After seeing it for the third time yesterday i can say that there was no diminishment whatsoever in my pleasure. This was a great Star Wars film.

My wife decided to try and spoil my fanboy love with plot holes. She wanted to know how the 2 guys with death sentences on 12 systems ended up in Mos Eisley after bumping into Jyn 10 mins before the city was obliterated. Clearly they had their own U-wing and skipped town!

They skipped town, clearly - given how often they seem to get in fights, and that they seemed to be in a hurry, probably literally moments after bumping into Jyn and Cassian . As to how quickly they got to Tatooine...you guys need to count your (binary) sunsets better.

C-3PO and R2-D2 crashed in a pod on Tatooine, then went wondering around for a bit. As it got dusky, R2-D2 was going into some rocky areas, where the Jawas got him. We see that sandcrawler trundling along, as it goes into nightfall (day 1). Next morning, the Jawas have their little junk pile set up by Owen and Beru's residence - they buy some droids, Luke spends the day cleaning them. Luke removes their restraining bolts, and heads into dinner. R2-D2 makes a runner - too dark to go after him and the day ends (day 2). Now Luke heads out the next morning to find the droids, gets beat up by Sand People and rescued by Ben, hangs out with Kenobi for a bit, worries "it's getting late" and they head out to 'as far as Anchorhead'...but never get there, as they run into the Sandcrawler all shot up. Luke returns home, finding his house burned to the ground. Comes back, they are burning the Jawas (and at this point you can tell the "suns" are quite low in the sky - end of day 3). Next scene is early morning, again, zipping along towards Mos Eisley. Which, at the start of the scene, is yet quite some distance.

So it's sometime in the middle of day 4 after the Tantive IV was attacked, that Luke and Ben run into our 'wanted men'...

"We're wanted men [for being a part of the revolt on Jedah last week]." ~Dr Evazan, I presume.

They skipped town, clearly - given how often they seem to get in fights, and that they seemed to be in a hurry, probably literally moments after bumping into Jyn and Cassian . As to how quickly they got to Tatooine...you guys need to count your (binary) sunsets better.

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So it's sometime in the middle of day 4 after the Tantive IV was attacked, that Luke and Ben run into our 'wanted men'...

Part of me also wants to believe that Tantive IV makes a decent run of it and there's a lengthy cat-and-mouse chase involved before Vader catches up. I mean, obvious head-canon but I think it'd help clean up a couple of things joining the dots.

Nah, it's already confirmed by the makers that it is at most a few hours before ANH.

What dots need joining up?

I did just read a quote from the R1 novelization, where Vader orders his men to find their escape vessel when the last rebels slip through his fingers. So he considers the Tantive an oversized escape pod (which at that point it is)

What dots need joining up?

Just a bit of the dialogue and feeling in ANH would ring truer to me with that. Plus it gives Leia a bit more to go on that just massive, humongous balls to stand up to Vader with that lie. Plus it gives people a bit more time to move around and so on.

But it's fine either way, just a slight preference on my part.

They did okay with the CGI... but yeah it took me out too in a few moments.

... but not as much as gaddam ewoks!!!

I've narrowed it down to the cheeks that bug me. Leia's are too fuzzy, Tarkins are too sharply defined at all times. His hairline is also too perfect like he shaves his head up to that hairline or something.

Yeah I see that too. They look good but I rather of had half of good ole Tark being done by Vader, with Tark looking out the window or some such thing.

Still these are important peeps so I get why they felt they had to make it happen.

So the only other plot hole we need filled is where the "many Bothans died" bringing this information. Was there a ship that was all Bothans or anything like that?

So the only other plot hole we need filled is where the "many Bothans died" bringing this information. Was there a ship that was all Bothans or anything like that?

Wrong Death Star.

I like how a contrary opinion is automatically rejected out of hand as trolling around here.

It is getting to be an annoying habit. As annoying as analyzing [book/movie/comic/game] to death and calling a new expansion garbage two minutes after the first preview article gets posted.

I do not agree with your opinion, and there is room for discussion there, but why would it be trolling for you to say so?

Some people would rather lash out than accept a potentially harsh truth. I guess that's what happens when you invest yourself too much in something that ultimately has little or no real meaning. My intent wasn't to derail a thread 37 pages on with an in depth analysis; what purpose would that serve? I don't need anyone else to share my opinions to feel validated, and I'm certainly not inclined to acquiesce to demands that I explain myself. Rogue One had numerous and glaring deficiencies, and the cumulative effect is that it just didn't feel like Star Wars.

Some people would rather lash out than accept a potentially harsh truth.

Accept that people view things differently at any rate. .

I guess that's what happens when you invest yourself too much in something that ultimately has little or no real meaning.

It's why I quite often remind myself of:

Which of course goes both ways. It's a movie, it's entertainment. It's not Aleppo, civil rights, nukes or the environment. Those things matter.

Then again, it is safer to get upset about someone not liking the same things you do, there's no consequences to an opinion.

So the only other plot hole we need filled is where the "many Bothans died" bringing this information. Was there a ship that was all Bothans or anything like that?

Wrong Death Star.

Good call, I have a hard time keeping up with the different WMDs!

Except to many it did feel like Star Wars. It was in many ways the Star Wars I waited over 30yrs to see.

Doesnt mean you have to agree but it seems odd to post to a discussion forum if you don't want to 'discuss'. But if all you wanted to do was state your opinion, good enough and job done I guess.

You didn't have to wait 30 years for wholesale demystification; there was plenty of that in the prequels.

We live in a post-November 8th world. Suffice it to say, I find myself increasingly less concerned by what the 'many' think or feel these days.

Some people would rather lash out than accept a potentially harsh truth.

It's a film; the enjoyment of which is purely subjective. There is no "harsh truth".

You're entitled to say you didn't enjoy it. Equally, I'm entitled to state I think that makes you dead inside as I think the film was great; and that only a complete 'stuck in the mud' grump would find no pleasure in this film.

Nah they were just already on their way off planet. It takes seconds from boarding so not even a plot wrinkle let alone hole IMO.

My wife decided to try and spoil my fanboy love with plot holes. She wanted to know how the 2 guys with death sentences on 12 systems ended up in Mos Eisley after bumping into Jyn 10 mins before the city was obliterated. Clearly they had their own U-wing and skipped town!

Yeah, its not a stretch to say that once the town started blowing up from the terrorist partisan attack, that the two of them said, "oh ****, let's bounce" and got off-world. Considering there was a significant amount of time for the Empire to evacuate their forces prior to the weapons test, its not hard to consider people got out of Jedha City before it was destroyed.

Some people would rather lash out than accept a potentially harsh truth.

It's a film; the enjoyment of which is purely subjective. There is no "harsh truth".

You're entitled to say you didn't enjoy it. Equally, I'm entitled to state I think that makes you dead inside as I think the film was great; and that only a complete 'stuck in the mud' grump would find no pleasure in this film.

I'm entitled to my opinion, so that makes it alright to denigrate me? Okay.

I found Rogue One to be about as hollow of a Star Wars experience as the special editions were. To each their own, I guess.

Those hollows man. They come up when you least expect them.

Your 'opinion' was offered only to stir the pot. Get off your high horse.

Nah they were just already on their way off planet. It takes seconds from boarding so not even a plot wrinkle let alone hole IMO.

My wife decided to try and spoil my fanboy love with plot holes. She wanted to know how the 2 guys with death sentences on 12 systems ended up in Mos Eisley after bumping into Jyn 10 mins before the city was obliterated. Clearly they had their own U-wing and skipped town!

Yeah, its not a stretch to say that once the town started blowing up from the terrorist partisan attack, that the two of them said, "oh ****, let's bounce" and got off-world. Considering there was a significant amount of time for the Empire to evacuate their forces prior to the weapons test, its not hard to consider people got out of Jedha City before it was destroyed.

Exactly. Movie editing means that the time you spent watching != the time that has passed in the storyline. The infamous cantina duo probably had hours after that run-in to get off world. Evacuating the entire Imperial presence would clearly take a while, and nothing of interest to the story was happening then so no need to waste the audience's time with it.

Good call, I have a hard time keeping up with the different WMDs!

Won't be a problem if Trump has his way.

Some people would rather lash out than accept a potentially harsh truth.

It's a film; the enjoyment of which is purely subjective. There is no "harsh truth".

You're entitled to say you didn't enjoy it. Equally, I'm entitled to state I think that makes you dead inside as I think the film was great; and that only a complete 'stuck in the mud' grump would find no pleasure in this film.

Yes, but one is a statement about a movie, the other is a statement about someone's personality. There is a difference.

He called a movie bad. You called him bad because of it.

I found Rogue One to be about as hollow of a Star Wars experience as the special editions were. To each their own, I guess.

Those hollows man. They come up when you least expect them.

We can be friends now.

I found Rogue One to be about as hollow of a Star Wars experience as the special editions were. To each their own, I guess.

Those hollows man. They come up when you least expect them.

We can be friends now.

Just a heads up friend, I watched Rouge One with an old time buddy of mine and we laughed and giggled our way through the references, quips, and deadpan droid humor, so we may have to agree to disagree on the new movie.

But as for the old ones...

So the only other plot hole we need filled is where the "many Bothans died" bringing this information. Was there a ship that was all Bothans or anything like that?

Wrong Death Star.

Good call, I have a hard time keeping up with the different WMDs!

I will say, on my rewatch, it was kind of nice noticing the emphasis Mon Mothma placed on the term, superweapon.