I was referring to myself as a rather new player. I started with the new core but got the impression that the old core is still more relevant, in terms of must-have contents.

I was referring to myself as a rather new player. I started with the new core but got the impression that the old core is still more relevant, in terms of must-have contents.

It has more upgrades and ships that are useful.

It has the old rules which are less useful, and the old damage deck which is usually less useful.

Conversely, why should somebody who entered the game this year buy the old core set ...

(I assume it's still (i) Biggs and (ii) R2D2 - )

Tie Fighters are also still very relevant in the game as 12 point ships.

Plus you get dice and the obstacles.

I don't think the recommendation to get two starters has ever changed. Adding the second starter just changed what the second one is and starting with the newer one is possibly better.

If for some reason you have an abundance of X-Wing and TIE Fighters without the original core picking up the uniques from the core may be as hard as finding a long time player who likely has unneeded repeats of those things. Having two copies of Biggs doesn't do me much good when I can only field one at a time AND I work hard to take care of my stuff so I don't need it replaced due to wear.

Conversely, why should somebody who entered the game this year buy the old core set ...

(I assume it's still (i) Biggs and (ii) R2D2 - )

Tie Fighters are also still very relevant in the game as 12 point ships.

Plus you get dice and the obstacles.

I got my original core set for a bargain (about $20 less than retail), but I could only get the one. It was a couple of years ago now. So the first expansions I bought were an X-wing, a TIE Fighter, and another pack of dice. You simply can't play this game with only 3 reds and 3 greens.

Buying the new core set is not a waste of money. There's nothing wrong with having more dice, and another set of manoeuvre templates and different obstacles is always handy.

So is the new xwing the real xwing fix that ever one wants they just the renamed it same as tie fighter guess all get new x wing and tie fighter

So is the new xwing the real xwing fix that ever one wants they just the renamed it same as tie fighter guess all get new x wing and tie fighter

No.

The T-70 is effectively the old X-Wing with a built in Engine and Shield Upgrade plus a couple of dial extras for even more points. It's not a "fix" in that it didn't solve the old X-Wing's issues and its also not a fix because you can't use it with the pilots of the old X-Wing.

The TIE Fighter and TIE/fo (old and new) may look nearly identical (especially given the same paint job) but have a few key difference with the TIE/fo's built in Shield Upgrade (which it pays for) being one of the bigger ones.

Well if I got new x wings I bee using old xwing cards with new xwing same with ties

Given your previously stated complete disregard for the rule set as it stands, that doesn't surprise me at all.

Well if I got new x wings I bee using old xwing cards with new xwing same with ties

Which is blatantly against the rules. It's like using an A-wing pilot with a B-wing ship. You just can't do that. And you say you've been trying to show other people how to play?! Something doesn't sound right here.

The new core set and the new ships have been available for over a year now. These ships were in Episode VII and are not just a repaint on the old model. They're very different ships with different dials, maneuvers and additional upgrade options. And I cannot understand why you don't seem to understand that when you've been playing this game as long as you say you have.

I think I can see why you are having trouble getting the 40K players to try X-wing - you probably have no idea what you're doing!

How is it against rules to use xwing pilots in xwings

I haven't tried to get any one in to x wing in in almost 2 yrs even the ones who went out and got there own rules and taught them self's to play stopped rules where just to hard to get. a how hard it was to kill any thing in less game

And as I now only play with my brother and against my self I dont see be deal no one play's xwing in my state so I never have to play any one else

Because they're different ******* ships! A T-65 X-Wing is different to a T-70 X-Wing. Different stats; different dials. You don't get to assign pilots to ships in this game.

How is it against rules to use xwing pilots in xwings

I haven't tried to get any one in to x wing in in almost 2 yrs even the ones who went out and got there own rules and taught them self's to play stopped rules where just to hard to get. a how hard it was to kill any thing in less game

And as I now only play with my brother and against my self I dont see be deal no one play's xwing in my state so I never have to play any one else

It's against the rules because they are different ships and the rules say the pilot cards must go with a specific model. When we consider all of the problems you seem to have with many other rules I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that you have trouble with this one.

Now when it comes to using proxies I'm fine as fine with you using alternative models (or even no model!) as I am allowing you to proxy upgrade cards that you may not have/have enough of. However even when you do that I may not say the model is important but you will still need to use the correct dial for the ship the pilot is flying. If you're going to tell me I can use Biggs with his cost and abilities on a T-70 using T-70 shields, dial, and action bar plus maybe the additional upgrade slot you've once again radically changed the game.

If you're saying the original X-Wing is the same as a T-70 and the original TIE Fighter is the same as the TIE/fo then does that also mean I could somehow throw Vader into a TIE Defender? I'm afraid you trying "reading between the lines" when it comes to the rules that it is no wonder you have trouble with them; you likely project those same problems onto anyone else who is trying to learn the rules which poisons their understanding as well.

How is it against rules to use xwing pilots in xwings

I haven't tried to get any one in to x wing in in almost 2 yrs even the ones who went out and got there own rules and taught them self's to play stopped rules where just to hard to get. a how hard it was to kill any thing in less game

And as I now only play with my brother and against my self I dont see be deal no one play's xwing in my state so I never have to play any one else

Seriously?!? The ships are DIFFERENT!! How do you not get that??

This has got to be one of the easiest games to learn that I've ever played in more than 35 years of gaming! There is nothing that's "too hard" to learn unless someone is teaching them wrong to start with.

And if you only play with yourself or your brother, why did you even bother asking about this in the first place? Especially when you seem unable or unwilling to accept the answers.

I guess I need to stop asking for help because I juat have a different mind set with the game and how it works

Seeing as how none of the help offered ever gets taken on board or even understood, it might be wise.

I guess I need to stop asking for help because I just have a different mind set with the game and how it works

Sadly, when it seem you can't be taught how the game actually works then it probably doesn't do you any good to ask anything related to the rules. Everyone who's followed your posts at all can tell you don't seem to want to play by the same rules that everyone else does; it's pretty much impossible to help someone who is like that and therefore doesn't really want to be helped.

In your earliest posts some called you a troll. Many of us have been giving you the benefit of the doubt there by trying to patiently pointing out what it seems you are doing wrong. From our PoV it seems like your mindset is "this game doesn't work at all as it was designed to work therefore I need to mess with the rules and then ask why they game doesn't work."

If X-Wing were a car you have forgotten to put any fuel in it to make it go and may also have run down the battery. Now maybe you can make it roll with enough people pushing but it seems that if you took it into the shop you'd demand that it get completely torn apart to find out what's wrong despite being told by the repair technician that you just need charge the battery and pour in fuel to make it gol

I guess I just so use to interpreting rules from 40k and others rule heavy game that I just can't brake my habit of trying to understand what the ment to do in rules

Like the new x wing in my mind if it a new x wing it is meant to replace old xwing and that for all x wing pilots can fly new ship

And even the other 40 k players who got the rules for x wing in my area don't get the game and find it to simple and lacking in rules and to hard to get what they meant to do with rules and how your really should be playing the game pluse the size of games just seem strange most of use got lots of ships thinking we need big squads not 5 our less squads

You don't have a different mindset. You're playing the game at odds with the core rules and premise. Willfully and knowingly.

You and your brother might be pushing miniatures around a mat and rolling dice; but by your own self-admitted inability and refusal to play according to the rules, what you're playing is not what the rest of us would know as X-Wing.

So ever on OK spending hrs flying around trying to kill each other with low number of attacks each ship gets and how easy some ships just can't be hurt and how other have so much HP nothing can kill them and how runing in to each other is OK because ii real been trying to fellow the rules to letter and just can't get over some things

And how the T70 is not the replacement xwing over the old one

Because they're different ******* ships! Gah!!

I'm calling foul.

I don't know exactly what the WH40K rules are like at the moment, but I know GW, and their games are pretty complicated for the most part (40k always being one of their more complicated games)

If you can understand, follow, and play 40k then you must actually be a fairly intelligent person.

Which is why I believe the only way we could get posts like the ones I'm seeing here is if you were deliberately trying to troll us.

Nobody with the intelligence to play 40k could write posts that make so little sense.

I'm calling foul.

I don't know exactly what the WH40K rules are like at the moment, but I know GW, and their games are pretty complicated for the most part (40k always being one of their more complicated games)

If you can understand, follow, and play 40k then you must actually be a fairly intelligent person.

Which is why I believe the only way we could get posts like the ones I'm seeing here is if you were deliberately trying to troll us.

Nobody with the intelligence to play 40k could write posts that make so little sense.

Especially with the supposition that all X-wings are the same. He's either trolling hard or he has the IQ of a potato.

That's a bit unfair on potatoes...