Wave 5 and CC comes out on Thursday.

Rogue One just came out.

Regionals are bigger than ever.

3rd party Armada tournaments are being planned.

New players are joining the community.

But what the **** is happening?

Armada is broken

Squads are breaking the game

Fix activations

A legit Armada is dead thread

I need scum and FU if you disagree

And the rules forums are more civil than the front page!

I'm not pointing my finger at anyone, but rather speaking what a lot of people are thinking.

Why is this happening? Why are topics written with a tone that does not allow for discussion? Why do people want to change the core mechanics of the game?

Wouldn't it be beneficial if instead of changing the game, the players adapted to the game and the new releases?

Thoughts? Concerns? Troll-like comments?

THE END IS NIGH

(Meanwhile, planning a Wave 5 release tournament and already have a full 6 CC group together waiting to gear up and hit the hyperlanes.)

You (everyone) have to accept that people are going to have different opinions than you.

You know it's bad when I'm the guy telling people to calm down in a thread...

Regionals are bigger than ever.

3rd party Armada tournaments are being planned.

New players are joining the community.

You have sources for all this informations?

Wave 5 and CC comes out on Thursday.

Rogue One just came out.

Regionals are bigger than ever.

3rd party Armada tournaments are being planned.

New players are joining the community.

But what the **** is happening?

Armada is broken

Squads are breaking the game

Fix activations

A legit Armada is dead thread

I need scum and FU if you disagree

And the rules forums are more civil than the front page!

I'm not pointing my finger at anyone, but rather speaking what a lot of people are thinking.

Why is this happening? Why are topics written with a tone that does not allow for discussion? Why do people want to change the core mechanics of the game?

Wouldn't it be beneficial if instead of changing the game, the players adapted to the game and the new releases?

Thoughts? Concerns? Troll-like comments?

There has always been SOME of this...but lately it's exploded...I can't really say why. It's good that more and more people CARE, but the overall tone has turned very negative. I often feel like just staying away.

You (everyone) have to accept that people are going to have different opinions than you.

I can accept that. The difference is when a topic is posed so there can be other opinion that is acceptable. What happened in the "squads are bad for armada" thread is a perfect example. People tried a logical, data supported argument and the OP refused to listen.

We have had differing opinions on the rules forum, and that is fine. I accept that there are multiple ways to interpret the rules for poorly written cards.

I encourage multiple points of view because a single one is limited, but everyone needs to keep an open mind to the possibility they can be wrong. When someone catches me flat footed in my arguments, I admit I am wrong.

Dont add to it

Regionals are bigger than ever.

3rd party Armada tournaments are being planned.

New players are joining the community.

You have sources for all this informations?

Shmitty has details on regionals.

Stele Open is expanding the Armada tournament, so that is 1 3rd party.

And check all the new people who have a few posts, and you will see new players joining. Warlord Zepnick is new. Came out of nowhere with strong opinions and good arguments, and he is on here frequently.

But if you really feel the need to fact check, you don't understand the reason for this post.

Unless you're trolling and I fully applaud the effort.

I have always loved the previous game I left for the game I love now.

I have always loved the previous game I left for the game I love now.

So back to Guild Ball?

I have always loved the previous game I left for the game I love now.

So back to Guild Ball?

Never loved it. Not like others. It didn't click with me like it did with others. But I've seen the reverse happen amongst my buddies. IA for example, Skyshuffler is terribad at IA, but loves it like Hipster Boatshoes...YET, he totally got Guildball. Like, it just clicked for him.

Guildball could eventually fall 'In Gear' with a future game speed need. Just not now.

Regionals are bigger than ever.

3rd party Armada tournaments are being planned.

New players are joining the community.

You have sources for all this informations?

Shmitty has details on regionals.

Stele Open is expanding the Armada tournament, so that is 1 3rd party.

And check all the new people who have a few posts, and you will see new players joining. Warlord Zepnick is new. Came out of nowhere with strong opinions and good arguments, and he is on here frequently.

But if you really feel the need to fact check, you don't understand the reason for this post.

Unless you're trolling and I fully applaud the effort.

I was hopping for links about those 3rd party tournaments. More events are always cool. As for the rest, I agree comments in this forum are too often unfriendly but starting a thread claiming false or vague statements is misinformation. What/Who is Shmitty?

In terms of being dead I can only say that in my community Armada has taken a short break.... something of a Holiday break.

But it's not dead. See wave 34 (yes I said thirty-four, because lets face it... they were ONE wave), breathed some much needed new life into the game at least in my area. We've been playing a lot more, and beginning to even bring in some new players. Play really ramped up toward regionals. Since regionals though, I think many of us were a little Armada'd out.

Destiny has also just come out.

AND we have a new wave PLUS a campaign starting up soon....

Lately it's been the IDEAL time for a break from the game if you need one. Great time to relax and recharge. 2017 is going to be a MAJOR year for the game. Major major major. Like Rancors in space forming the rancor equivalent of voltron.

I'll believe it's dead when they put all ships on round bases and announce points are no longer needed. Never want to go through that again.

The only reason I titled it as Armada is Dead is because I know how much people love those threads and they would come to see the message.

Spoiler: Click bait article.

But honestly, I felt something had to be said. I'm at fault for sure, but who isn't? Ignoring the problem isn't helpful. Contributing to the argument might do something. Pouring gas on the flame war is simply fun but wildly inappropriate.

We have to start somewhere.

I watched Armada from afar for some time. I wanted to see how the lack of hardware in the starter box played out. To be honest, I think it hurt the game and a lot of people (W-wing players) remember that. It's more upfront cash. People don't like unpainted stuff. There weren't enough dice in the box to play the game (did I mention that already?).

All that said, Christmas came as an excuse to buy-in and so I have and I'm here. As to proof of 3rd party stuff, I'd post the flyer I made for my local shop to try and attract attention (since they claim to sell the miniatures frequently yet have no days scheduled) and get a group running. The thought of driving 2 hours to a place to play is...not ideal...but I'll be doing it for regionals (if they even host this year).....but there's a 500kb upload limit.

One thing you can count on humanity to do....fight with each other. Differing opinions and the anonymity (at least for now) of the internet provide the perfect forum for angry people.

Side note: That starfighter thread cracked me up....such limited vision.

Armada is a great game that doesn't translate well to tournament style play. It takes up a huge amount of space and the games take a long time. Most game stores aren't set up to handle this and quite simply, would rather make room for a game like Destiny. The game will need a lot of tweaks to make is tournament viable, like far less squadrons to speed the game up.

It is however well set up for something like a campaign, so FFG was smart to realize what the game is, and isn't, and put out the campaign. Still getting a play group for such a thing is hard.

The fact it has squadrons doesn't dictate if it is tournament worthy. People's perception of tournament worthy is what decides that....in their eyes. If you play a game that takes two hours, you go to a tourney expecting it to take two hours.

Besides, if you can't think on your feet and move your stuff, maybe you shouldn't be in a tourney to begin with.

One suggestion I would offer FFG is to allow activated squadrons to roll together, not one at a time. That would get through squadron phase (literally) twice as fast. If a ship uses a ship command, then you can roll those squadrons as one attack.

That would solve 95% of time issues and clunkiness.

If all you do is complain about a problem, you're not part of a solution, you're just another part of the problem....doing so is as useful as beating a dead horse....which is what being negative about squadrons is...

Armada is a great game that doesn't translate well to tournament style play. It takes up a huge amount of space and the games take a long time. Most game stores aren't set up to handle this and quite simply, would rather make room for a game like Destiny. The game will need a lot of tweaks to make is tournament viable, like far less squadrons to speed the game up.

It is however well set up for something like a campaign, so FFG was smart to realize what the game is, and isn't, and put out the campaign. Still getting a play group for such a thing is hard.

However, while tournaments are certainly larger and longer for Armada than the other FFG Star Wars games, I don't think it's prohibitively so. Armada tournaments are totally doable, and my FLGS would rather that I host more rather than fewer.

At the same time, FLGSs flourish in my Portland, OR environment (a Shangri-La for gaming), and your mileage may vary.

Why is this happening?

If you want my honest answer, it is a failure of civil discourse. I will say as someone who negotiates professionally for a living that much of the expression on these forums is... shall we say, not ideal for getting people to stay in the same room as you, much less persuade them of a point.

I would like to hold up Shmitty as an example of someone who is even-handed, tries to come to correct conclusions, and treats even opposing views respectfully. I know I have agreed with him sometimes and disagreed with him sometimes, but I respect the hell out of him and I think virtually every post he makes is a net contribution to the community (and, at worst, a net neutral).

However, almost nobody else reaches that standard (edit: that may be too harsh - we have a lot of good posters, my point is more that we all have our cranky moments). I know I've dramatically scaled back my posting over the past month or two because of the conduct of multiple people on these forums (who shall remain nameless) posting things that, quite bluntly, aren't worthy of a serious response. When someone does not want to discuss, is not willing to attempt to hold the contrary viewpoint in mind before expressing their own, and are here only with the agenda of hammering someone until they either agree or get tired of posting, I have to question what the purpose of posting in a thread is.

So I would say this: if you want the current tone of the forums to change, you should do two things and think about a third.

First - be an exemplar of good behavior yourself. Treat others with respect (even when they may not deserve it, because everyone has a bad day). Make coherent, clear arguments and points. Back up what you say or be willing to concede it's a hypothesis, not a fact. In short, be fair.

Second - don't feed the trolls. If someone is saying negative or crazy things, don't respond. Arguing with them is a mistake. Attempting to reason with them is a mistake. If someone is being an entire bag of Interdictors, the only appropriate response to change that behavior on the internet is refuse to pay any attention at all. If the only response to their posts is deafening silence as the discussion continues without them, eventually they will reform their behavior or go elsewhere.

Third - understand that if things are being repeated over and over, maybe there is some legitimacy to them. Perhaps not because they are correct; this is part of the point of discussion! Rather, it is to say if people are consistently complaining about squadrons (to give one example), it's worth spending some time to ask "why are there 20 threads on this now", and know that even if people aren't coherently articulating what they think, clearly it's an indicator of something. Do I know what? Absolutely not. But the same line of thinking coming up over and over is usually not a coincidence - it could be a product of the echo chamber, it could be a real concern inarticulately expressed, or it could be a symptom of some other issue. It's worth thought either way, and to be clear, figuring out why is strictly helpful to the game because it brings the entire community to a better place.

I will also say I am not perfect myself, so don't take this as me preaching; I am just trying to offer up my observations on what is really going on here. If we want to address it properly, the community needs to hold hands and all agree we're going to treat each other with respect and appreciate that we all love this game.

Edits: many of them, because I am barely literate, apparently.

Well said Reinholt.

Locally: Armada was never really alive. And I tried my best to grow it (to use Lando's line "I've got my own problems.") That being said, even X Wing is quiet in the last two months. Destiny doesn't exist around here ironically.

My normal travel to Philly for tournaments has been non existent too. They've been overtaken by Destiny and Armada has been real quiet.

I'm hoping it's just the holidays. I also have hope that CC organized by the shop will breath life into the game locally. I'd take some friendly competition over nothing at all.

I'm jealous of you guys in larger metros with an actual player base. Armada isn't dead...just some places don't have the love that others do.

I had once a discussion with a guy about B-wings, which at one point got a bit heated, when I realised that we both where on the werge to calling each other rude names, I politely wrote to him or he politely wrote to to me (Okay I can't remember who started ), that it was better to turn it down a notch and nothing was meant as a personal insult etc.

So we both apoligized to each other and partet the discussion in a very civil matter.

As a Danish Journalist said: The more you disagree with each other the more politely you have to talk to each other.

When playing WOT, I'm frequently receiving written abuse, by some hothead, who has some extreme ideas on what good Tank tactis are and that its okay to bully team mates into their line of thinking, by doing a blue on blue.

Being feed up on that, I've lately taken the stance not to write a rude answer back to people, when they throw a tantrum.

Instead I ignor them, report them as being abusive to the system managers and blacklist them.

And when I do write to people, its to give them praise for their conduct, and how well they played the game, regardless if they are on my own or opposing team.

I honestly stopped playing. I kept a handful of miniatures for my display case, and sold the rest. Truth be told, I know I said some crazy stuff in my time here, but I had enough of an eye opener to realize that:

1) The actual game wasn't for me.

2) I needed to really focus on me as a person and my career

3) I'm too competitive to actually step back and enjoy the game for what it really should be, and I didn't want anyone subjected to that.

4) I unsuccessfully tried to find a casual community to play with where I am, and really didn't want to adapt to the playstyle of the area I live in.

5) I don't really go to LGS locations anymore. So spending a lot of money on something I am not playing isn't economically feasible.

That said. The gang from IFF have always been my faves, and Stasy and you too Reinholt. Wish I could be that balanced....