I can see the Partisans fighting alongside the Rebel Alliance but I can't see them attacking a Rebel convoy alongside Black Sun.

And yet...

I mean, seriously, how much more obvious could it be that they are not on the same side?

Seriously - these guys are not on the same side.

We arent getting a scum partisan xwing. It just isnt gonna happen. And saw WAS part of the rebellion, and they sent jyn to try to bring him back into it. Sounds more rebel than scum to me.

Not... really.

Saw was part of the Rebellion for a while but they parted ways because he was more extremist than the bulk of the rebels. They sent Jyn to get Bodhi because if they sent anyone else Saw would have shot them, and they needed the information Bodhi had. They explicitly call him and his group out as 'not part of the rebellion'.

And none of them are part of frigging anything any more except a large crater...

She literally said (after saying he was no longer part of the rebellion) that they needed to bring him back into the alliance becaues they needed everyone they could get.

Saw's group - no matter how extreme - were fighting the Empire, making them Rebels. Just because they weren't considered part of Mon Mothma's "Alliance to Restore the Republic" doesn't make them S&V (no matter how hard you want to argue it).

Was Saw in that Clone Wars tv show? I thought I'd heard that somewhere?

Was Saw in that Clone Wars tv show? I thought I'd heard that somewhere?

He was - Season 5, the Onderon arc. Elsewhere, there were allusions to him (Rebels, in the Season 2 episode with Kallus and Zeb on Geonosis's moon, alludes to a run-in with a Lasat mercenary member of Gerrara's group, and Bloodline mentions the ruthlessness of Saw Gerrara's Partisans.

Rogue One: Ultimate Visual Guide tells us that the Death Star was moved from Geonosis precisely because of Saw Gerrara's efforts to find out what the Empire was up to.

We arent getting a scum partisan xwing. It just isnt gonna happen. And saw WAS part of the rebellion, and they sent jyn to try to bring him back into it. Sounds more rebel than scum to me.

Not... really.

Saw was part of the Rebellion for a while but they parted ways because he was more extremist than the bulk of the rebels. They sent Jyn to get Bodhi because if they sent anyone else Saw would have shot them, and they needed the information Bodhi had. They explicitly call him and his group out as 'not part of the rebellion'.

And none of them are part of frigging anything any more except a large crater...

His last line is "save the rebellion", not very "scum and villainy" to me.

And Darth Vader's last action was to assassinate Emperor Palpatine of the Galactic Empire, and his last words to Luke were 'tell your sister you were right'.

Here, lemme check his card real quick...

Ahhh...nope. The Force might allow for last-second-before-death changes in faction affiliation. But FFG doesn't!

The argument there of course is that at that point he is no longer Darth Vader but in fact Anakin Skywaker. So it checks out.

Saw and his groups are rebels, maybe extreme rebels. But they don't fit into the scum each man to his own idealogy. Also I reeeally don't want the scum factions to get x-wings. Rebels being able to fly tie fighters soon just feels sooo wrong. Worst idea in the game yet, lets not have a repeat of such a blunder.

Saw's rebels might not be part of the Rebel Alliance any more but nor is Dash Rendar and nor is the Resistance. The overall faction is called "Rebels" and the Partisans are definitely that.

I would like to believe they have a Saw/Partisan project in the works. Might be a **** good mini-series on Netflix.

Not a mini series but.....

Keep in mind he was already pretty beat-up when Jyn first met him, and that was on the order of 13 years before Rogue One:

We arent getting a scum partisan xwing. It just isnt gonna happen. And saw WAS part of the rebellion, and they sent jyn to try to bring him back into it. Sounds more rebel than scum to me.

Not... really.

Saw was part of the Rebellion for a while but they parted ways because he was more extremist than the bulk of the rebels. They sent Jyn to get Bodhi because if they sent anyone else Saw would have shot them, and they needed the information Bodhi had. They explicitly call him and his group out as 'not part of the rebellion'.

And none of them are part of frigging anything any more except a large crater...

His last line is "save the rebellion", not very "scum and villainy" to me.

And Darth Vader's last action was to assassinate Emperor Palpatine of the Galactic Empire, and his last words to Luke were 'tell your sister you were right'.

Here, lemme check his card real quick...

Ahhh...nope. The Force might allow for last-second-before-death changes in faction affiliation. But FFG doesn't!

Saw's group used to be a part of the Rebel Alliance, so by this logic his change of methods (while still fighting the Empire for ideological reasons) in the last year or two of his life doesn't matter, as he was longer a Rebel than a rebel.

Never saw it saw the ghost plent though. And the y-wings bombing!

That, and the Ion Torpedo scene had me smiling from ear to ear.

However, how did they fit that many into an epic list? Must've been at least 1000 points per side.

They used Ion Torpedoes with NO EPT slots!!!

Why are we asking the question of whether or not Saw's team is considered Rebel or S&V? It's to determine whether or not there is a place for the X-Wing outside of the Rebel faction right!?

The real question we should ask is "Do we want to see the X-Wing outside of the Rebel faction?

1. I say no. This ship is iconically SW and heavily linked to the Rebels. An X-Wing (or variation of it) has appeared dominantly in every non-prequel film and clearly associated with the Rebellion. Moving it to another faction based on the debatable point of whether or not Saw's team fits into one category or another is not enough to deviate from the iconic brand of the X-Wing.

2. Yes, the TIE is a multi-faction ship now but there is a clear rationale as to why. That particular ship appeared heavily in Rebels. Unlike Saw's S&V X-Wing, it's linkages to that faction are not debatable. It's inclusion in the game might not be well received, but those that dislike the ship's inclusion in the Rebel lists cannot deny it's legitimacy.

3. Every 2nd post on these boards are about Rogue 1, every other post is a suggested X-Wing fix. Do S&V really want it? Would it add any value to the game?

I think Saw left the Rebellion because they all pronounced his name "Saul". That bugged me every time they said his name. Had me questioning if I was the one spelling/saying it wrong.

To anyone who thinks they'd never make this thing, they made the quadjumper for gods sake. This X wing's the star of Rogue One by those standards.

Can't we compromise and give S&V an ugly, half an x-wing is better than no x-wing.

To anyone who thinks they'd never make this thing, they made the quadjumper for gods sake. This X wing's the star of Rogue One by those standards.

Nope. Blue Squadron would be the choice.

We arent getting a scum partisan xwing. It just isnt gonna happen. And saw WAS part of the rebellion, and they sent jyn to try to bring him back into it. Sounds more rebel than scum to me.

Not... really.

Saw was part of the Rebellion for a while but they parted ways because he was more extremist than the bulk of the rebels. They sent Jyn to get Bodhi because if they sent anyone else Saw would have shot them, and they needed the information Bodhi had. They explicitly call him and his group out as 'not part of the rebellion'.

And none of them are part of frigging anything any more except a large crater...

His last line is "save the rebellion", not very "scum and villainy" to me.

And Darth Vader's last action was to assassinate Emperor Palpatine of the Galactic Empire, and his last words to Luke were 'tell your sister you were right'.

Here, lemme check his card real quick...

Ahhh...nope. The Force might allow for last-second-before-death changes in faction affiliation. But FFG doesn't!

Can't we compromise and give S&V an ugly, half an x-wing is better than no x-wing.

The K-fighter wasn't X-wing enough for you?