In canon, the Rebels have stolen a Lambda-shuttle, several Sentinel-class shuttles, a Zeta-shuttle, a TIE Advanced Prototype, and even a Gozanti cruiser. Stolen Imperial ships should be a feature of the Rebels meta-game if the Sabine's TIE experiment works out.

So your position here is basically "All Imperial ships should be playable by the Rebels." Because they could always conceivably be stolen?Why even have ****ing factions in the first place then. Might as well let anyone fly any ship they want then if all it takes is one instance to let another faction use a ship. It's called letting factions actually have a sense of theming and identity.Also, why would anyone ever play Empire after that when playing Rebels gets you twice as many ship choices?

No one (but you) is suggesting all Imp ships be playable by all factions. And if you are talking "thematic" then having a Rebel shuttle makes a ton of sense given how often we see stolen ones being flown.

But, hey, this is a forum and your opinion is completely valid (for you), just as other people's are (even if they make your anus hurt)

The cargo compartment is underslung- the bright orange section.

Yes, I know. It still looks like a very inefficient design, especially when compared to the GR-75, or any number of EU cargo haulers.

No one (but you) is suggesting all Imp ships be playable by all factions.

He just named off six ships that he thought should, so yeah, he really kind of is.

I like how you keep characterizing this as me being a lone opinion railing against the will of the entire rest of the forum when your the only person here that said this ship should be Rebel and not Imperial.

No one (but you) is suggesting all Imp ships be playable by all factions.

He just named off six ships that he thought should, so yeah, he really kind of is.

And without intending to sound patronizing, even if the ships WERE added to other factions, you know it's the pilot abilities that really differentiates the ships.

Han or Chewie flying a Lambda would have very different abilities than Yorr.

It still looks like a very inefficient design, especially when compared to the GR-75, or any number of EU cargo haulers.

But this ship is also A. Much smaller than most of those. Barely larger than a shuttle. And B. Appears to be extremely heavily armed. Which none of those other cargo haulers are.

Also, keep in mind that ships like the YT-1300 are also nominally freighters. Those seem even less efficient in regards to cargo space vs. ship size.

Internally, yes, but they were more effective used like this:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qjduHmtroUQ/Vniryth6E7I/AAAAAAAASBY/DNKLwaodH98/w1398-h1317/jeff-yt-1300-freight-pusher.jpg

I'll be seeing the movie with family later in the week, but if we're gonna do comparisons, the Zeta is probably akin to cargo planes or helicopters in terms of use from what I see/hear. You use it to carry a few big heavy things too and from a base (or a ship) as needed. Lambdas are multi-purpose shuttles, they can carry a little bit of everything in there, and the Sentinel is explicitly a combat lander for troops. The GR-75 is a container ship, it's built to haul as much raw cargo as possible at a time. In military terms, you pack your whole base up in there to put it somewhere else, because you're not gonna get that cargo out in a 100% timely fashion

Lambdas are multi-purpose shuttles, they can carry a little bit of everything in there

I could see it being a "prestige transport" which mostly only carries senior officers. Every time one's been seen in the movies (besides the captured ones) it has been carrying Vader.

Lambdas are multi-purpose shuttles, they can carry a little bit of everything in there

I could see it being a "prestige transport" which mostly only carries senior officers. Every time one's been seen in the movies (besides the captured ones) it has been carrying Vader.

Wouldn't it be strange for a prestige transport to carry "parts and technical crew for the forest moon"?

Wouldn't it be strange for a prestige transport to carry "parts and technical crew for the forest moon"?

It might. "Technical crew" may be more important to the Empire than troopers though. It's "multipurpose" but also "Empire's elite":

http://www.starwars.com/databank/imperial-shuttle

Your opinion of the ship doesn't change the precedent.

Right, but it doesn't make it an acceptable excuse either.

Just because someone does something sh*tty doesn't make it okay to do something sh*tty again in the future.

LOL, ok, ok, you win.

Thank Christ FFG run all ideas by you first to make sure their additions match your standards.

Oh, wait.

Imagine the backlash there would be if FFG released an Imperial X-Wing prototype expansion, with an Imperial Only title card granting it an extra shield, boost, and barrel roll for zero points. The rebel players would have a meltdown.

Giving the terrorists the Empires most iconic fighter craft was a slap in the face. Giving them an upgraded version with crew and illicits was an additional kick in the balls.

Your opinion of the ship doesn't change the precedent.

Right, but it doesn't make it an acceptable excuse either.

Just because someone does something sh*tty doesn't make it okay to do something sh*tty again in the future.

LOL, ok, ok, you win.

Thank Christ FFG run all ideas by you first to make sure their additions match your standards.

Oh, wait.

Imagine the backlash there would be if FFG released an Imperial X-Wing prototype expansion, with an Imperial Only title card granting it an extra shield, boost, and barrel roll for zero points. The rebel players would have a meltdown.

Giving the terrorists the Empires most iconic fighter craft was a slap in the face. Giving them an upgraded version with crew and illicits was an additional kick in the balls.

If they did it arbitrarily, then I can absolutely see it - had we seen (for example) Darth climb into an X-Wing and fly it then I would totally expect it to be released by FFG, regardless of backlash. People would still buy it, which is FFG's goal as a corporation.

Again, not advocating a blanket re-release of a faction's ships but DO recognize that FFG will shake things up as they see fit and as marketing tie-ins allow.

And, maybe I just don't take this game seriously enough where the release of any new ship - unless it's way OP or in no way relates to Star Wars - is unwelcome as each one brings new play possibilities. I don't subscribe to a strict allegiance to a faction so much as to fun game play and despite being a life-long Star Wars nerd, I don't get bent out of shape over minor details in this game, so long as it remains fun and "true" in spirit to canon.

If they release this as an Imp ship, I'll be delighted. If they decide that because it was almost entirely seen being used by Rebels to release it in that faction, I'll be equally delighted.

My only real disappointment would be if they didn't release it in favor of a "dead" EU ship, such as the Star Viper.

Lambdas are multi-purpose shuttles, they can carry a little bit of everything in there

I could see it being a "prestige transport" which mostly only carries senior officers. Every time one's been seen in the movies (besides the captured ones) it has been carrying Vader.

I mean, Marine One is just a fresh coat of paint and a slight variant on an otherwise standard USMC helo. Vader and Sheev probably have some sweet refinements in their craft, but the model itself is inherently multipurpose transport. It has enough room to load some stormies and their gear, or haul cargo, or be fitted to bus VIPs around.

Re how that thing could carry an AT-AT: I could imagine it being useful for the Empire to design a ship with essentially interchangeable modules. My thinking would be the orange section and the lower-deck it's attached to could be swapped out with a bit of work for one designed to carry an AT-AT into battle.

It's not a matter of where it grips it, it's a matter of weight ratios.

I think it looks like a turtle when it flies. And i would paint it as such for the laughs. We needs it.

No one (but you) is suggesting all Imp ships be playable by all factions.

He just named off six ships that he thought should, so yeah, he really kind of is.

go back and read it again. He didn't suggest 6 new ships be added to the Rebel faction, he was pointing out the logical fallacy in your argument.

And without intending to sound patronizing, even if the ships WERE added to other factions, you know it's the pilot abilities that really differentiates the ships.

Han or Chewie flying a Lambda would have very different abilities than Yorr.

Thanks, Bojanglez. Nice to see someone's got my 6.

I think in this instance, due to it literally being the centrepiece and title of the film there is a very strong argument for the Imperial Zeta-class Cargo Shuttle Expansion Pack to have the normal range of Imperial pilots, plus a single Rebel pilot 'Bodhi Rook'.

I don't think that opens the floodgates to anything, I do think it would be very, very cool.

Well if Coordinate is now coming to standard what are the chances of Cargo upgrades coming to standard?

Well if Coordinate is now coming to standard what are the chances of Cargo upgrades coming to standard?

Out of interest, How balanced are epic ships is 100 point format?

Well if Coordinate is now coming to standard what are the chances of Cargo upgrades coming to standard?

Out of interest, How balanced are epic ships is 100 point format?

Given that an unladen corvette and raider cost about 100 points alone, it's putting a square peg in a round hole.

Well, the usual loaded Gozanti before underslung TIEs are added in is only ~10ish points more than your usual RAC build.

I imagine it would break the game though purely because of Recover combined with Ramming. If he touches anybody, theys dead. And you basically have to do 5+ damage a turn to keep damage on him, since he can easily be outfitted to beef up his recover action.

Slap in some TibGas cargo since you dont need the docking clamps for an emergency Recover to make things even worse.

Turreted 3die weapon range 1-3, so its not JUST ramming you it can kill you the old fashion way too (though not as reliable).

Rogue One was the callsign for the squad, not the shuttle. The shuttle was simply named SW-0608.

Rogue One was the callsign for the squad, not the shuttle. The shuttle was simply named SW-0608.

...so not SWX58 then?

Rogue One was the callsign for the squad, not the shuttle. The shuttle was simply named SW-0608.

...so not SWX58 then?

Nah..

Star Wars - Cargo Shuttle...... didn't grab the test audiences as much as a call sign, used about 4 times during the entire film. Mind you, no one said the line "A new hope".... in that one either (as fas as I remember).

Rogue One was the callsign for the squad, not the shuttle. The shuttle was simply named SW-0608.

...so not SWX58 then?

Nah..

Star Wars - Cargo Shuttle...... didn't grab the test audiences as much as a call sign, used about 4 times during the entire film. Mind you, no one said the line "A new hope".... in that one either (as fas as I remember).

Of course, "A New Hope" wasn't even the name of that movie until three years after it was first in theaters... originally, it was just "Star Wars", with "Episode IV: A New Hope" added to the opening crawl only when Empire Strikes Back was made and called "Episode V".