https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wFtPQNRNzCE

Really good explanation of the building of the second Death Star

The Death Star is game over because it destroys the support network the Rebels need because nobody will house them. If there are Rebels in your system you get superlasered? Rebels would end in Series 1 with Lothal being blown up. Partisans would die the way they died. Hoth? Splat.

The problem with that is that rebels don't just appear on rebel planets.

Lothal is an Imperial world with important Imperial facilities.

The Empire can't just keep blowing up it's OWN worlds every time a Rebel cell appears on one.

It is. How much bigger, we don't know yet

Death Star I is 120km across and Death Star II is 160km across according to Ultimate Star Wars .

Very happy that the Death Stars have been scaled down: they were absurdly big in the old canon, especially the second which dwarfed the first in Legends.

So it dawned on me. They steal the Death Star plans and provide them to the rebel fleet, the imps don't get them back. The place (the only place known to leaders and overseers) where they house the plans is destroyed, (Proby where our X-65 fix is) and they kill all of the leaders, scientists that worked on the Death Star. In fact the place where everyone is working on it is blown up.

So how could that make a 2nd one.............

I have a far bigger one.

TFA established that you can ignore planetary shields when in hyperspace. Hyperspace travel goes right true them. Rogue one established that you can jump into hyperspace while still in the atmosphere.

Getting the data and jumping out into hyperspace should have been no problem at all.

Minor bonus round:

Erso claims that she transmits the plans to the whole galaxy, Hyperspace communication should not be blocked by shields as in hyperspace those shields do not exists as shown in TFA. Time might be here a hindrance, based on the two large amount of data. It is still odd

Minor bonus round;: Why is only one ship receiving the data and none of the ships which jump successfully out.

I actually can't wait to the see the Rogue One Parodies because there are so many things to nitpick. The hammerhead crashing one ISDs into the other? Yeah, sure, because a Corvette is totally able to ignore tractor beams and just push that ISD into another one. Fits to the rules of X-Wing, no barrel roll / against capital ships

TFA established that you can ignore planetary shields when in hyperspace. Hyperspace travel goes right true them. Rogue one established that you can jump into hyperspace while still in the atmosphere.

Getting the data and jumping out into hyperspace should have been no problem at all.

I recall it being portrayed as an incredibly reckless manuever that only Han was daring enough and skilled enough to pull off - at least in the novel - and I think the film had overtones of it too.

TFA established that you can ignore planetary shields when in hyperspace. Hyperspace travel goes right true them. Rogue one established that you can jump into hyperspace while still in the atmosphere.

Getting the data and jumping out into hyperspace should have been no problem at all.

I recall it being portrayed as an incredibly reckless manuever that only Han was daring enough and skilled enough to pull off - at least in the novel - and I think the film had overtones of it too.

You because you risk hitting the planet. But in this case you want to LEAVE the planet which removes all the risk. No one was concerned about the jump into hyperspace from within the atmosphere, which means as well that mass shadows into hyperspace are tiny. Hyperspace travel just got a lot more risky.

The data apparently can't pass through the shield. And we know that there were no warships under the shield for her to beam the data to.

Jyn's "the whole galaxy" sounds to me like hyperbole intended to convince Krennic he'd lost once and for all.

Otherwise Vader's obsession with retrieving the plans in ANH would be pointless if every Rebel in the galaxy had them.

The data apparently can't pass through the shield. And we know that there were no warships under the shield for her to beam the data to.

Jyn's "the whole galaxy" sounds to me like hyperbole intended to convince Krennic he'd lost once and for all.

Otherwise Vader's obsession with retrieving the plans in ANH would be pointless if every Rebel in the galaxy had them.

The shield did collapsed locally, but apparently only a single ship could receive the data. Why oh why? ;-) ;-)

Very narrow beam - only one ship in the beam.

Very narrow beam - only one ship in the beam.

I got sleepy in the end, but it seems not like it was really that in line of sight to the facility if you assume a line of sight signal that pases trough the hole they punched into the shields.

But hey, I did fall for a moment asleep just a few minutes befor that, so maybe I am wrong about that and just missed that part.

If the DSII was "twice" the size of the DSI I'd assume that is in terms of mass which should be directly related to volume. What's the volume of a sphere? I believe it's 4/3 pi r^3 so to double that radius of the 2nd would be about 26% larger.

Seeing some of the arguments about the outgoing plans I see their merits. Rogue One does establish that a jump to hyperspace can be made from within an atmosphere although why we Han my hyperjump through a shield in TFA that doesn't necessarily mean it's the same type of shield or that some kind of tech allowing that hasn't been developed. Maybe it was a narrow beam broadcast but still that seems like the kind of information you'd want to get out quickly.

I'm fairly sure the novel Catalyst (that sets up Rogue One) mentions other facilities. With a project the size of the Death Star, there'd be tons of facilities throughout the galaxy, and probably plenty of secondary scientists from the first one that could have been pulled in. The one that Krenic visits just happens to be the one that Galen is based out of.

It doesn't "just happen" to be Galen's facility. It's actually a plot point that they tell Krennic that the defecting pilot came from Galen's facility (of all the facilities he could have come from) and then Krennic goes straight there. There are plenty of other little engineering stations working on their own Death Star projects, I'm sure.

If nothing else there really should be a copy of the Death Star plans ON the Death Star. I mean you never know when you'll need to figure out where the other end of a given cable comes out.

They did analyize the attack run in Episode 4, and recognized the danger. This implies that the Death Star has a copy of its own plans.

I'm fairly sure the novel Catalyst (that sets up Rogue One) mentions other facilities. With a project the size of the Death Star, there'd be tons of facilities throughout the galaxy, and probably plenty of secondary scientists from the first one that could have been pulled in. The one that Krenic visits just happens to be the one that Galen is based out of.

It doesn't "just happen" to be Galen's facility. It's actually a plot point that they tell Krennic that the defecting pilot came from Galen's facility (of all the facilities he could have come from) and then Krennic goes straight there. There are plenty of other little engineering stations working on their own Death Star projects, I'm sure.

Catalyst deals with the seperate engineering stations that are all working on different projects.

So it dawned on me. They steal the Death Star plans and provide them to the rebel fleet, the imps don't get them back. The place (the only place known to leaders and overseers) where they house the plans is destroyed, (Proby where our X-65 fix is) and they kill all of the leaders, scientists that worked on the Death Star. In fact the place where everyone is working on it is blown up.

So how could that make a 2nd one.............

I have a far bigger one.

TFA established that you can ignore planetary shields when in hyperspace. Hyperspace travel goes right true them. Rogue one established that you can jump into hyperspace while still in the atmosphere.

Getting the data and jumping out into hyperspace should have been no problem at all.

Minor bonus round:

Erso claims that she transmits the plans to the whole galaxy, Hyperspace communication should not be blocked by shields as in hyperspace those shields do not exists as shown in TFA. Time might be here a hindrance, based on the two large amount of data. It is still odd

Minor bonus round;: Why is only one ship receiving the data and none of the ships which jump successfully out.

I actually can't wait to the see the Rogue One Parodies because there are so many things to nitpick. The hammerhead crashing one ISDs into the other? Yeah, sure, because a Corvette is totally able to ignore tractor beams and just push that ISD into another one. Fits to the rules of X-Wing, no barrel roll / against capital ships

1 - A big deal is made of the fact that the shields on Starkiller Base are 'flickering' to save power. Nothing moving at sublight speeds would be able to get across them without being cut in half, but if you go fast enough, you might be able to sneak through while the shields are down. That's why Han approaches the planet at light speed, not because the shields 'don't exist' in hyperspace. The shields at Scarif were constant, no hypering through there.

2 - The file for the plans was enormous, the time taken to beam it across to any other ships would have been prohibitive. As it was they barely had time to load it onto a USB and hand it off to another ship.

Highly likely that the second one was already under construction.

Bla bla Rogue one this, bla bla rouge one that, LOOK PEOPLE, Kyle Katarn snuck into the Imperial Data Center on Danuta, fought his way through the secret imperial station, stole the plans which were stored on a large Red Memory board, and was evacuated on the roof by Jan Ors aboard the Moldy Crow before delivering the plans to the Rebel Alliance and Princess Leia aboard the Tantive IV.

THE END. THATS THE TRUE STORY THAT DISNEY AND THE EMPIRE IS TRYING TO HIDE! It brings them great shame that they were unable to exact revenge on Kyle, and the fact that he single handed took on a entire station worth of storm troopers.

This is all propaganda ment to make the rebels look more menacing in numbers, then the highly trained ex imperial soldiers that a lot of them were. They also want to make it look like the imperials were still able to destroy some of the rebels who pulled off the heist, thus saving at least....some face....

Dont belive these lies, Skywalker never abandoned the galaxy, he went to the dark side, and came back out even stronger to defeat the Emperor again! He trains the new jedi order with his wife Mara Jade, And Corran Horn and other great rebel heros like Wedge Antilles still are in the fight to protect us all.

Bla bla Rogue one this, bla bla rouge one that, LOOK PEOPLE, Kyle Katarn snuck into the Imperial Data Center on Danuta, fought his way through the secret imperial station, stole the plans which were stored on a large Red Memory board, and was evacuated on the roof by Jan Ors aboard the Moldy Crow before delivering the plans to the Rebel Alliance and Princess Leia aboard the Tantive IV.

THE END. THATS THE TRUE STORY THAT DISNEY AND THE EMPIRE IS TRYING TO HIDE! It brings them great shame that they were unable to exact revenge on Kyle, and the fact that he single handed took on a entire station worth of storm troopers.

This is all propaganda ment to make the rebels look more menacing in numbers, then the highly trained ex imperial soldiers that a lot of them were. They also want to make it look like the imperials were still able to destroy some of the rebels who pulled off the heist, thus saving at least....some face....

Dont belive these lies, Skywalker never abandoned the galaxy, he went to the dark side, and came back out even stronger to defeat the Emperor again! He trains the new jedi order with his wife Mara Jade, And Corran Horn and other great rebel heros like Wedge Antilles still are in the fight to protect us all.

It's so cute to see people plug their ears and go lalalalala.

If this is truly your opinion (and I can't tell if you are just trolling or honestly believe all this) how long until you decide that RotJ and Empire are not worthy of your time and that the only 'true' Star Wars is the original.

For better or worse, this is the canon now, and we have to accept it. It doesn't invalidate those stories, Dark Forces has and always will be a fantastic game and a thrilling story. Same with the Thrawn trilogy. You can go back and experience them whenever, but now they have no bearing on what is going on in Star Wars and it was the right move for Disney to make. Whatever you may think, it would have been bad business if all the Episode 7 trailers were. "Okay, now we're doing this film, here's your reading list to understand everything that has gone on...." they wouldn't have attracted audiences with that. Starting anew was the best thing. Besides, let's not pretend that the EU is some kind of god send, it had it's problems too. Outbound Fight? Yuuzhan Vong? Clone Emperor? An Ex-Imperial Admiral becoming chief of state of the New Republic and going on an Anti-Jedi rant?

Bla bla Rogue one this, bla bla rouge one that, LOOK PEOPLE, Kyle Katarn snuck into the Imperial Data Center on Danuta, fought his way through the secret imperial station, stole the plans which were stored on a large Red Memory board, and was evacuated on the roof by Jan Ors aboard the Moldy Crow before delivering the plans to the Rebel Alliance and Princess Leia aboard the Tantive IV.

THE END. THATS THE TRUE STORY THAT DISNEY AND THE EMPIRE IS TRYING TO HIDE! It brings them great shame that they were unable to exact revenge on Kyle, and the fact that he single handed took on a entire station worth of storm troopers.

This is all propaganda ment to make the rebels look more menacing in numbers, then the highly trained ex imperial soldiers that a lot of them were. They also want to make it look like the imperials were still able to destroy some of the rebels who pulled off the heist, thus saving at least....some face....

Dont belive these lies, Skywalker never abandoned the galaxy, he went to the dark side, and came back out even stronger to defeat the Emperor again! He trains the new jedi order with his wife Mara Jade, And Corran Horn and other great rebel heros like Wedge Antilles still are in the fight to protect us all.

It's so cute to see people plug their ears and go lalalalala.

If this is truly your opinion (and I can't tell if you are just trolling or honestly believe all this) how long until you decide that RotJ and Empire are not worthy of your time and that the only 'true' Star Wars is the original.

For better or worse, this is the canon now, and we have to accept it. It doesn't invalidate those stories, Dark Forces has and always will be a fantastic game and a thrilling story. Same with the Thrawn trilogy. You can go back and experience them whenever, but now they have no bearing on what is going on in Star Wars and it was the right move for Disney to make. Whatever you may think, it would have been bad business if all the Episode 7 trailers were. "Okay, now we're doing this film, here's your reading list to understand everything that has gone on...." they wouldn't have attracted audiences with that. Starting anew was the best thing. Besides, let's not pretend that the EU is some kind of god send, it had it's problems too. Outbound Fight? Yuuzhan Vong? Clone Emperor? An Ex-Imperial Admiral becoming chief of state of the New Republic and going on an Anti-Jedi rant?

Hey ironically they did just civil war on the MCU and doing the Infinite War as overarching story. Guess I just missed when the handed out the required reading list for the MCU. ;-)

On another side note, I am sure you would be not so defensive about the new movies if they would be not just passable and actually even a little worse than the MCU movies. ;-)

And yeah the EU started as **** and went to **** later on again. It had a good run for a few books though. Still, the new canon has the new republic founding the resistance and first order … so I am not sure if your critic on the old EU is warranted when the new eu is starting as bad as the old EU became. The new EU basically never had a good run so far … just like the new movies never ever have reach the creativity of the prequels trilogy and are imho rated just below them …but hey at least the dialog is better written, even when the characters and plot in rogue one are even more cringe worthy.

-git add DS\Plans\DSBlueprint.cs

-git commit -m "finished plans"

-git push origin DSplansBup

You have to work in IT son.

We have the plans! Quick, forward them to the rest of the fleet!

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Sithspit.

I'm fairly sure the novel Catalyst (that sets up Rogue One) mentions other facilities. With a project the size of the Death Star, there'd be tons of facilities throughout the galaxy, and probably plenty of secondary scientists from the first one that could have been pulled in. The one that Krenic visits just happens to be the one that Galen is based out of.

In fact I'd argue that it actually enhances the concept of the second Death Star because

It was likely built so it didn't have the flaw in the reactor that Galen installed.

But the Empire still kept Galen's design for a bottomless pit in the Emperor's throne room! He really fought for that one in the meetings.

Also, the lack of guard rails as a cost-savings measure.

One reason the DSII MIGHT have been constructed quicker, could be that the first death star had NUMEROUS delays. Problems with the weapon are talked about in Catalyst. Also the Geonosians who were building the thing had a secret revolt one time and began destroying the thing because their boss told them to.

Lots of delays.

EDIT* - yeah too early for me got the wrong race

Geonosians - but I could see something like that happening again.

I'm fairly sure the novel Catalyst (that sets up Rogue One) mentions other facilities. With a project the size of the Death Star, there'd be tons of facilities throughout the galaxy, and probably plenty of secondary scientists from the first one that could have been pulled in. The one that Krenic visits just happens to be the one that Galen is based out of.

In fact I'd argue that it actually enhances the concept of the second Death Star because

It was likely built so it didn't have the flaw in the reactor that Galen installed.

It had the same flaw in the reactor, just not the exhaust port that could allow a small ship to cause he chain reaction in the first place. With no way to exploit the flaw it's no longer relevant, leading to an invulnerable DSII when completed. The Rebels really did have only one chance to blow it up, by physically flying into the station and targetting the reactor directly.

Why build one when you can build two for twice the cost? DS2 was clearly in construction while DS1 was still being built.

Most likely the Emperor foresaw the destruction of the first death star through the force. He probably even had all the traitors who poop pooped on the force and felt they were now the true power in the galaxy because of the battle station on the station so they would die with it.

This is probably also why, in part, he needed to take direct command of the second death star and put a 'yes man' in charge of its initial construction.