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I like the RLM guys, their prequels roasting will always be a favorite of mine, but they missed the mark with this one.

The reality is that they harped way too much on it not being new, but faulting Rogue One for doing Star Wars stuff is like faulting Inglorious Basterds for using the same old boring Nazis and the same old boring Tommy Guns to kill them.

The reality is that the average moviegoer isn't nearly as well-versed in Star Wars as the die hard fans are, and probably missed 75% of the callbacks in the film. Those were there for the fans, and a nod to the originals.

Rogue One accomplished two things: It gave the die hard Star Wars fans everything they wanted, and it gave regular moviegoers a film they could digest and enjoy, even without context. We had a guy with us (the second time I saw it) who had never seen Star Wars before, and he enjoyed it. I went with two crazy die hards who will even try to justify the prequels, and they loved it. And then there's me, and I'm a stickler for story and character motivations that make sense (which is why I thought TFA was bland and forgettable), and I still thought Rogue One was excellent.

At this point, I feel like Rogue One has been a target for people who want to be snobs about a franchise film, just for the sake of. Rogue One is a war film, in the manner of The Dirty Dozen or The Inglorious Basterds. Nobody remembers anything about most of the Dozen, nor do they remember anything about Donny, except that he spoke Italian "third best". Those aren't faults in those films. A movie like Rogue One needs a mission (check) and a reasonable reason for the characters to be on that mission (check). Is Rogue One perfect? Absolutely not. But it's way better than they're giving it credit for. Especially since they continue praise The Force Awakens, which has an invincible protagonist, her morally pure sidekick, and a curated plot that chaperones the audience through a film devoid of any real tension or conflict as Rey learns to be an flying ace, a starship engineer, an escape artist, an Instant Jedi, and masters lightsaber dueling over a trained opponent by having a vision and thinking "The Force!" That was better than Rogue One? Please.

Don't get me wrong. I like the movie, even more so than Episode 7. However they are right. The characters are forgettable (the "inspirational" speech was so "whatever") and it took a while for the movie to get going. However the action scenes were pretty good. In a matter of fact I saw basically every Star Wars game out there from Imperial Assault and Battlefront to Armada and Rebellion then back to X-wing and empire at War in that movie.

This is why I call Rouge One: a Star Wars Story, Star Wars Junk Food . It literally is the movie that makes all those X-wing matches you had on the table seem like something that could happen in cannon (with the obvious exceptions, i.e. Kylo Ren vs Biggs Darklighter).

I liked that Jyn and Cassian didn't have a romantic subplot.

Me to, and they way they went out doesn't necessarily imply they were headed to a romantic relationship either.

If I were looking at a shockwave like that heading my way, knowing there was zero way to avoid it... I'd want to go out having physical contact with another person if possible. Doesn't mean I want to sleep with that person, just don't want to die alone.

I liked that Jyn and Cassian didn't have a romantic subplot.

Me to, and they way they went out doesn't necessarily imply they were headed to a romantic relationship either.

If I were looking at a shockwave like that heading my way, knowing there was zero way to avoid it... I'd want to go out having physical contact with another person if possible. Doesn't mean I want to sleep with that person, just don't want to die alone.

Yes, but I was a bit underwhelmed by them going to the shore. On top of the tower for instance wouldn't have had such a Deep Impact feel to it.

Well I preferred the beach to "lets sit up here with a dead/not dead body"

Plus they left the tower BEFORE the Death Star shot, so at first they were trying to get away maybe to some friendlies, but once they leave the tower it's all "well, we're screwed"

Rogue One was an okay movie. It could have been executed a lot better, and perhaps before all of the Disney-mandated reshoots it was a much better film?

By comparison of the trailers and the final product the reshoots changed the fate of the Rogue One operatives from survival to being wiped out. Also took out that "this is a rebellion, isn't it? I rebel" line.

Actually them living vs. dying has nothing to do with the reshoots, as per a few articles. Edwards originally planned on a script where they lived, figuring Disney wouldn't let him kill them off, but they ended up getting the go ahead and the 'they survive' version of the ending was never shot.

Reshoots almost certainly changed a lot of other stuff though. Take for instance Saw in general. In the first trailer, there's two shots of him, one that appears to be his Jedha hideout and another in some ship. In both he's bald, where as in the movie on Jedha he's got hair. Either the opening sequence, where he is also bald, was meant to be much longer(and that one shot isn't actually Jedha), or there were substantial reshoots concerning his character. And then there's the Yavin IV briefing scene. All of the interactions between Jyn and Rebel command in that first trailer point towards a very different story than the one we got. Compound that with all of the action shots we didn't get (mostly Krennic and Jyn's bits on the beach) and I'd be interested to see what the pre-reshoot version of the movie looked like.

I was thinking about the reshoots this morning. I have a theory, which of course will either be immediately proven or disproven by someone noting facts I missed, but anyway, here it is:

1 - Edwards has mentioned in interviews that he was surprised Disney, et al, allowed him to kill everyone off. But it appears this go-ahead came early in the scripting/shooting process, so I don't think "killing them all off" is part of the reshoots.

2 - There are rumors (perhaps someone has said this in an interview?) that the original take on the film was much darker than what it came out to be.

3 - Edwards has said he shot hours upon hours of "documentary style" footage, making editing a real beast. This footage has been referred to in a number of places as sort-of "shaky cam war documentary-type" footage.

4 - There were rumors that the reshoots were to make the film "more Star Wars-y"

5 - Edwards has said that after seeing a rough first cut, Disney execs ok'd additional spend on special effects, etc., which allowed him to open things up more. I think he mentions they added something like 1,500 effects shots after this go-ahead.

Given those things, I think the first take on the film was a very tight and violent war road film that relied mostly on practical effects and acting to tell the story. It's possible Tarkin wasn't in the original as much, nor was Leia. I think it very likely the ending space battle was significantly smaller-scale, if one was shown at all. I think it was basically the battle on Jedha and the battle on Scarif with a few flashbacks and one-on-ones thrown in. There probably was very little tying it to the Star Wars universe other than the basic premise of the film, the Death Star, and stuff like storm troopers, etc.

I think the reshoots basically expanded the space battle (I would think the majority of the added effects shots went to the battle) and introduced some Star Wars tie-ins that made it sit more in the overall story arc. For instance, adding Leia at the end, throwing The Ghost in the space battle, HAVING a space battle, expanding Tarkin's role, possibly expanding K-2SO's role, etc. When you watch R1 now, it really feels like a Star Wars film, yet also feels very different. I think the "different feeling" part is the original film, and the "feels like Star Wars" part is mostly the "reshoots," which are probably a combination of additional effects shots, some minor additional filming, and a re-editing of certain parts of the film to make them lighter.

I liked that Jyn and Cassian didn't have a romantic subplot.

Me to, and they way they went out doesn't necessarily imply they were headed to a romantic relationship either.

If I were looking at a shockwave like that heading my way, knowing there was zero way to avoid it... I'd want to go out having physical contact with another person if possible. Doesn't mean I want to sleep with that person, just don't want to die alone.

Yes, but I was a bit underwhelmed by them going to the shore. On top of the tower for instance wouldn't have had such a Deep Impact feel to it.

Well I preferred the beach to "lets sit up here with a dead/not dead body"

Plus they left the tower BEFORE the Death Star shot, so at first they were trying to get away maybe to some friendlies, but once they leave the tower it's all "well, we're screwed"

Yeah yeah yeah, anywhere else then. Among their dead friends perhaps.

Well to be fair, ALL we see of Scarif really is beaches (and a little off-beach jungle) so there weren't many places to go that wouldn't be Deep Impact-ish

Yes, but I was a bit underwhelmed by them going to the shore.

If it were me. I'd get as close the blast wave as possible. Then you're taken out cleanly, rather than taking the chance of some debris hitting you.

Bromance in Star wars

Han + Lando/Chewie

Chirrut + Baze

Poe + Finn

R2D2 + C3PO/Luke?

Ponda Baba + Dr. Evazan

Dianoga + Sarlacc

Jek Porkins + Surface

^porkins and deep fried twinkies.

Rogue One was an okay movie. It could have been executed a lot better, and perhaps before all of the Disney-mandated reshoots it was a much better film?

By comparison of the trailers and the final product the reshoots changed the fate of the Rogue One operatives from survival to being wiped out. Also took out that "this is a rebellion, isn't it? I rebel" line.

Actually them living vs. dying has nothing to do with the reshoots, as per a few articles. Edwards originally planned on a script where they lived, figuring Disney wouldn't let him kill them off, but they ended up getting the go ahead and the 'they survive' version of the ending was never shot.

Reshoots almost certainly changed a lot of other stuff though. Take for instance Saw in general. In the first trailer, there's two shots of him, one that appears to be his Jedha hideout and another in some ship. In both he's bald, where as in the movie on Jedha he's got hair. Either the opening sequence, where he is also bald, was meant to be much longer(and that one shot isn't actually Jedha), or there were substantial reshoots concerning his character. And then there's the Yavin IV briefing scene. All of the interactions between Jyn and Rebel command in that first trailer point towards a very different story than the one we got. Compound that with all of the action shots we didn't get (mostly Krennic and Jyn's bits on the beach) and I'd be interested to see what the pre-reshoot version of the movie looked like.

I was thinking about the reshoots this morning. I have a theory, which of course will either be immediately proven or disproven by someone noting facts I missed, but anyway, here it is:

1 - Edwards has mentioned in interviews that he was surprised Disney, et al, allowed him to kill everyone off. But it appears this go-ahead came early in the scripting/shooting process, so I don't think "killing them all off" is part of the reshoots.

2 - There are rumors (perhaps someone has said this in an interview?) that the original take on the film was much darker than what it came out to be.

3 - Edwards has said he shot hours upon hours of "documentary style" footage, making editing a real beast. This footage has been referred to in a number of places as sort-of "shaky cam war documentary-type" footage.

4 - There were rumors that the reshoots were to make the film "more Star Wars-y"

5 - Edwards has said that after seeing a rough first cut, Disney execs ok'd additional spend on special effects, etc., which allowed him to open things up more. I think he mentions they added something like 1,500 effects shots after this go-ahead.

Given those things, I think the first take on the film was a very tight and violent war road film that relied mostly on practical effects and acting to tell the story. It's possible Tarkin wasn't in the original as much, nor was Leia. I think it very likely the ending space battle was significantly smaller-scale, if one was shown at all. I think it was basically the battle on Jedha and the battle on Scarif with a few flashbacks and one-on-ones thrown in. There probably was very little tying it to the Star Wars universe other than the basic premise of the film, the Death Star, and stuff like storm troopers, etc.

I think the reshoots basically expanded the space battle (I would think the majority of the added effects shots went to the battle) and introduced some Star Wars tie-ins that made it sit more in the overall story arc. For instance, adding Leia at the end, throwing The Ghost in the space battle, HAVING a space battle, expanding Tarkin's role, possibly expanding K-2SO's role, etc. When you watch R1 now, it really feels like a Star Wars film, yet also feels very different. I think the "different feeling" part is the original film, and the "feels like Star Wars" part is mostly the "reshoots," which are probably a combination of additional effects shots, some minor additional filming, and a re-editing of certain parts of the film to make them lighter.

Check out the info from Nerdist News which is BTW owned by Disney. This is in regards to the reshoots.

http://nerdist.com/what-the-rogue-one-trailer-differences-tell-us-about-the-reshoots/

Rogue One was an okay movie. It could have been executed a lot better, and perhaps before all of the Disney-mandated reshoots it was a much better film?

By comparison of the trailers and the final product the reshoots changed the fate of the Rogue One operatives from survival to being wiped out. Also took out that "this is a rebellion, isn't it? I rebel" line.

Actually them living vs. dying has nothing to do with the reshoots, as per a few articles. Edwards originally planned on a script where they lived, figuring Disney wouldn't let him kill them off, but they ended up getting the go ahead and the 'they survive' version of the ending was never shot.

Reshoots almost certainly changed a lot of other stuff though. Take for instance Saw in general. In the first trailer, there's two shots of him, one that appears to be his Jedha hideout and another in some ship. In both he's bald, where as in the movie on Jedha he's got hair. Either the opening sequence, where he is also bald, was meant to be much longer(and that one shot isn't actually Jedha), or there were substantial reshoots concerning his character. And then there's the Yavin IV briefing scene. All of the interactions between Jyn and Rebel command in that first trailer point towards a very different story than the one we got. Compound that with all of the action shots we didn't get (mostly Krennic and Jyn's bits on the beach) and I'd be interested to see what the pre-reshoot version of the movie looked like.

I was thinking about the reshoots this morning. I have a theory, which of course will either be immediately proven or disproven by someone noting facts I missed, but anyway, here it is:

1 - Edwards has mentioned in interviews that he was surprised Disney, et al, allowed him to kill everyone off. But it appears this go-ahead came early in the scripting/shooting process, so I don't think "killing them all off" is part of the reshoots.

2 - There are rumors (perhaps someone has said this in an interview?) that the original take on the film was much darker than what it came out to be.

3 - Edwards has said he shot hours upon hours of "documentary style" footage, making editing a real beast. This footage has been referred to in a number of places as sort-of "shaky cam war documentary-type" footage.

4 - There were rumors that the reshoots were to make the film "more Star Wars-y"

5 - Edwards has said that after seeing a rough first cut, Disney execs ok'd additional spend on special effects, etc., which allowed him to open things up more. I think he mentions they added something like 1,500 effects shots after this go-ahead.

Given those things, I think the first take on the film was a very tight and violent war road film that relied mostly on practical effects and acting to tell the story. It's possible Tarkin wasn't in the original as much, nor was Leia. I think it very likely the ending space battle was significantly smaller-scale, if one was shown at all. I think it was basically the battle on Jedha and the battle on Scarif with a few flashbacks and one-on-ones thrown in. There probably was very little tying it to the Star Wars universe other than the basic premise of the film, the Death Star, and stuff like storm troopers, etc.

I think the reshoots basically expanded the space battle (I would think the majority of the added effects shots went to the battle) and introduced some Star Wars tie-ins that made it sit more in the overall story arc. For instance, adding Leia at the end, throwing The Ghost in the space battle, HAVING a space battle, expanding Tarkin's role, possibly expanding K-2SO's role, etc. When you watch R1 now, it really feels like a Star Wars film, yet also feels very different. I think the "different feeling" part is the original film, and the "feels like Star Wars" part is mostly the "reshoots," which are probably a combination of additional effects shots, some minor additional filming, and a re-editing of certain parts of the film to make them lighter.

Check out the info from Nerdist News which is BTW owned by Disney. This is in regards to the reshoots.

http://nerdist.com/what-the-rogue-one-trailer-differences-tell-us-about-the-reshoots/

Thanks, I will once I get home this afternoon!

It's unlikely we'll see any kind of romance in Star Wars again soon. Disney seems to be be averse to the idea. Maybe with the Han Solo movie, if they are willing to go the more mature direction they did with Rogue One. But certainly not in the Sequential movies. The most we got out of TFA was a couple hugs. In fact, TFA went out of its way to avoid any kind of romantic subplots, let alone introduce a gay couple. It almost felt like it was hesitant to admit Ren was Han and Leia's kid, because that would imply that they had sex at some point. Okay, so that last part is a joke, but seriously, this is the movie where the script went out of its way to have the main character vocally refuse human contact, twice (nothing is repeated in a movie by accident), because she's a strong female protagonist and doesn't need a man, lol.

At least Jyn and Cassian got to hold hands and hug.

Humor aside, have to agree with the above. Two male characters should be allowed to demonstrate an elevated level of affection without it automatically inferring a sexual relationship. I mean, it wouldn't make one bit of difference to me if it wasn't, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. At the same time, I liked that Jyn and Cassian didn't have a romantic subplot. Coming back to the Dirty Dozen style war movie thing I've been harping on, a romantic subplot isn't a requirement for that genre.

So, I've only read the last page of this thread, and it has me thinking HTF did a Disney Action/Adventure movie get to here???

Sheesh, it takes me back to HS literature where teachers told you about all this subliminal **** that was supposed to be happening in the book, and you're like, yeah, sure. . .this author's been dead 100 years and you know he meant all these subversive socio-political things when it might actually just be a story about a guy trying to kill a whale.

Mainly, I'm glad we have the first ADULT SW movie. No cute droids, no cute aliens, no fluffy mythology, just a good story that makes sense in the galaxy far, far away.

Jyn and Cassian sitting on the beach watching impending doom coming towards them when they had enough time to fly Krennic's shuttle away from the blast and possibly survive.

And where in the hell were they suppose to go? Its not like the Empire is going to let them waltz out of there.

If anything I had more of an issue with Saw Guerra just accepting his fate as fanatical as he appeared to be. He could have tried an attempt to escape.

I felt Saw's demise was ok as he seemed to be accepting of his physical (and maybe even mental) status. He asks if Jyn has come to kill him, and says that there isn't much left. I think he was totally accepting of his upcoming death, whether it be at the hands of the Imperials finding him or the Rebels needing to take him out.

Don't bother.theres no info in it...at all.

They just say " hey,the trailers had things that weren't in the movie"

Wich.....duh.we know.

Yes, but I was a bit underwhelmed by them going to the shore.

If it were me. I'd get as close the blast wave as possible. Then you're taken out cleanly, rather than taking the chance of some debris hitting you.

I'd probably be raging and shooting my blaster at the Death Star too much to notice anything else.

Don't bother.theres no info in it...at all.

They just say " hey,the trailers had things that weren't in the movie"

Wich.....duh.we know.

Thanks. I was basing some of my thoughts on snippets from an Edwards interview with Empire, which appears to no longer be available online.

"Seriously!? I'm blind!"

the "inspirational" speech was so "whatever"

To be fair, it didn't inspire anyone in the movie, either, lol.

the "inspirational" speech was so "whatever"

To be fair, it didn't inspire anyone in the movie, either, lol.

I took it as more of a "Well, we're screwed, but we'll do as much as we can and maybe take a few of 'em with us"-type speech, with some elements of Henry V / Braveheart thrown in for good measure. "They may take our lives, but they'll never take our Death Star plans!!!! Which also happen to be their Death Star plans!"

Edit: Nitpicks I forgot to mention in my original post here:

I think Gadge pointed it out, too, but it bugged me that Vader's helmet was off (i.e., dimensionally, not that it was not on his head when he was in the bacta tank...). Watching ANH yesterday confirmed that the throat of the helmet is too long and curved in RO by comparison.

Except Rebellion General thinks killing someone after rumors get out the project is COMPLETED will solve everything. that whole subplot was kind of stupid.

Well he did say he was worried what else the guy might be dreaming up. I took that as a reference to the Sun Crusher.

Also: the rebels had no idea that the weapon WAS completed.

Indeed, they didn't know the Death Star had even started construction. The only information they had was that the Empire was working on some kind of 'planet killer' weapon, and that Galen was a critical part of that project. They had no detail on how far along the project was, or what form the project would take.

Except Rebellion General thinks killing someone after rumors get out the project is COMPLETED will solve everything. that whole subplot was kind of stupid.

Well he did say he was worried what else the guy might be dreaming up. I took that as a reference to the Sun Crusher.

Also: the rebels had no idea that the weapon WAS completed.

Indeed, they didn't know the Death Star had even started construction. The only information they had was that the Empire was working on some kind of 'planet killer' weapon, and that Galen was a critical part of that project. They had no detail on how far along the project was, or what form the project would take.

When informed the station was indeed very much operational, and that Jedha's Holy City was gone, Draven confirmed his orders, to ensure Erso wouldn't create something worse.

Except Rebellion General thinks killing someone after rumors get out the project is COMPLETED will solve everything. that whole subplot was kind of stupid.

Well he did say he was worried what else the guy might be dreaming up. I took that as a reference to the Sun Crusher.

Also: the rebels had no idea that the weapon WAS completed.

Indeed, they didn't know the Death Star had even started construction. The only information they had was that the Empire was working on some kind of 'planet killer' weapon, and that Galen was a critical part of that project. They had no detail on how far along the project was, or what form the project would take.

When informed the station was indeed very much operational, and that Jedha's Holy City was gone, Draven confirmed his orders, to ensure Erso wouldn't create something worse.

Doesn't do a whole lot of good blowing up the enemy's secret weapon, if they have the guy who can just build more.

I mean, otherwise, there'd be Death Stars all over the... Oh, wait.