Just wanted to start a thread for the discussion of the Zeta-class Cargo Shuttle that appears in Rogue One and it's possibilities in X-Wing.

I'm not sure why, but I love the **** out of this thing. It's seems like a way better Lambda derivative than either Kylo's Upsilon or Krennic's Delta shuttles.

I thought maybe this would have to be an Epic scale ship, but according to the Visual Guide, while it's longer than the Lambda, it's still shorter than the Ghost.

I know Rebels has shown AT-AT's being carried to the surface by Gozanti's, but I think this thing would be much better suited for the job. It just seems like a more dedicated cargo lifter, and the wide flat bottom makes it perfect for it.

It's not unarmed either. Like the Lambda, it seems to have quite a few guns.

Anyway, since the Upsilon recently introduced a non-epic ship with an Epic action, I'm curious if we couldn't get a non-Epic ship with an Epic upgrade slot. Could this ship get a Cargo slot? Obviously, a lot of the Cargo upgrades wouldn't be usable due to the ship not having any Energy, but others like Cluster Bombs and EM Emitter still could.

I think it can only carry one ATAT while the Gozanti can hoist 2, but i imagine this thing is a bit more nimble since its about half-ish as big.

It would be interesting, i mean its another movie-ship so its bound to pop up eventually. You could easily give it limited Energy via a title (after you perform a green maneuver, assign 1 Energy token to your ship to a maximum of 1. Before your Action step, you may assign or spend Energy Tokens if able).

It would give Imperials a ship-specific regen option, since it could use Backup Shield Generators. Without the Recover action, i doubt it would become a broken Vader platform but more than likely a good one.

Other additions:

Engine Booster: premove 1fwd boost for 1 energy, might be a good one depending on how limited the dial is

Comm Booster: This might have to be denied. Spend an energy to remove stress and give a focus on a friendly ship R1-3? that would be broken in normal games.

Ionization Reactor: Probably wouldnt do that since its 5 turns to get it charged up, only works once, and it only gives 1 ion token. But, it could be vital to middle-fingering interceptor type ships.

Slicer Tools: Iffy on this. It eats your action, but thats literal auto anti PTL forcing the opponent to kill this ship ASAP or you dead. The whopping 7pts on a probably low 30pts naked ship though might offset this being a good idea.

Theres also the two you mentioned of course.

Comm Booster is the only obviously broken one to me.

My question would be that if this thing is released, would it be Imperial or Rebel? Actually, it should be the first ship to be BOTH. . .I mean, the movie is named after it, for crying out loud!

Four Imperial pilot cards, but then one for Bodhi Rook and the Stolen Shuttle/Rogue One cards.

Yeah it's a freighter so it'll be the best large ship imps have six attack primary and green Sloops.

My question would be that if this thing is released, would it be Imperial or Rebel? Actually, it should be the first ship to be BOTH.

You make all the generic pilots and one or more of the uniques Imperial because it's an Imperial ship. But then you have ONE Rebel pilot to represent the one that get's stolen in the movie and has plot significance.

It's what Tydirium should be. It's what Sabin's TIE SHOULD have been...

Just wanted to start a thread for the discussion of the Zeta-class Cargo Shuttle that appears in Rogue One and it's possibilities in X-Wing.

I'm not sure why, but I love the **** out of this thing. It's seems like a way better Lambda derivative than either Kylo's Upsilon or Krennic's Delta shuttles.

I thought maybe this would have to be an Epic scale ship, but according to the Visual Guide, while it's longer than the Lambda, it's still shorter than the Ghost.

I know Rebels has shown AT-AT's being carried to the surface by Gozanti's, but I think this thing would be much better suited for the job. It just seems like a more dedicated cargo lifter, and the wide flat bottom makes it perfect for it.

It's not unarmed either. Like the Lambda, it had a bunch of guns all over it in the film.

Anyway, since the Upsilon recently introduced a non-epic ship with an Epic action, I'm curious if we couldn't get a non-Epic ship with an Epic upgrade slot. Could this ship get a Cargo slot? Obviously, a lot of the Cargo upgrades wouldn't be usable due to the ship not having any Energy, but others like Cluster Bombs and EM Emitter still could.

I really like this ship too! It was great in the movie. I don't think it is big enough to carry any ATATs though. Maybe a couple of ATSTs on the bottom, Gonzati style.

I don't think it is big enough to carry any ATATs though. Maybe a couple of ATSTs on the bottom, Gonzati style.

Well, a Gozanti can carry TWO AT-AT's so this thing should easily be able to carry one.

An AT-AT is only 20 meters long. This thing is 35 meters long. There's easily enough space to hang an AT-AT on the bottom.

Or on top

Ok, is it just me?

Would love to see this as Rebel ship more than another Imp shuttle

Or on top

I just want a shot of one of these with an AT-AT on the bottom with it's legs folded up. I think the fact that on the Gozanti it looks like they fly around with their legs extended looks stupid as hell.

Although so far, we've only ever seen a Gozanti carrying walkers right before landing. Never in space. So maybe they do fold up the legs, and they're only unfolded in all the shots because they're about to be dropped off.

Would love to see this as Rebel ship more than another Imp shuttle

. It's what Sabin's TIE SHOULD have been...

Well, at least Sabine's TIE did have a different paint job. The shuttles just look like Imp shuttles.

Or on top

Well, that would look weird, it's not where the cargo is kept, and how would you load and unload it? It just steps over the cockpit? I just want a shot of one of these with an AT-AT on the bottom with it's legs folded up. I think the fact that on the Gozanti it looks like they fly around with their legs extended looks stupid as hell. Although so far, we've only ever seen a Gozanti carrying walkers right before landing. Never in space. So maybe they do fold up the legs, and they're only unfolded in all the shots because they're about to be dropped off.

Would love to see this as Rebel ship more than another Imp shuttle

Eh. I think it's fine. Imps get all the shuttles, Rebels get all the YTs. And considering the YTs tend to be a lot better than the shuttles, they're coming out ahead on the deal.

Now, for the rest of us that don't want to have to fly a YT when we could get a new type of ship (and who knows what a Rebel shuttle might do to the meta?), let's hope they don't listen to you

Yeah no, they should totally listen to you and take a ship where 99% of them belong to the Empire and make them a Rebel ship...

Now, for the rest of us that don't want to have to fly a YT when we could get a new type of ship

Yeah no, they should totally listen to you and take a ship where 99% of them belong to the Empire and make them a Rebel ship...

If only there were a precedent for that.

If you don't want to fly the ships Rebels get, then don't play Rebels. Instead of playing Rebels and asking to get Imperial ships.

You misunderstand, I love the ships Rebels get and love to fly them.

However, I'm not myopic enough to want to lock a ship type to one particular faction, particularly not when it might be meta changing when given to another. I would be against all Imperial ships to be made available to other factions but given that this ship was really only used by Rebels, it would make sense that they include it.

And, with the Imperials having the Lambda, Kylo's BatShuttle and presumably Krennic's Delta shuttle, giving a shuttle to another faction would make additional sense to avoid "shuttle fatigue" for Imperial players.

If only there were a precedent for that.

Yeah, your first precedent is, like, the shittiest thing FFG ever did in this game. And the 2nd is just flat out wrong. 99% of Y-Wings and Z-95 are not flown by the Rebels. Lot's of non-Rebel forces use them.

You misunderstand, I love the ships Rebels get and love to fly them.

However, I'm not myopic enough to want to lock a ship type to one particular faction

You misunderstand, I'm not against giving the Rebels a shuttle. I'm against giving them one that explicitly belongs to the Empire, instead of any of the other hundred or so shuttle types that exist in Star Wars.

I'm partial to them getting a nice repurposed Eta-class from the Clone Wars myself.

If only there were a precedent for that.

Yeah, your first precedent is, like, the shittiest thing FFG ever did in this game. And the 2nd is just flat out wrong. 99% of Y-Wings and Z-95 are not flown by the Rebels. Lot's of non-Rebel forces use them.

Your opinion of the ship doesn't change the precedent. And the point with MW was that ships associated with one faction don't have to be locked TO that faction.

You misunderstand, I love the ships Rebels get and love to fly them.

However, I'm not myopic enough to want to lock a ship type to one particular faction

You misunderstand, I'm not against giving the Rebels a shuttle. I'm against giving them one that explicitly belongs to the Empire, instead of any of the other hundred or so shuttle types that exist in Star Wars.

I'm partial to them getting a nice repurposed Eta-class from the Clone Wars myself.

Right, because how many of those hundred or so shuttles have been recently featured in movies and are almost a certainty to be released? And in the movie, was it primarily seen being flown by the heroes or the imps?

No argument on the Eta-class, I'd buy that in a heartbeat.

Your opinion of the ship doesn't change the precedent.

Right, but it doesn't make it an acceptable excuse either.

Just because someone does something sh*tty doesn't make it okay to do something sh*tty again in the future.

Like I said, I want to see this thing as an Imperial expansion, with a single Rebel pilot included to represent the one in the movie.

In fact, I could see getting two pilot cards for Bodhi. One Imperial for when he was still an Imperial pilot, and one Rebel for him as part of Rogue One.

Your opinion of the ship doesn't change the precedent.

Right, but it doesn't make it an acceptable excuse either.

Just because someone does something sh*tty doesn't make it okay to do something sh*tty again in the future.

Thank Ch rist FFG run all ideas by you first to make sure their additions match your standards.

Oh, wait.

Re how that thing could carry an AT-AT: I could imagine it being useful for the Empire to design a ship with essentially interchangeable modules. My thinking would be the orange section and the lower-deck it's attached to could be swapped out with a bit of work for one designed to carry an AT-AT into battle.

I just felt throughout the film that it just looked like that orange section could be ejected or something.

You misunderstand, I'm not against giving the Rebels a shuttle. I'm against giving them one that explicitly belongs to the Empire, instead of any of the other hundred or so shuttle types that exist in Star Wars.

???????

In canon, the Rebels have stolen a Lambda-shuttle, several Sentinel-class shuttles, a Zeta-shuttle, a TIE Advanced Prototype, and even a Gozanti cruiser.

Stolen Imperial ships should be a feature of the Rebels meta-game if the Sabine's TIE experiment works out. The main change I would make going forward is releasing a couple of Rebel pilot cards with the Imperial ship, rather than making the stolen version it's own release.

You misunderstand, I'm not against giving the Rebels a shuttle. I'm against giving them one that explicitly belongs to the Empire, instead of any of the other hundred or so shuttle types that exist in Star Wars.

???????

In canon, the Rebels have stolen a Lambda-shuttle, several Sentinel-class shuttles, a Zeta-shuttle, a TIE Advanced Prototype, and even a Gozanti cruiser.

Stolen Imperial ships should be a feature of the Rebels meta-game if the Sabine's TIE experiment works out. The main change I would make going forward is releasing a couple of Rebel pilot cards with the Imperial ship, rather than making the stolen version it's own release.

In canon, the Rebels have stolen a Lambda-shuttle, several Sentinel-class shuttles, a Zeta-shuttle, a TIE Advanced Prototype, and even a Gozanti cruiser.

Stolen Imperial ships should be a feature of the Rebels meta-game if the Sabine's TIE experiment works out.

Why even have ****ing factions in the first place then. Might as well let anyone fly any ship they want then if all it takes is one instance to let another faction use a ship.

It's called letting factions actually have a sense of theming and identity.

Also, why would anyone ever play Empire after that when playing Rebels gets you twice as many ship choices?

I do like the new shuttle, even if it doesn't look like a very efficient design (it could barely carry a Rebel team, let alone lots of cargo).

The cockpit is very reminiscent of Kylo's shuttle, giving us a little bit more design continuity .

The cargo compartment is underslung- the bright orange section.