Yup, main killer and source of injuries in the modern Mideast Wars are IEDS, RPG's, Grenades. IED's being the big one. Sniping takes up 2'nd.

Wow. I didn’t know that Role Playing Games were so dangerous!?!

Yup, main killer and source of injuries in the modern Mideast Wars are IEDS, RPG's, Grenades. IED's being the big one. Sniping takes up 2'nd.

Wow. I didn’t know that Role Playing Games were so dangerous!?!

Are you kidding me? You should see the damage they do to my bank account.

Yes Malachai, B wing prototypes were not even fielded until between the ESB and ROTJ nor were the super expensive and hard to maintain A-wings. A-wings were a quick counter to the TIE Interceptors which were themselves a counter to the Rebels increased use of X-wings over the older and slower Y-wings and zebras and were based on what was learned from Vader's TIE improved. A-wings after the war were replaced by more advanced and more easily maintained fighters although the existing fleet of them was maintained. B-wings were Ackbars pet project because Alliance command didn't see the point of an expensive fighter bomber when they were already stretched on resources for their existing fighter fleet. One of the reasons I only watch Rebels for the story because the timeline is all screwed up. I mess with my wife when we watch it and she says something about one of the characters and casually mention, "You know he/she is going to die, right?"

You guys are correct, but what was it Disney said about Star Wars? Something similar to "We DGAF about anything that came before we bought it, WE SAY what is canon/official/correct now". Something like that, right?

I understand wanting to get rid of some aspects of EU, Legends, etc. Especially after reading a bunch of the WotC books and mags lately. But I think they could have kept certain parts of the story (such as the timeline on the B-wing, A-wing, TIE Interceptor, etc) without much trouble.

Then again, they wouldn't be able to show all the cool ship variants in anything set before ESB, really, so I can understand why they're tossing that along with the rest of the Old Canon. Not from a story perspective, mind you, I get it from a marketing perspective. Show people all kinds of cool new things in the movies and shows, sell kids toys of those new vehicles, etc. The only people that will care that the B-wing appears in Rebels (before the Battle of Yavin), rather than a few years into the war (RotJ), nevermind how it's now a fast-attack fighter rather than a slow bomber that can put some hurt on frigates (possibly even larger capital ships), are total Star Wars nerds. And they'll buy whatever Star Wars products are offered, regardless of how much they grumble about it.

The key thing I find is that the old EU basically is null and void. Phrase it however one likes but they have a very particular vision going forwards, a rather sterile view so far, but one that is continuous with itself.

I always thought it to be a bit strange that Akbar was trained by Tarkin, designed the B-wing despite being an admiral, a role associated with commanding. I feel that a character or ship can be significant without name dropping like a socialite at a convention so I don't really mind greatly who designed what ship. What bothers me a little more was that I never saw X-wings during the prequils despite having the appearance of fairly old craft in the OT.

I thought Ackbar designed it before his promotion to admiral?

Yes, but I still find it strange that a starship designer would then become an Admiral. The old EU suffered a lot from attributing a lot of tasks to a small cast of characters.

Yes, but I still find it strange that a starship designer would then become an Admiral. The old EU suffered a lot from attributing a lot of tasks to a small cast of characters.

Hos role in leading the developing the B-wing was more like that of Tarkin leading the development of the Death Star. Just because your name is at the top of the briefings doesn't mean your the engineer that actually designed the thing.

Yes, but I still find it strange that a starship designer would then become an Admiral. The old EU suffered a lot from attributing a lot of tasks to a small cast of characters.

Hos role in leading the developing the B-wing was more like that of Tarkin leading the development of the Death Star. Just because your name is at the top of the briefings doesn't mean your the engineer that actually designed the thing.

And this is actually how it works in the real world. The Program Manager type is usually a pretty high level officer because of the responsibility involved. He doesn't have to get all the math, he just needs to manage the personnel, meet deadlines, keep the system under development operationally viable and the engineers focused on that, and so on. It actually can be a difficult assignment for an officer, as leading civilian engineer types and managing program resources is quite different from an actual command.

So it actually pairs off well. Someone like Akbar had done military commands and worked in the political circle, taking on an acquisition command equivalent slot would make for a very well rounded resume on a well connected officer, making promotion to Admiral quite viable.

Even works for the likes of Kennic now. He's just a "Director" but it's clear he's got some pretty significant rank and clout. Not everyone gets their own customized guard force, a personal where ever when ever shuttle, and has no trouble just walking into the crib of a special emissary of the Emperor to complain about his boss taking all the credit. So the guy is probably a General/Admiral equivalent, if just because of the level of responsibility he has and how he can't have anyone short of a Moff or Sith Lord pushing him around.

The more I think about how they are drawing from Legends and how it might apply to the B-Wing. I would not be surprised if Ackbar does end up being the Program Manager for the Alliances B-wing Project in the New Canon. In rebels we find know the Alliance got their hands on the prototype, but it is obviously not ready for production. Yes, Rebels introduced Quarrie as the "Mechanic" / Engineer / Designer of the B-Wing, but that does not mean he will be given full control over the Alliance's B-Wing Program. It would not be to far of a stretch that Ackbar is who over see's the program overall and the person to decide how to deploy the B-Wings.

The more I think about how they are drawing from Legends and how it might apply to the B-Wing. I would not be surprised if Ackbar does end up being the Program Manager for the Alliances B-wing Project in the New Canon. In rebels we find know the Alliance got their hands on the prototype, but it is obviously not ready for production. Yes, Rebels introduced Quarrie as the "Mechanic" / Engineer / Designer of the B-Wing, but that does not mean he will be given full control over the Alliance's B-Wing Program. It would not be to far of a stretch that Ackbar is who over see's the program overall and the person to decide how to deploy the B-Wings.

Shush with such level-headed discourse. Don't you know that we must throw tantrums and demonstrate mocking disgust for the new canon? There can be absolutely NO tolerable ideas (never mind good ones) to come out of the new canon.

I can mix my mocking disgust with level-headed discourse. Once upon a time, being able to do so was not considered remarkable.

I watched it - I loved it.

was stunned by the CGI apearence of Tarkin and Leia. (had no problem with them beein CGI at all.)

loved Bada$$ Vader (including his pun)

The movie was funny and dark(grey) at the same time.

I was absolute sure all of the crew would die (and was right about it *looking at my wife*)

Also like the little Cameos (Capt. Antilles, R2s, 3PO, Chopper, Doc and Aqualischian Killerdude [evenso they would have been fitted better within the captive convoi, but ok], the Ghost, Red & Gold Leader, and so on... quite a lot actually...)

Also Nice to see that the Deathstar had an actuall second firemod for... more precisly attacks ^^

The battle scene was also a blast!

K2 best droid since R2

Only some little stings of discomform:

opening Scene: a bit too long for my taste (evenso the hillarius blue milk returned!), think the scene in the field (mommy gets killed, child runs away and hides fade over to Title) would have been sufficent, but ok (taste of style)

Missing crawl... not to hard on this but I wished for an short openingfanfare style sound when the title appeared.

and even so it was cool, the scene that Vader chased the naval rebel troopers with the data to leias ship, while in ANH it is said they followed the tranfer to her was a little bit strange, but minor mistakes don't ruin this nice piece of work:

9/10 by my rating ^^

I think it's implied by R1 that Vader meant intercepted a transmission from Scarif. So it still works, and it would be in character for Vader to not mention the troopers that ran the datacards from him, sinceto Vader, they just weren't important enough to care about.

So Yavin is what, several light-minutes from Scarif? A parsec or two, tops? And Vader's ship was hanging out a system or two over, waiting for the excrement to impact the oscillating impeller? This didn't bother me at all while watching the movie, but it's bothering the hell out of me now, in retrospect. I know other people have been complaining about the way this skews hypertravel (and the possible ramifications), but it does seem a bit contrived.

I think that Vader left with his ship after he learned about the attack to Scarif, which may have happened later than the Alliance did. So he arriving at the end of it kinda makes sense. The rebel fleet arriving at Scarif so fast is much more troublesome considering how far it is from Yavin (if Scarif location near Cristophsis is true and not some speculation), but the film mentions that Admiral Raddus had already moved his fleet to prepare to engage the imperials so it could have been closer and so arrived faster.

Or the travel times are actually so much faster than the game rules allow. Maul did arrive on Tatooine from Coruscant in one day back in TPM, but he was also using a very fast ship on a major hyperlane.

The rebel fleet arriving at Scarif so fast is much more troublesome considering how far it is from Yavin (if Scarif location near Cristophsis is true and not some speculation), but the film mentions that Admiral Raddus had already moved his fleet to prepare to engage the imperials so it could have been closer and so arrived faster.

The Rogue One visual guide has a map with Yavin being in the usual "north" part of the outer rim, but Scarif off on the right/east edge of the outer rim in the ballpark of Tatooine (short chase after Scarif battle).

The visual guide is probably considered canon under the new Disney rules. Even so I would put it at pretty low canon myself due to issues I'm finding in its pages. For example, the DH-17 (Rebel Trooper blaster pistol) is called a blaster rifle in the visual guide.

So another significant world is placed near Tatooine... You might think it was sitting at the bright center of the universe or something...

Disney is doing whatever they want. Hyperspace travel is speed of plot, and as long as it is dramatically appropriate, gravity wells don't matter. Everyone has holonet communications and you can have real-time conversations across the galaxy, and even while in hyperspace with just a wrist comm

So another significant world is placed near Tatooine... You might think it was sitting at the bright center of the universe or something...

Not "near", just same area of space. I said ballpark. It seems to be closest to Gamorr when comparing it to the Galaxy map most of us are using. Even so, I understand why it should be relatively close to Tatooine. They wanted the end of R1, with the Tantive IV fleeing Vader, to transition into the chase scene at the start of Ep. IV. Putting the two worlds on opposite ends of the Galaxy would have some fans complaining it was too far way to give us the feel that R1 just ended where Ep. IV starts, which was the intention of the writers.

How about the Rebels appearing on Eadu in the span of minutes after they received the command to head there, all the way from Yavin 4...

That's ok, hyperspace has always just been a plot device.

So another significant world is placed near Tatooine... You might think it was sitting at the bright center of the universe or something...

The Arkanis Sector does seem like a sink well of backwater trouble, doesn't it?

The Vader end-scene has now become slangified in our game, which is AU and stars two Jedi survivor's in 12 BBY. A twelve-man squad of stormtroopers found themselves trapped in a short hall with the protagonists, who are now 500+ point saber monkeys. I think I had as much fun narrating the frantic com-chatter and desperate blazing away as the players did the flourishes of their reflects and strikes. The dice and destiny tokens were with them. When it was over one of them, wide eyed, said: "I think we just went Full Vader."

Full Vader. Its a thing.

The Vader end-scene has now become slangified in our game, which is AU and stars two Jedi survivor's in 12 BBY. A twelve-man squad of stormtroopers found themselves trapped in a short hall with the protagonists, who are now 500+ point saber monkeys. I think I had as much fun narrating the frantic com-chatter and desperate blazing away as the players did the flourishes of their reflects and strikes. The dice and destiny tokens were with them. When it was over one of them, wide eyed, said: "I think we just went Full Vader."

Full Vader. Its a thing.

But it hasn't made it all the way to verb status yet.

Y'know, like how Walking Dead turned "Otis" into a verb?

How about the Rebels appearing on Eadu in the span of minutes after they received the command to head there, all the way from Yavin 4...

That's ok, hyperspace has always just been a plot device.

It depends on where Eadu is. I haven't been able to find it even on the updated maps with Jedha and Scarif.

How about the Rebels appearing on Eadu in the span of minutes after they received the command to head there, all the way from Yavin 4...

That's ok, hyperspace has always just been a plot device.

It depends on where Eadu is. I haven't been able to find it even on the updated maps with Jedha and Scarif.

R1 Visual Guide map places Eadu in the area of Lothal and Nal Hutta.

In the map that we have of the game, version 1.6 that was just recently updated, Eadu is up at the top of the map near Hutt Space.

Yavin 4 is across the map to the left of that.

Unless the plot requires it, movies never correctly account for time. Ever. Clocks jump, actions take much more or much less time than they would in real life, travelling from Point A to Point B moves at the speed of plot, etc. etc. etc.