why design a card knowing in advance it'd need a rules explanation?

But it'd probably subfaction restricted, if they won't give it to the T70

The problem with the subfactions is that they already don't work. If they did, Finn and Rey wouldn't work together because Finn is 'Rebel only' While Rey is a Resistance pilot, not Rebel. As they are written right now the subfactions are cosmetic only and may as well be Rebel or Imperial.

"There are three primary factions in the game: Rebel (The Rebel Alliance and The Resistance), Imperial

But, the wording is such that subfaction restrictions COULD work.

You yourself quote this. Finn is "Rebel Only", which is the primary faction. Thus, you could extend this to "Rebel Alliance" or "Resistance" only as a subfaction thing. Obviously there are other solutions (No equip with Tech upgrade is the easiest, as it prevents any weirdness with EU), but it's not like this idea is crazy. Pop it on a reference card like other new rule systems, plenty fine.

The problem with the subfactions is that they already don't work. If they did, Finn and Rey wouldn't work together because Finn is 'Rebel only' While Rey is a Resistance pilot, not Rebel. As they are written right now the subfactions are cosmetic only and may as well be Rebel or Imperial.

"There are three primary factions in the game: Rebel (The Rebel Alliance and The Resistance), Imperial

(The Galactic Empire and The First Order), and Scum (Scum and Villainy). All Ship cards and some Upgrade cards are aligned to one of these primary factions. A squad cannot contain cards from different primary factions.

• Upgrade cards are neutral unless they have a trait that restricts them to a primary faction. Neutral Upgrade cards are not aligned to a faction and can be fielded in any squad."

Either way, they'd have to write a new section of rules to release the card.

Not true. Rebel is the main faction, with which Rebel Alliance and Resistance fall under. Anything that says Rebel only can be used by either subfaction. Subfaction distinctions are what matters

Yes, but the argument I'm countering is that no new wording would be needed to use subfactions, when there is currently no framework for this past the existence of the subfactions themselves. (nitpicky I know, but meaningless argument is fun )