that thing with the shuttles wash was really strange. erso was totally pushed to the abyss, while all the dead people and her father didnt move a millimeter.

also agree that Vaders armor looked absolutely cheap.

I think I saw the ISDs fire when the Rebel Admiral said they have to press the attack, but it surely were not 4 red, 4 blue.

What can happen directly under the belly of an ISD is amazing, though, nobody seemed to react to the slaughtering of Imperial troops in the city below.

The political stuff, as always, was way too short for me, but overall I like the movie, and it is a hundred times better than TFA for me.

Saw the movie a second time tonight and I'm pretty sure there were a decent number of turbolaser bolts flying between the ships in the background. However, they were difficult to make out compared to the shots from all the fighters looping around. In the end the only thing I can say is: there sure was a lot of shootin'!!!!

I think I saw the ISDs fire when the Rebel Admiral said they have to press the attack, but it surely were not 4 red, 4 blue.

They were ISD-1s so obviously no 4 red and 4 blue dice! Perhaps out of range of black dice so only 3 red and 2 blue. Does this make it a better movie for you now? lol

Remember this was the first full scale attack by the rebel alliance and the imps didn't see them coming.

Yeah, the hyperspacing out of atmosphere is a bit annoying, really though maybe because it was a moon the gravity was small enough (still a streach IMO). Also the X-wings just murderizing AT-ATs, guess all they needed was X-wings on Hoth.

I actually liked the hammerhead ramming the ISD, as it was ion'd and in able to stabilize itself. I'm more annoyed by the ISDs doing nothing that fight, like did they even fire??? At least Devastator came in guns blazing and proved that Neb-bs really are that fragile.

I also wondered how the devastator could suddenly destroy so many ships compared to the other two ISDs, but perhaps at that exact moment all their shield power was diverted to charge up the hyperdrive faster, just guessing..

Yeah, the hyperspacing out of atmosphere is a bit annoying, really though maybe because it was a moon the gravity was small enough (still a streach IMO).

I saw it in Clone Wars - so it didn't bother me. Admittedly it was fairly high in the atmosphere.

Yes small ships can in fact move large ships. In fact, it is the only way Russia's last aircraft carrier gets around.

The two ISDs probably didn't have any combat experience nor good leadership. Why Vader's ISD was so capable in comparison.

Yeah, the hyperspacing out of atmosphere is a bit annoying, really though maybe because it was a moon the gravity was small enough (still a streach IMO). Also the X-wings just murderizing AT-ATs, guess all they needed was X-wings on Hoth.

I actually liked the hammerhead ramming the ISD, as it was ion'd and in able to stabilize itself. I'm more annoyed by the ISDs doing nothing that fight, like did they even fire??? At least Devastator came in guns blazing and proved that Neb-bs really are that fragile.

Yep, take the armor off to free up weight for cargo.

Also I imagine the Xwings on Hoth were all tasked on escort duty.

To reference an even more dubious source, in Star Wars Battlefront (the current one) you can bomb an ATAT in an Xwing all day and do nothing to it. You need repeated Ywing bombing to damage it seriously.

My only complaint was that Darth Vader in this movie was wielding his lightsaber in a manner that was inconsistent with A New Hope.

My only complaint was that Darth Vader in this movie was wielding his lightsaber in a manner that was inconsistent with A New Hope.

People would have complained louder if he had wielded as he did in A New Hope.

My biggest problem with Darth Vader was that his voice was sooooo off. He was too fast in his speech....the cadence and timbre....everything seemed off. It sounded like a lazy, disinterested version of James Earl Jones.

The man's 86 and had type 2 for decades. Slack is granted, unless you need to complain that Cushing's corpse wasn't life like enough for you.

My only complaint was the actor they had in the suit didn't study David Prowse's body language, seemingly at all, to mimic the old performance. He didn't move like Darth Vader at all.

The man's 86 and had type 2 for decades. Slack is granted, unless you need to complain that Cushing's corpse wasn't life like enough for you.

My only complaint was the actor they had in the suit didn't study David Prowse's body language, seemingly at all, to mimic the old performance. He didn't move like Darth Vader at all.

That was EXACTLY my problem with Vader

I bought it. We're seeing vader at the height of his power before he became obsessed with finding and turning his son to the dark side (Which when you think about it, is much of what we've seen of Vader's characterization). Most of the things/mannerisms in ANH were abandoned when Empire happened.

Which, again, is why I'm so happy we see ISD-Is all over the place. That model and configuration was only seen in three scenes: The opening, bringing Leia to the DS, and chasing the falcon.

Which, again, is why I'm so happy we see ISD-Is all over the place. That model and configuration was only seen in three scenes: The opening, bringing Leia to the DS, and chasing the falcon.

Technically it was used in TESB a few times. However, at least once, the same ship, the ISD Tyrant (the one depicted as getting hit by ion cannon) was modelled as both an ISD-I and ISD-II - different models for different shots.

Wookieepedia seems to be going with "it's an ISD-I" so presumably we ignore the momentary ISD-II-style shot of it.

My only complaint was that Darth Vader in this movie was wielding his lightsaber in a manner that was inconsistent with A New Hope.

The fencing in ANH is frankly just awful even by the standards of the time, likely due in part to Alec Guinesses' advanced age. Lightsaber fights have gotten progressively better and more intricate over the intervening 6 films, and that's not even counting the excellent stuff in the TV shows.

If there's a real complaint, it's that the lightsaber fight in ANH is inconsistent with all other lightsaber fights in the films.

My only real gripe is with the score. It might just take some getting used to, but at times it sounded... off. Like an imitation of Star Wars music, or a parody. Maybe I'm just so used to John Williams that anything else sounds off.

The Score for the most part sucked. It was good in the final act but it really made the move drag in the first two.

The Score for the most part sucked. It was good in the final act but it really made the move drag in the first two.

Another case of trailer music being much better than the actual score

Why do people keep saying the star destroyers weren't in gravity? They were. The whole premise of the battle requires the planet to be right there.

Oh, and is the Empire being the original designers of the Nebulon B frigate still canon now that the mc75 exists and appears to have been made using similar parts?

It's not that similar - I'd say the long fin owes more to the Quarren-built Providence-class (but upside-down) than the much more knobbly Nebulon-B fin.

The smooth curves on the bridge pod at the end of the fin are pretty Mon-Cal-ish.

The Nebulon-B is still a KDY design in the newcanon, too.

It's not that similar - I'd say the long fin owes more to the Quarren-built Providence-class (but upside-down) than the much more knobbly Nebulon-B fin.

The smooth curves on the bridge pod at the end of the fin are pretty Mon-Cal-ish.

The Nebulon-B is still a KDY design in the newcanon, too.

The Imperials, with their tall bridge tower, did exactly the same thing.

I think the idea was that the poster thought they were in orbit- "free-fall" hence behaving as if they were in zero gravity. But, I don't think that fits - the shield is far too close to the planet for the battle to take place in geostationary orbit (where ships would be stationary relative to the planet's surface).

The main hull (so the not bridge, which is basically a scrotum, who seriously designs a ship that begs to be kicked in the nuts?) looks like a large version of the nebulon's bulky front but (without its column of stuff.) both look like they have oblongs encased in armor that doesn't cover the front bit.

Profundity MC75 from Rogue One Visual Guide

Nebulon-B:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/nebulon-b-frigate

There's similarities - but not enough to justify retconning the Nebulon-B as a Mon Cala design.