To get away from this debate on the degree of victory/loss:

Did anyone else happen to catch a bit of background calling during one of the Rebel base scenes. There was a call for a 'General Syndulla' over the PA system. I thought that was a nice touch. I just wonder if it was Hera or Cham.

I did like the call for General Syndulla, and while I don't know if we'll get anything more from that scene, the VCX they showed before that (if I recall it was before that when they just arrived on base) looked like the front of the Ghost rather than just a sterile transport.

Spotted Chopper too! Lol

What was the ship we saw the back of a few times from the bridge window? Was it the brahtok ship?

I REALLY hope they release a new model for the ISD-1 (I know they won't but I mean come on, that thing was BEAUTIFUL). Yo make it different from current ISD I would do 4 blue/4 black out the front, 2 blue 2 black out the side, and blue/black out the rear. Engineering 3, squad 1 (this is a pure battleship), command 3. Title, offensive retro, officer, weapons team, ion, and ordinance slot. This limits you to giving up gunnery team or ion slot to get re-rolls UNLESS you use Vader (fitting for his flagship). No Turbolasers prevents XI-7 so you can't one shot MC80's once you get into range. No red dice fits with imps needing to "catch" the rebels, but if you've seen rogue one you can see what happens when they DO get caught in range. Thoughts?

Devestator is an ISD-I, with a Title.

You can already do that in the Game.

No one does...

... Shouldn't get new toys until you've played with all the ones you have

Devestator is an ISD-I, with a Title.

You can already do that in the Game.

No one does...

... Shouldn't get new toys until you've played with all the ones you have

Agreed. My brother and I did random Fab fleets a few weeks back (which was an experience), and I got an ISD-1 Devastator. It went out in a shower of sparks, of course, but almost one-shot a fully healthy AF-II (5 of 6 hull, double cries from XX-9s). It was very satisfying. Unfortunately Fabs gave me Tagge instead of Vader, so he activated and limped off into the sunset. Should have had Vader instead, obviously. :-P

Devestator is an ISD-I, with a Title.

You can already do that in the Game.

No one does...

... Shouldn't get new toys until you've played with all the ones you have

There are enough differences that you could certainly justify a new model for it, with a repaint. (I mean, how badly I long for a Star Destroyer in white! Same type of painting as the X-Wing Lambda would work fine for me...)

From Mel's conversion kit...

(Not quite sure the differences would be enough to sell the model with the same paint scheme - but do those changes, and make it white, and yeah...I'm in for a couple!)

I would buy a rogue one branded isd 1 in a heartbeat...

Devestator is an ISD-I, with a Title.

You can already do that in the Game.

No one does...

... Shouldn't get new toys until you've played with all the ones you have

There are enough differences that you could certainly justify a new model for it, with a repaint. (I mean, how badly I long for a Star Destroyer in white! Same type of painting as the X-Wing Lambda would work fine for me...)

From Mel's conversion kit...

(Not quite sure the differences would be enough to sell the model with the same paint scheme - but do those changes, and make it white, and yeah...I'm in for a couple!)

The differences are Superficial.

And my big point was - no-one cared at Release. An ISD was an ISD...

I do applaud Mel for his work on it..... But I made the changes to my own ISD myself, including the Repaint...

To be honest, compared to most of the "issues" and "discrepancies" with the Models in Armada - the ISD is a Minor issue.

I mean, to point out what I mean...

In every case, we have Ships which, depending on variant, are visually quite different... Now, the variants themselves are handled by the Ship Cards...

Unfortunately, there is only one Ship for each Ship Class, to be shown as a Model...

So FFG has taken the most Iconic of those, at the time of Production - to be the Showcase....

This is why the Corellian Corvette comes painted as The Tantive IV... That is why the Nebulon B is Redemption (The Medical Frigate!)...

and Ultimately...

Why the ISD-II, which, although is not the first ISD shown, is the most Numerous ISD Shown and Recognised in the Original Star Wars Movies (Since that is what is meant by "Iconic")...

Am I completely dismissing the eventual possibility? No. X-Wing has finally showed us that they will not only do a variant based on paint job as they have so far before - but actually done a variant based on model itself...

And even then, it got a lot of Hate for being just a copy with new cards, anyway...

I'd rather be considering having a Game System where they don't have to go back and provide models that are small in variation...

Maybe my biggest problem here is I have no inclination towards OCD whatsoever.

If that's a victory, it was a Pyrrhic one.

So a 6-5 then?

10-1, objective was worth 1000 points.

My favorite part of the movie was seeing the flotilla get wrecked by the Devastator.

Very, very minor nitpick, here. The way Tarkin casually announces "Vader will deal with the Rebel fleet"...you sort of expect more than him just showing up with a single Star Destroyer, given we just saw that very same Rebel fleet destroy TWO Star Destroyers.

I don't hate that Vader shows up in the Devastator - that totally works. Just wish that it wasn't the same class of ship that the Rebels just wiped out a pair of. IMHO, would have been better if the 'garrison' ships had been older designs. IDEALLY Victory-class ships (wow, I would have loved that) - but I'd have taken Venator-class, too. Just...not have the Rebels manage to take out two ships of a type that the big, scary reinforcements amounts to...one more of the same thing.

You could also take that line as Vader himself will deal with the Rebel fleet, regardless of what Star Destroyer he was on. It was probably his order to bring the Devastator out of hyperspace practically on top of the Rebel fleet to blow them away. Ironically, Ozzel used this same strategy in Empire and got force choked for it.

I would have gone for some older ships as well, but I'm just as happy seeing classic ANH ISD-I models getting screen time to shine instead of being locked away for all of two scenes in ANH. However I did notice what looked like a Venator's turbolaser turret firing from the planetary shield base. And we see a Juggernaut transferring prisoners earlier, so there's definitely some notes of old technology still hanging around the universe from bygone eras.

I do not have a trained eye when it comes to ISDs, my only cue is the antennas on the ISD-Is. These also appeared to be much bulkier and narrow than ISD IIs (or the Armada model). Does this mean we can expect an actual ISD-I model for Armada?

I think some people are confusing the weakness Galen designed as the exhaust port rather than the reactor itself.

With this in mind an alternative strike plan could of been to infiltrate the DS1 with a saboteur team to plant some sort of explosive device on the main reactor.

Star Wars Bloodline hints at this too and so does some other comic.

I believe they went for the exhaust port bombing run due to the little time they had to prepare with Leia being tracked back to the base

I think some people are confusing the weakness Galen designed as the exhaust port rather than the reactor itself.

With this in mind an alternative strike plan could of been to infiltrate the DS1 with a saboteur team to plant some sort of explosive device on the main reactor.

Star Ward Bloodline hints at this too and so does some other comic.

I believe they went for the exhaust port bombing run due to the little time they had to prepare with Leia being tracked back to the base

agreed. he designed a flaw in the Kyber crystal reactors so it'll blow if it takes damage. (implied that only when it is active, like when powering up for a shot)

he told them to get the structural details of the death star so they could figure out how best to reach the reactor and inflict that damage. the exhuast port just proved to be the most convenient route for the attack given the resources they had. presumably he was only working on the reactor design itself. how it fit into the rest of the DS-1's structure, and where the various ports and inpuuts and such are located were not part of the data he had, otherwise he'd have sent it along with the message.

Also, those people complaining about the exhaust port leading directly to the reactor.. that is what a freaking exhaust port does. it is for getting rid of gasses or heat from a powerplant. that YouTube video with the complaining engineer is more or less correct.. it is a small miracle they were able to get that exhaust port to be only 2 meters wide, when it is venting a reactor able to power a planet killer weapon. if it doesn't lead to the reactor, it can't do its job.

This sounds terrible to me. I actually am quite fond of the manouvre tool

Some people are, but it's purely window dressing. Unfortunately it comes with several drawbacks which make it an obviously inferior choice, IMO. Such as ship speeds being limited to one of four bands, all maneuvers being limited to two yaw values, the inability to place a ship 'part way' along it's move (like you can in X Wing for example) which has the flow-on effect of creating the clumsy ramming rules we currently have. Obviously the limitations of a 2D table mean we can't actually place one ship above another, but at the very least we should be able to move them into base contact with one another, and a more flexible movement system would allow that. Even the one in Dreadfleet is superior to the one in Armada.

I would love a Rogue One themed ISD I. Same shipcard so essentially just a repaint but more importantly a way to get Rogue One Imperial commander and officer cards.

Otherwise only the Rebels will get Rogue One themed ships and continue to shift the balance of ship numbers towards the rebels.

Devestator is an ISD-I, with a Title.

You can already do that in the Game.

No one does...

... Shouldn't get new toys until you've played with all the ones you have

Plus it was fun thinking of how it could be made different from the first ISD cards that came out. This does that (and matches Vaders personality well I think) by eschewing defensive capabilities (no DR, lower squadron stats, lower engineering) for pure destruction, which the 4 blue/4 black would provide IF you can get it into range and then not get flanked.

Again, as I said in my original post I doubt they WILL do a rogue one remodel, but it would be pretty **** cool if they DID

P.S.- I've used Devastator quite a bit (I've used every currently released ship in at least 5 games) and while I love it and the destruction it can bring, I think it is too highly costed OR restrictive with the one shot rule. Plus then you need to build support for it (interdoctor+ comma net flotilla), at which point most opponents try their darnedest to not shoot Devestator at ALL, try to slip by him and maybe take out a flotilla or smaller ship...

I think you will understand my impulsive desire after you have seen the movie. The shots of that ship... mmmmmmmm.

So, we'll talk about this again in August then?

I think you will understand my impulsive desire after you have seen the movie. The shots of that ship... mmmmmmmm.

So, we'll talk about this again in August then?

This makes me a sad panda... Why?!

Because that's when it'll be on Netflix in Canada.

Because that's when it'll be on Netflix in Canada.

You can't slip away for one night to see this amazing movie? I know you are a full time Dad, but realistically how many bothans can your little one kill in one night of being supervised by someone else?

Because that's when it'll be on Netflix in Canada.

Dude I dont say this often because most movies really suck. You need to see this in theatres.

If you have a legit reason to not thats cool and even if you don't that's your business but I highly recommend seeing Rogue One on a big screen.

Because that's when it'll be on Netflix in Canada.

Dude I dont say this often because most movies really suck. You need to see this in theatres.

If you have a legit reason to not thats cool and even if you don't that's your business but I highly recommend seeing Rogue One on a big screen.

Seconded

It is what it is. Life does that. Can only pay for so much, and there's some things that money can't physically buy this time of year, anyway...

Besides, its not like I can hang out here and not have almost every detail spoiled, anyway...

No-one used Spoiler tags, and I got summary sheets delivered because of it.

Ask thecactusman about using Devastator, since he does. I think it's a bit overcosted but I haven't seen for myself the damage it could do. I've always tried to preserve my ISDs, not recklessly use them and try to destroy as much as I could on my way out.

Ask thecactusman about using Devastator, since he does. I think it's a bit overcosted but I haven't seen for myself the damage it could do. I've always tried to preserve my ISDs, not recklessly use them and try to destroy as much as I could on my way out.

I've one shotted AFs with a fully powered Devastator shot before... Unfortunatley my play group has since wisened up and will NOT attack the ISD with that title anymore...

hi everybody!

i am from germany so my english is bad. apologies for that.

saw the movie yesterday and i think its boring. did not like the flat characters but the space-action was okay.except for the ramming scene with the two ISDs.

i really like star wars but maybe i am getting too old for such run of the mill action movies.

the new calamari ship is really ugly. i hope it will never reach armada.

and i have a question. why did the empire did not just destroyed the antenne of that tower??? without it, the rebels could not send the information about the deathstar and the empire would be save. there even was a imperial fighter shooting at jyn!

am i missing something?