Spear carrier #3 was creating Oscar buzz at the time.

I've finally watched the movie. I want to say I loved and hated it.

I felt the characterization was somewhat sloppy. I couldn't really care about anyone. Which was sad because when we get to the end of the movie and everyone starts dying I really wished I was more invested in the characters so that those deaths would have more meaning for me. I think the only death I felt was the driods because he was so amusing for most of the film.

The story itself was fine. Not the best war story I've seen but not the worse. The lack of a crawl took me out of the movie for a moment. Not sure if it was a good idea not to do one.

But I guess I liked it most because it was new. Like this isn't something we've really experienced from a Star Wars film and on that count it won a lot of points from me. One of the reasons TFA was so flat for me was because it was just a retread of everything I'd seen in Star Wars before. So seeing an actual war story with Rebels who may or may not be as good as we are lead to believe made the experience overall enjoyable.

The "Star Wars ruined my career" thing sounds like a misquote or something. I had heard that he didn't enjoy doing the role much because it was all in a box as another mentioned, which may be where the rumour that he hated it came from, but with his nephew playing Obi-Wan in the prequels I doubt there was any resentment to it, unless maybe he felt the prequels ruined Ewan McGregor's career maybe?

I watched it - I loved it.

was stunned by the CGI apearence of Tarkin and Leia. (had no problem with them beein CGI at all.)

loved Bada$$ Vader (including his pun)

The movie was funny and dark(grey) at the same time.

I was absolute sure all of the crew would die (and was right about it *looking at my wife*)

Also like the little Cameos (Capt. Antilles, R2s, 3PO, Chopper, Doc and Aqualischian Killerdude [evenso they would have been fitted better within the captive convoi, but ok], the Ghost, Red & Gold Leader, and so on... quite a lot actually...)

Also Nice to see that the Deathstar had an actuall second firemod for... more precisly attacks ^^

The battle scene was also a blast!

K2 best droid since R2

Only some little stings of discomform:

opening Scene: a bit too long for my taste (evenso the hillarius blue milk returned!), think the scene in the field (mommy gets killed, child runs away and hides fade over to Title) would have been sufficent, but ok (taste of style)

Missing crawl... not to hard on this but I wished for an short openingfanfare style sound when the title appeared.

and even so it was cool, the scene that Vader chased the naval rebel troopers with the data to leias ship, while in ANH it is said they followed the tranfer to her was a little bit strange, but minor mistakes don't ruin this nice piece of work:

9/10 by my rating ^^

Without going through the whole thread, I loved this movie, enough to motivate me to start a SW campaign. There was very little I didn't like, it filled many of the holes I have wondered about since 77(yes I am that old but no I wasn't thinking about plot holes then really).

-The battle scenes were awesome, been waiting for a good star wars war movie.

-Not sure why cargo At Ats were used in place of combat AT-ATs. They definitely proved why you didn't see them in later movies when they could be taken down by simple X-Wing cannon. Maybe they were still designing them at this time. If all AT ATs were that easy, the Hoth battle would have simply used X-wings and it would have ended completely different.

-Easily the second best star wars movie after Empire. Yes I know blasphemy, but I liked it more than New Hope. Problem is, as mediocre as TFA was, they will have to majorly up their game on episode 8 in order to keep up with RO. Since I really dislike the characters in TFA, especially the bad guys, they are going to have to really really up their game. Recast Kylo into someone worthy of being a dark lord, kill him off early on and bring on someone who is an actual badass and not a petulant millennial with granddaddy issues.

-Acting was great, far better than TFA. Much more likeable character all around. Even Krennic was a more believable bad guy than Kylo. Wish they would have swapped casts since we wont see RO2 and have to live through the sequels of TFA.

-Costumes were flipping awesome. The various new style troopers plus the old ones have motivated me to start building a new 501st kit. I was underwhelmed by TFA's new troopers except the TIE pilots which seemed much more efficient from an actually wearing it aspect from the older TIE pilot kit(I have one and cant see jack out of it and the hoses get in the way constantly)

-This movie answers a decades old question I have had, why when faced with a moon sized killing machine did the rebels send only a dozen star fighters to take it out and why would they send untrained farm boys and Pink Five up? Movie answered this with, that's all they had left after Scariff and they needed everyone they could get.

-Left a new question though, since there were literally hundreds of TIE fighters left without a home who were likely recovered by the Death Star along with the pilots, why did the Death Star only send a dozen TIEs up to fight the rebel fighters in NH? Before I think it had been answered with the Death Star being newly commissioned and it didn't have its full complement of troops and fighters yet, but now.....

-Love the new vehicles, especially the Rebel ones and while the Hammerhead was cool, it seemed a little too convenient. They just happened to ion incapacitate a large star destroyer with a couple Y-wings(which doesn't make a lot of sense since even capital class ion weapons take some work to do that) and then they happened to have a ship designed specifically for ramming just hanging around to push it with? Also why the hell does every individual commander have his or her own shuttle that's a completely different class from the preceding shuttle even though the Lambda is the standard Imperial shuttle. Just seems a bit silly to me when the Empire is very conformatory to have these individuals using government funding to design and buy their own "special" shuttles when you already have a fleet of standard shuttles which are pretty badass on their own.

-Dislike Director Krennic's costume. He was dressed as a Grand Admiral but wasn't a Grand Admiral.

-Hoping they release the original version. Was listening to a podcast which had someone who had seen the original cut before they reshot everything. They apparently didn't reshoot it because it was bad, they reshot it because it was too dark and grim. And yes he commented that the released version was dark but the original made the release look like a happy ewok movie but wasn't allowed to give any real details. He did say the original was fully finished so there is no reason they couldn't release it with the DVD unless they simply choose not to.

Now to figure out, do I want the d6 rpg or the new stuff for the campaign.

-Not sure why cargo At Ats were used in place of combat AT-ATs. They definitely proved why you didn't see them in later movies when they could be taken down by simple X-Wing cannon. Maybe they were still designing them at this time. If all AT ATs were that easy, the Hoth battle would have simply used X-wings and it would have ended completely different.

-Left a new question though, since there were literally hundreds of TIE fighters left without a home who were likely recovered by the Death Star along with the pilots, why did the Death Star only send a dozen TIEs up to fight the rebel fighters in NH? Before I think it had been answered with the Death Star being newly commissioned and it didn't have its full complement of troops and fighters yet, but now.....

These two are easy enough to answer.

AT-ACTs were used because that's what Scarif had. The shield gate was intended to bottleneck any significant ground force that night try to get through, so most of the defenses were space-based. A need for heavy ground weaponry like AT-ATs was not believed to be pertinent.

And Tarkin thought the fighters scrambled against the Death Star proved no threat. Granted, it's now Legends status, but I remember a line from one of the novels or comics with Wedge remarking, "We were just lucky they only sent a single squadron after us, or we wouldn't have lasted a minute."

I may be alone, but I despised the blind monk as written. If they wanted to go ahead and make him a Force-sensitive badass (of the not-lightsaber-using type), they should have just done it. As it was, his abilities were ridiculous for a character that doesn't use the Force. If he were Force-sensitive--particularly in what the old games called Sense and a bit of Control (but no Alter), then I could have accepted him far more easily.

-Not sure why cargo At Ats were used in place of combat AT-ATs. They definitely proved why you didn't see them in later movies when they could be taken down by simple X-Wing cannon. Maybe they were still designing them at this time. If all AT ATs were that easy, the Hoth battle would have simply used X-wings and it would have ended completely different.

I was under the impression that virtually all of the X-Wings the rebels had available were needed to escort the transports evacuating people from the base. If they could only spare two per set of transports, they may not have been able to risk them trying to delay the inevitable ground assault.

-Also why the hell does every individual commander have his or her own shuttle that's a completely different class from the preceding shuttle even though the Lambda is the standard Imperial shuttle. Just seems a bit silly to me when the Empire is very conformatory to have these individuals using government funding to design and buy their own "special" shuttles when you already have a fleet of standard shuttles which are pretty badass on their own.

-Dislike Director Krennic's costume. He was dressed as a Grand Admiral but wasn't a Grand Admiral.

I think both of those details are an intentional bit of character development. Krennic is a glorified bureaucrat constantly reaching for greater power. The fancy uniform and unique ships are an attempt to project an importance beyond what he actually has in the hopes that it will allow him to break into the upper echelons.

I may be alone, but I despised the blind monk as written. If they wanted to go ahead and make him a Force-sensitive badass (of the not-lightsaber-using type), they should have just done it. As it was, his abilities were ridiculous for a character that doesn't use the Force. If he were Force-sensitive--particularly in what the old games called Sense and a bit of Control (but no Alter), then I could have accepted him far more easily.

'I am one with the Force. The Force is with me.'

He wasnt kidding. Do you think force users have a big sign that says 'FORCE USER HERE'? Or that they spontaneously combust if they dont use a lightsaber?

Chirrut Imwe was a Force Sensitive Exile with Forsee and Sense at the very least. Thats also assuming he wasnt a backhanded way to put miraluka back into canon.

Not using X-wings on Hoth could have been a thermal issue. Heat dissipation in space is pretty hard, but in Hoth's frigid atmo it could have just been a case where snubfighters designed for space combat simply cant be adjusted for Hoth and still be able to fight in space.

Maybe the turn rate on a X-wing is too wide to be zipping hither and yon under a deflector shield, and it's only able to be projected at a low altitude, so they needed to use a more nimble option such as the speeders.

I may be alone, but I despised the blind monk as written. If they wanted to go ahead and make him a Force-sensitive badass (of the not-lightsaber-using type), they should have just done it. As it was, his abilities were ridiculous for a character that doesn't use the Force. If he were Force-sensitive--particularly in what the old games called Sense and a bit of Control (but no Alter), then I could have accepted him far more easily.

'I am one with the Force. The Force is with me.'

He wasnt kidding. Do you think force users have a big sign that says 'FORCE USER HERE'? Or that they spontaneously combust if they dont use a lightsaber?

Chirrut Imwe was a Force Sensitive Exile with Forsee and Sense at the very least. Thats also assuming he wasnt a backhanded way to put miraluka back into canon.

I may be alone, but I despised the blind monk as written. If they wanted to go ahead and make him a Force-sensitive badass (of the not-lightsaber-using type), they should have just done it. As it was, his abilities were ridiculous for a character that doesn't use the Force. If he were Force-sensitive--particularly in what the old games called Sense and a bit of Control (but no Alter), then I could have accepted him far more easily.

'I am one with the Force. The Force is with me.'

He wasnt kidding. Do you think force users have a big sign that says 'FORCE USER HERE'? Or that they spontaneously combust if they dont use a lightsaber?

Chirrut Imwe was a Force Sensitive Exile with Forsee and Sense at the very least. Thats also assuming he wasnt a backhanded way to put miraluka back into canon.

I don't think you grasped what I was saying. The official word is that the guy wasn't Force-sensitive, and that stance is what I consider to be ridiculous.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/chirrut-imwe

He has not been called or hinted at being a Miraluka. It doesn't even say former Protector of the Temple which is how Cassian describes him and Baze to Jyn.

I do find it interesting they use the phrasing No Force Abilities. It does seem that during the movie he was in-tune with the force (Where I can see many people think he is Force Sensitive), but maybe his interaction with the force is only to be guided and not able to harness it like an actual Force User would be able to.

I may be alone, but I despised the blind monk as written. If they wanted to go ahead and make him a Force-sensitive badass (of the not-lightsaber-using type), they should have just done it. As it was, his abilities were ridiculous for a character that doesn't use the Force. If he were Force-sensitive--particularly in what the old games called Sense and a bit of Control (but no Alter), then I could have accepted him far more easily.

'I am one with the Force. The Force is with me.'

He wasnt kidding. Do you think force users have a big sign that says 'FORCE USER HERE'? Or that they spontaneously combust if they dont use a lightsaber?

Chirrut Imwe was a Force Sensitive Exile with Forsee and Sense at the very least. Thats also assuming he wasnt a backhanded way to put miraluka back into canon.

I don't think you grasped what I was saying. The official word is that the guy wasn't Force-sensitive, and that stance is what I consider to be ridiculous.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/chirrut-imwe

He has not been called or hinted at being a Miraluka. It doesn't even say former Protector of the Temple which is how Cassian describes him and Baze to Jyn.

I do find it interesting they use the phrasing No Force Abilities. It does seem that during the movie he was in-tune with the force (Where I can see many people think he is Force Sensitive), but maybe his interaction with the force is only to be guided and not able to harness it like an actual Force User would be able to.

I may be alone, but I despised the blind monk as written. If they wanted to go ahead and make him a Force-sensitive badass (of the not-lightsaber-using type), they should have just done it. As it was, his abilities were ridiculous for a character that doesn't use the Force. If he were Force-sensitive--particularly in what the old games called Sense and a bit of Control (but no Alter), then I could have accepted him far more easily.

'I am one with the Force. The Force is with me.'

He wasnt kidding. Do you think force users have a big sign that says 'FORCE USER HERE'? Or that they spontaneously combust if they dont use a lightsaber?

Chirrut Imwe was a Force Sensitive Exile with Forsee and Sense at the very least. Thats also assuming he wasnt a backhanded way to put miraluka back into canon.

I don't think you grasped what I was saying. The official word is that the guy wasn't Force-sensitive, and that stance is what I consider to be ridiculous.

I see. I did not grasp what you were saying. Apparently we mostly agree.

I had the impression that he was just a 'Force spiritualist' (like the guy at the beginning of TFA) rather than an actual Force sensitive, and that everything that he could do was just a result of "I'm a blind monk with awesome hearing" trope.

He is force senstive, the movie makes it quite clear that he is drawing on the super natural for his abilities. I do believe it is possible for the Canon Police to go too far. I for one don't particlarly trust their word as simply most of the time they are merely debuffing things that simply will be covered in future installments. They are taking away any fun in rumourmilling.

Just popping in real quick to say, LOVED the movie. I also overheard patrons in the theater commenting that the actress they got for Leia was spot on and specifically mentioning her looks. So at lease *some* people have/had no idea Leia and Tarkin were cgi.

-This movie answers a decades old question I have had, why when faced with a moon sized killing machine did the rebels send only a dozen star fighters to take it out and why would they send untrained farm boys and Pink Five up? Movie answered this with, that's all they had left after Scariff and they needed everyone they could get.

Never thought about this. Thanks for pointing it out.

-Dislike Director Krennic's costume. He was dressed as a Grand Admiral but wasn't a Grand Admiral.

Not the same uniform. The Grand Admiral uniform was white top and bottom. Krennic's uniform was white top, black pants. That matches the uniforms we see in Ep. IV which are sometimes called Imperial Security Bureau officers.

In the novel Catalyst, Krennic is portrayed as a mixture of scientist and imperial security. He is part of the secretive, "Secret Weapons Group" which is developing the super laser for the Death Star.

-Love the new vehicles, especially the Rebel ones and while the Hammerhead was cool, it seemed a little too convenient.

They were already a part of the Rebel fleet per the Rebels cartoon series. There was an episode where 3 (?) of them were stolen for the Rebels. Knowing that, it isn't a big surprise to have them show up when the fleet is mustered.

Ahh could have sworn he was wearing white pants too. Well that's good.

As for Rebels, I really despise how they have screwed up the development timeline and was thankful they held to it in RO by not having interceptors, A and B wings present. I never noticed the Hammerships in Rebels, although my wife loves the show and we have seen all of them I think. Have never figured out why A wings are so prominent in Rebels as in the lore they are super expensive to build and maintain thus the Alliance, after developing them AFTER TIE Interceptors are pushed out to counter the X-wing between movies 5 and 6, never had large numbers of them. B-wings were Admiral Ackbar's pet project and were never numerous since they were also highly expensive to build. He is not an admiral yet in the time of Rebels as far as I know.

He is force-sensitive, the movie makes it quite clear that he is drawing on the super natural for his abilities.

I'd agree with that statement.

While he doesn't have the flashier Force abilities (such as super-leaping or telekinesis or mind tricks) that would seem to be the hallmarks of a "trained Force-sensitive," he does demonstrate a much greater awareness of what's around him, which could very well be a nascent Force-sensitivity that he's developed on his own without any sort of training, putting his faith/trust in the Force and letting it guide/direct his actions; he decides what objective he wants to achieve, and then lets the Force guide him in how that objective is achieved, which combined with his considerable combat training lets him be far more effective in a fight than a blind man should be. Maybe he's not quite a Daredevil level of ability (perks of living in a superhero universe), but what Chirrut's got is certainly effective.

So he might well be how the Lucasfilm is saying "hey, being Force-sensitive and able to tap into the Force doesn't mean you' must be a Jedi or a Sith!" in the new canon without being blatantly obvious about it.

Making a quick stopover. Just saw it, and enjoyed it.

The space battle was my favorite part, but they usually are. Not as memorable blow-by-blow as ANH/RofJ, but entertaining and exciting. I love the Hammerheads, ever since the design appeared in KotOR, and the ramming scene was amazing. I know it's nonsensical, but I don't care. I would never allow it to be replicated in a game, but still. Love all the new ships, especially that new MC75 (even if the inverted tower thing is silly), and I love the shots of the Braha'tok.

Character wise, I liked pretty much ever single major character, except for Jyn Erso. I don't hate her, but she was forgettable. She felt like a really obvious audience surrogate; she reminds me of the barely-more-than-featureless main characters of modern shooter games. I swear Mario has more personality.

World shots were nice. The set pieces are amazing, especially the climax, and much more memorable than TFA planets, sadly. The fanservice is obvious but brought a grin to my face; as long as the fanservice isn't sexual in nature, I don't care. The CGI Tarkin and Leia are... interesting, but I just hope they don't rely on it in the future; makes sense in context, but it shouldn't last. I'm pretty sure they repurposed stock footage of Red and Gold Leader from ANH for their brief scenes? If so, clever.

Of course if too much was 'sensical' in Star Wars it wouldn't be nearly as much fun....

Of course if too much was 'sensical' in Star Wars it wouldn't be nearly as much fun....

I disagree. I rarely hear anyone wishing something in Star Wars made less sense, but I hear the opposite requested quite frequently, especially among gamers. Making sense doesn't necessarily have to detract from the "fun" but not making sense certainly does detract from my enjoyment.

He is force-sensitive, the movie makes it quite clear that he is drawing on the super natural for his abilities.

I'd agree with that statement.

While he doesn't have the flashier Force abilities (such as super-leaping or telekinesis or mind tricks) that would seem to be the hallmarks of a "trained Force-sensitive," he does demonstrate a much greater awareness of what's around him, which could very well be a nascent Force-sensitivity that he's developed on his own without any sort of training, putting his faith/trust in the Force and letting it guide/direct his actions; he decides what objective he wants to achieve, and then lets the Force guide him in how that objective is achieved, which combined with his considerable combat training lets him be far more effective in a fight than a blind man should be. Maybe he's not quite a Daredevil level of ability (perks of living in a superhero universe), but what Chirrut's got is certainly effective.

So he might well be how the Lucasfilm is saying "hey, being Force-sensitive and able to tap into the Force doesn't mean you' must be a Jedi or a Sith!" in the new canon without being blatantly obvious about it.

They said there wouldn't be Jedi, they never said there would be no Force sensitives/users.

They clearly lay the groundwork when we first meet the character and he 'sees' the khyber necklace Jyn has under her shirt. A person with functional eyes can't see a necklace under someone's shirt.....so pretty sure shootin a TIE with a laser bow is ezzeee peeezy.