Is it just me, or do you agree that he is one of the best, if not the best imperial squadron at the moment? Not only has both highest anti-squadron and anti ship-damage, but it has a decent tanking ability as well. Apart from that, it brings a totally new tactic to Armada thanks to its relay 2. Im sure there will be wild things (not necessary effective or too powerfull), lets say you can use raiders with flight controllers with expanded hangar/tarkin as 'carriers', or build hybrid glads (FC, a gozanti to feed its engine tech, and Screed to compensate for the loss of OE), or just simply naked gozanties. Any thoughts?

Definitely naked gozanti, IMO.

One thing it's worth considering is the loss of the Strategic ability though: I, for one, am currently thinking that depending on the composition of the rest of the fleet a simple lambda could be better.

Rudor Valen is far better IMO. Jendon is cool and going to be a pain, but Valen cannot be shot at from squads, which leaves ship AA and he has a scatter.

Is it just me, or do you agree that he is one of the best, if not the best imperial squadron at the moment? Not only has both highest anti-squadron and anti ship-damage, but it has a decent tanking ability as well. Apart from that, it brings a totally new tactic to Armada thanks to its relay 2. Im sure there will be wild things (not necessary effective or too powerfull), lets say you can use raiders with flight controllers with expanded hangar/tarkin as 'carriers', or build hybrid glads (FC, a gozanti to feed its engine tech, and Screed to compensate for the loss of OE), or just simply naked gozanties. Any thoughts?

I don't follow. Jendon has 2 black anti-squadron, which is equivalent to 3 blue but without the chance to roll accuracy or 3 hits. He hits like a TIE fighter. His anti-ship attack is 1 blue non-bomber die, which is .5 damage.

Now, if you are going to tell me he is the best because of his ability and being able to re-activate others, I would say that:

• Relies on those others being alive
• Relies on them being where you want them to continue attacking

I think it's certainly possible that can be true sometimes, but I also ask myself "would I rather just take another ace", given that Jendon costs 20. Yes, I get the argument that activating Mr. Stele twice is great, but you know what else is great? Having Stele and Whisper.

I think Jendon is less of an auto-include than people are saying because he lacks Strategic and requires another very high points squadron to be worth it, and at that point, I'm not sure I need Jendon so much as just more other squadrons.

That's not to say he's bad; he is quite good. There are just some obvious tradeoffs to taking him.

Top dog for Imp is all up in the air. Maarek, Valen, Cinena are all insane in their own way. Rhymer and Mauler aren't going away. Jendon isn't top dog because he requires other people to combo with and doesn't have strategic.

If Jendon is 5-stars, Mauler is 100 stars. I love Relay, but also love Strategic. Both are really really great for the game.

I actually want to throw Jonus in as a contender for new top Imp. I run swuad heavy when Imp or Rebel, so a bomber giving me guaranteed auto-accuracy on ships for a turn or so is crazy good.

Wow... you guys speak as if you wouldnt take a good ace anyway... Rudor has ~always dies last, nothing can compete with that, but not as versatile as Jendon. Vader, Stele, Morna Kee, even Bossk with Zeilik Storm cries for a second shot. IG88, Saber squadron is a good candidate too... And youll still have point allowance for Mauler and Rhymer.

Instead of taking Jendon, I could take 2 Tie/I with 8 blue dice, for 2 points more, instead of trying to make a power duo work. Or take a Lambda, still have Relay but gain Strategic.

I don't think Jendon is an auto-include. I expect him to run in ace squad lists since the benefit is too good to pass up.

Wow... you guys speak as if you wouldnt take a good ace anyway... Rudor has ~always dies last, nothing can compete with that, but not as versatile as Jendon. Vader, Stele, Morna Kee, even Bossk with Zeilik Storm cries for a second shot. IG88, Saber squadron is a good candidate too... And youll still have point allowance for Mauler and Rhymer.

None of this addresses the counter argument of, rather than Jendon, why not take two of those aces?

To be specific, explain to me why Jendon and Stele is better than Whisper and Stele, and in what situations? I agree there is a use for each, but my point is that you can argue it either way, and your initial post cites Jendon as potentially "the best" Imperial squadron, which I strongly disagree with.

As in, I actually think Jendon is pretty good, but he relies on a lot of synergy, so calling him "best" to me is a stretch purely because he may not often be points efficient for what he does.

Also, my personal view: the best Imperial squadron is Dengar, as he's the most durable source of Intel in the game. That's a very different discussion, though.

I think we are loosing the point that this game is so contextual that every ship and every squadron can make a difference at a turn point of a game.

It's always what you do with your fleet instead of what fleet do you have. Sometimes you start the game with a bad feeling in regard of your fleet composition against the other one but you can manage your way to take the game.

That's why I love the game so much!!!

Good or bad at the moment... There is no best!!! Yoda should say

I think we are loosing the point that this game is so contextual that every ship and every squadron can make a difference at a turn point of a game.

It's always what you do with your fleet instead of what fleet do you have. Sometimes you start the game with a bad feeling in regard of your fleet composition against the other one but you can manage your way to take the game.

That's why I love the game so much!!!

I actually think we are reinforcing that. Jendon is not the "best Imp squadron" for the reasons we have listed. He is not an auto-include in every list. But he will do work if you build a list the utilizes him to his full potential.

Rudor Valen is far better IMO. Jendon is cool and going to be a pain, but Valen cannot be shot at from squads, which leaves ship AA and he has a scatter.

Rudor has a great ability, but it can be avoided, a lot like Soontir. I can always place a squad in such a way that only Rudor is engaged. He is great value at 13 points though, but like all the 3 hull imperial aces he can be one shotted.

Jendon is interesting, we haven't seen yet how useful strategic and relay will be, but his pilot ability goes a long way to mitigate the loss of the precious squad points he uses up.

One thing the CC will bring is to eliminate that ''auto-include'' mention.

Maybe it's because I don't play tournement but I don't like that idea that you ''must'' have certain vessels or aces in your fleet composition. If I'm playing with the Rebs in the campaign, I'll be so happy to get rid of Major Rhymer

Even before CC, I dont think there was an auto-include squadron, after the release of the new wave, there will be a lot of very good fighter compositions. All my praising is its versatility, the good tank, and the possible damage output, while opening up a brand new playstile with its relay 2 ability.

I plan on pairing Jendon with Saber squad so that I can get two snipe shots against Intel squads per round. Add IG-88 for a big middle finger to Jan and her x-wings

I'll just leave this here to help folks out:

I'll just leave this here to help folks out:

Good call, I didn't realize he didn't have strategic.

I'll just leave this here to help folks out:

Good call, I didn't realize he didn't have strategic.

It does lack strategic, but its not as important for the imps as for the rebels. Imps have Rhymer. Precision strike-fighter ambush-superior positions. 98 points remains, Stele is 95% include in such party.

Jandon plus damaged Bossk, boba and ig is more powerful than steele and whisper.

Opportunity to use the most potent antisquad, antiship or anti intel twice.

Jandon plus damaged Bossk, boba and ig is more powerful than steele and whisper.

Opportunity to use the most potent antisquad, antiship or anti intel twice.

Jandon, Bossk, and ?Tempest? would be good. Auto-ping Bossk to get a reroll on Tempest, then use Jandon/Bossk to snipe an ace with Scatter.

Only time will tell, but I personally think Valen is vying for second best imperial squadron-- second to Dengar.

Imperial fighter lists already excel and wearing enemy squadrons down in numbers, and Valen serves to increase overall damage output.

Jandon plus damaged Bossk, boba and ig is more powerful than steele and whisper.

Opportunity to use the most potent antisquad, antiship or anti intel twice.

Jandon, Bossk, and ?Tempest? would be good. Auto-ping Bossk to get a reroll on Tempest, then use Jandon/Bossk to snipe an ace with Scatter.

Zertik Strom.

Tempest is Bomber Escort.

My selection for a show of power is Vader, zeilik storm, bossk, stele, rhymer, jendon, mauler. Also, admiral chinreau might see some action to make Sure mauler does dance.