Can we at least all agree now that ramming is a viable option and stop complaining about the collision rules?

FFG really mucked up the ramming rules.

Did we see the corvette take any damage? I think not.

FFG got it so wrong, only the ship getting hit should take damage. Unless you are going to argue that the little corvette had reinforced blast doors?

The Empire didn't realize they had a serious threat until it was too late. Tarkin could have used the Death Star to blow up the rebels fleet starting with big fish one. But he decided to take out the planet instead convieniently disposing his greatest rival at the same time. I think this movie shows that the Empires internal power struggle is more dangerous than the rebellion!

Can we at least all agree now that ramming is a viable option and stop complaining about the collision rules?

FFG really mucked up the ramming rules.

Did we see the corvette take any damage? I think not.

FFG got it so wrong, only the ship getting hit should take damage. Unless you are going to argue that the little corvette had reinforced blast doors?

Well the hammerhead corvette looks like it was designed to ram so I would expect it not to take damage in game when it rams or gets rammed in the front. But I also think it's a suicide ship like the fire ships of old.

Raddis was pretty awesome. It was of note that he and his Mon Cal buddies were blue and white, not the red and warm colors of the RotJ Mon Calamari.

According to the Visual Guide, he was a differnt color because he was from the Northern parts of Mon Cala. They say that the other Mon Cals made fun of him and would call him names because he didn't like blisters on his hull.

But I think we can guess what's really going on here.

I really hope this isn't the last we've seen of him, but I can't see how he could have escaped Vader either on his flagship or the Tantive IV if he managed to board it. The only way I can think of is if he jumped in an escape pod when the ship was disabled, or if the command pod was blown off during the fight.

He was probably a few cell doors down from Leia when Han, Luke and Chewie came to break her out. Maybe if we listen more carefully to the jail-break scene we can here him yelling:

"Hey guys! I'm in here too! Lemme out!"

Something like this?

https://youtu.be/OhMvGgZvtPE?list=PLCcUW2g2RQQ3ryh77tfdinDLgVIaaxnR2

The Empire didn't realize they had a serious threat until it was too late. Tarkin could have used the Death Star to blow up the rebels fleet starting with big fish one. But he decided to take out the planet instead convieniently disposing his greatest rival at the same time. I think this movie shows that the Empires internal power struggle is more dangerous than the rebellion!

It isn't canon anymore, but the first Death Star wasn't accurate enough to hit a ship. Hell, it missed the entire Imperial outpost by a good 50 km.

Death Star 2 was able to target ships and did so with "low powered" blasts.

Also, Tarkin appreciated fear and information. Taking Raddus alive is a big win.

Why is there seemingly so much hate for the cgi Tarkin? I thought all things considered its the best they could have done. Tarkin I think was one of the best parts of the movie. Especially the moment at the end where the Death Star is over Scarif and he orders thecommand to "Fire at will Commander"

It isn't canon anymore, but the first Death Star wasn't accurate enough to hit a ship

Actually in the Legendsverse, the first Death Star was able to hit ships. That not being canon any more fits well with Rogue One.

I loved Tarkin. It would not have been aso good a film for me if he wasn't in it and they hadn't done what they had done.

I thought that Tantive IV being there was a bit plot holey, but if that was the price to be paid for the Vader scene, then I'll take it is suppose.

For the people mad about not really seeing turbo lasers in the fleet battle: I saw the exact same number of turbolaser shots I saw in the fleet battle in the force awakens. Oh wait, there wasn't one.

Here is my comparison between the Star Wars Rebels Hammerhead Corvette and the Rogue One Hammerhead corvette:

The Rogue One model looks far better IMO. Thesubtle details such as the escape pods bring it closer to the design of the corellian corvettes.

Here is my comparison between the Star Wars Rebels Hammerhead Corvette and the Rogue One Hammerhead corvette:

They both look great, though I think Mel's Rogue One model looks better especially as a warship. It would be interesting to see if the Hammerhead Corevette's ship cards reflect the two versions, the Rebels one being a decent bit cheaper but lacking much in the attack department, very weak to no side arcs and okay forward and aft ones, but maybe having access to the Fleet Support upgrades while the Rogue One version is more a combat version with the Turbo Laser upgrade and a decent side arc.

I do hope that the Hammerhead Corvette comes in its Rebels colors instead of the Rogue One colors, personal opinion I just like the weather orange look more than that yellow.

The Empire didn't realize they had a serious threat until it was too late. Tarkin could have used the Death Star to blow up the rebels fleet starting with big fish one. But he decided to take out the planet instead convieniently disposing his greatest rival at the same time. I think this movie shows that the Empires internal power struggle is more dangerous than the rebellion!

It isn't canon anymore, but the first Death Star wasn't accurate enough to hit a ship. Hell, it missed the entire Imperial outpost by a good 50 km.

Actually they didn't miss the base as much as they targeted the transmitter on the top of it. That was what they needed to knock out, to stop the transmision, it's just that the beam only connected at ground level at a distance, making for a visual spectacle as well as a way to experience it from the perspective of Jyn and Cassian (which wouldn't have been possible if they had just been evaporised the second it hit).

Here is my comparison between the Star Wars Rebels Hammerhead Corvette and the Rogue One Hammerhead corvette:

They both look great, though I think Mel's Rogue One model looks better especially as a warship. It would be interesting to see if the Hammerhead Corevette's ship cards reflect the two versions, the Rebels one being a decent bit cheaper but lacking much in the attack department, very weak to no side arcs and okay forward and aft ones, but maybe having access to the Fleet Support upgrades while the Rogue One version is more a combat version with the Turbo Laser upgrade and a decent side arc.

I do hope that the Hammerhead Corvette comes in its Rebels colors instead of the Rogue One colors, personal opinion I just like the weather orange look more than that yellow.

I'm all for coming out with both versions, either available separately or in a box like the Heroes of the Resistance box in X-Wing. Even a Rogue One box set with new sculpts of existing ships would work.

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Everybody dies.... the end.

No surprise there..

Though I was hoping that a few of the characters might show up again in another story. I know they were going for the great sacrifice but still. It's a shame, is all.

Rewatched the movie and paid close attention in the space battle. There is tons of turbo laser fire in the middle and end. At the start the ISDs are not aligned with the Rebel fleet, you can see them start to turn in, and nor are the rebel ships shooting. When they do the Ion bombing run there is a fuckton of lasers firing from the ISD. Look out for the CR90 at the end as well. Lasers everywhere.

I was just thinking... if this was a game of Darth & Droids, this would be a textbook case of a DM getting ticked off at his players for derailing his campaign and pulls a "rocks fall, everybody dies."

I feel like they had to all die. The ending worked because of how grim everything felt despite the rebels escaping with the plans. That's why I think Revenge of the Sith and Empire Strikes Back and now Rogue One have the best endings. A New Hope is a different case, I love the ending with the medal cermony but for different reasons mostly to due with it being the original. That medal ceremony feels much more important now given everything that happens in Rogue One.

The heroes we get to know and love are the lucky ones that made it.

To me it was a pretty good representation of the "Rebellion" game where, as rebels, having a fleet is nice but basically pointless by itself. Using that fleet to complete the objectives that win you the game are what counts.

As opposed to Imperials that have to use their fleet for all the conventional roles - protecting territory, conquering systems all the while tracking down the rebel base.

As a navy man I chuckled a bit when the Captain of the TYRANT saw the rebel fleet emerging

"Thats a... thats a REBEL FLEET! Call the admiral!!!!"

I NEED ADMIRALING!!!

I think it shows that it was the first ever fleet engagement of the Rebellion, and the Imperial Navy is whoefully unprepared for it

I dunno, I don't think everyone had to die. Most of the main cast could have died but maybe one or two of the characters (like Bohdi) could have survived and had their stories told elsewhere.

For instance, Colonel Merrick. It was nice to see Blue Squadron acknowledged as another Yavin Squad, and have more veterans present for Yavin. Merrick could have even lived after recovering from injuries at Scarif and be present at the Yavin ceremony (since there's a man in a cap behind leia that could be Merrick, on the left in this scene):

It would have been cool. But he's dead apparently, his fighter crashed on Scarif. Even if he lived, the airblast would have done him in. The only way I could see him living is if we find out elsewhere that the surviving Rebel troops and fleeing Imperial survivors commandeered every transport they could to flee the area. Maybe Rebels could show it to us, since the Ghost was apparently present at the battle.

I don't recall General Draven dying though, after we see him being present on the Hammerhead. I'd like to see him show up again in the Rebellion.

Gneral Dravin could have just been made Cracken, same job

The Rogue One Visual Guide clarifies that he's Airen Cracken's immediate subordinate - temporarily in charge of intelligence while Cracken is away setting up spy rings in the Outer Rim.

I dunno, I don't think everyone had to die. Most of the main cast could have died but maybe one or two of the characters (like Bohdi) could have survived and had their stories told elsewhere.

For instance, Colonel Merrick. It was nice to see Blue Squadron acknowledged as another Yavin Squad, and have more veterans present for Yavin. Merrick could have even lived after recovering from injuries at Scarif and be present at the Yavin ceremony (since there's a man in a cap behind leia that could be Merrick, on the left in this scene):

It would have been cool. But he's dead apparently, his fighter crashed on Scarif. Even if he lived, the airblast would have done him in. The only way I could see him living is if we find out elsewhere that the surviving Rebel troops and fleeing Imperial survivors commandeered every transport they could to flee the area. Maybe Rebels could show it to us, since the Ghost was apparently present at the battle.

I don't recall General Draven dying though, after we see him being present on the Hammerhead. I'd like to see him show up again in the Rebellion.

Maybe. Part of the theme of this movie though is that despite the casualties the rebels inflict, the Empire is extremely powerful and capable. In a New Hope almost all of the rebel pilots die to just tie fighters.

This movie is the opposite of the show Rebels and I very much appreciate that. I dont hate Rebels at all but when all you see is Imperials being stunned and killed and outwitted it sort've takes the threat of the Empire away. Because so so many rebels, elite rebels at that, died and were wiped out I actually feel like the Empire is a legitimate threat.

There's a nice storytelling conversation going on between the Rebels' suicide mission and Krennic's ambitions. The Rebels laid down their lives but their sacrifice was honored by their comrades who used their mission to achieve victory. Krennic and his work were exploited by Tarkin, and he was cut out of the new power he helped create, and eventually was erased in order to enhance the prestige of his rivals.

There's a nice storytelling conversation going on between the Rebels' suicide mission and Krennic's ambitions. The Rebels laid down their lives but their sacrifice was honored by their comrades who used their mission to achieve victory. Krennic and his work were exploited by Tarkin, and he was cut out of the new power he helped create, and eventually was erased in order to enhance the prestige of his rivals.