Yes too bad for Alderaan, but imagine if they had failed in ep IV, and the Death Star was unleashed upon the galaxy?

Everyone would have lived happily ever after? Peace and love for all? Doesn't sound so bad

Had the prequels been written before ep IV, it may have been Naboo nuked from orbit. And the galaxy would have rejoiced.

So here's a question:

Vader is a total badass, soloing a bunch of Rebel Troopers as he storms a frigate.

An hour later, he's leisurely hanging out at the back as he lets his stormtrooopers board a corvette, taking many casualties.

I mean, what gives? Did Vader get tired, deserve his guys needed to be punished, hit his quota of light saber kills for the day?

But isn't just him walking though. The whole scene he knows Lyra and Jyn are alive and there, but he plays along. He even makes a joke when Lyra appears. Making the scientists come outside in the rain (while he has a hat and over-jacket on when they don't lol) and putting on a charade because he KNOWS Galen did it is in character. He's the Hans Landa of this film, but with less actual knowledge. He THINKS he's in control in every situation, but each one we see him in he's less and less in control.

I thought Krennic was a brilliant character. Totally bought him as the overreaching Imperial officer, and loved how Tarkin put him well and truly in his place.

Definitely shades of Hans Landa there in his meetings with Galen, but insecurities shown in his dealings with his superiors.

Nah. There was urgency in the attack on the Rebel cruiser; he wanted to get to secure the ship and the plans before the Rebels could escape. Once the Tantive IV was captured in a New Hope, there was no urgency - they weren't going anywhere, so he let his mooks handle it.

...and of course, that's where it all went wrong.

Yes too bad for Alderaan, but imagine if they had failed in ep IV, and the Death Star was unleashed upon the galaxy?

Everyone would have lived happily ever after? Peace and love for all? Doesn't sound so bad

Had the prequels been written before ep IV, it may have been Naboo nuked from orbit. And the galaxy would have rejoiced.

Nah Naboo is Palpatine's home planet, he wouldn't let anyone touch it.

But isn't just him walking though. The whole scene he knows Lyra and Jyn are alive and there, but he plays along. He even makes a joke when Lyra appears. Making the scientists come outside in the rain (while he has a hat and over-jacket on when they don't lol) and putting on a charade because he KNOWS Galen did it is in character. He's the Hans Landa of this film, but with less actual knowledge. He THINKS he's in control in every situation, but each one we see him in he's less and less in control.

I thought Krennic was a brilliant character. Totally bought him as the overreaching Imperial officer, and loved how Tarkin put him well and truly in his place.

Definitely shades of Hans Landa there in his meetings with Galen, but insecurities shown in his dealings with his superiors.

I mean, what gives? Did Vader get tired, deserve his guys needed to be punished, hit his quota of light saber kills for the day?

Nah. There was urgency in the attack on the Rebel cruiser; he wanted to get to secure the ship and the plans before the Rebels could escape. Once the Tantive IV was captured in a New Hope, there was no urgency - they weren't going anywhere, so he let his mooks handle it.

...and of course, that's where it all went wrong.

Effectively it was the guys tasked with shooting down the escape pods. If they decided to take that one shot... short movie, no trilogy!

"this is a consular ship, we intercepted no transmissions..."

"DUDE, I WAS RIGHT THERE!!!"

To be fair, they didn't intercept any transmissions.

They were handed a recording of them.

<mechanical wheezing> "Literally. Right. There." <mechanical wheezing> "Dude."

My problem with Bor Gullet is that he serves absolutely no purpose to the story.

1. Apparently he can tell whether someone is telling the truth.In that case why is Bodhi still in cell when Jyn and Cassian arrive? If Bor Gullet does what he says on the tin then Saw should know that he is a sincere defector.

2. Saw threatens that Bodhi may lose his mind during the interrogation but he is just a bit dazed and confused and is soon back to normal.

3. Does he demonstrate how extreme Saw has become (as Mon Mothma states earlier)? Given that Bor Gullet fails at both 1 & 2, I would say not, especially as Saw seems to go a radical personality transplant the moment Jyn shows up.

So Bor Gullet seems utterly superfluous to the story and is just tentacles for the sake of tentacles.

My problem with Bor Gullet is that he serves absolutely no purpose to the story.

1. Apparently he can tell whether someone is telling the truth.In that case why is Bodhi still in cell when Jyn and Cassian arrive? If Bor Gullet does what he says on the tin then Saw should know that he is a sincere defector.

2. Saw threatens that Bodhi may lose his mind during the interrogation but he is just a bit dazed and confused and is soon back to normal.

3. Does he demonstrate how extreme Saw has become (as Mon Mothma states earlier)? Given that Bor Gullet fails at both 1 & 2, I would say not, especially as Saw seems to go a radical personality transplant the moment Jyn shows up.

So Bor Gullet seems utterly superfluous to the story and is just tentacles for the sake of tentacles.

A strong component of interrogation is the instillment of fear.

"Every day, more lies."

"Bor Gullet can feel your thoughts: No lie is safe.

What have you really brought me cargo pilot. Bor Gullet will know the truth.

The unfortunate side affect is that one tends to lose one's mind."

"Not a day goes by when I don't think of you.

But today of all days: It's a trap isn't it.

The pilot. The message. All of it.

Did they send you, did you come here, to kill me?

There's not much of me left."

- Saw Gerrera

1. The fact that Saw didn't let him out was proof that Saw didn't trust any Imperials, defector or not.
2. Bodhi has strong feelings about his mission and I would guess that helps him keeps his sanity. The mention of Galin Erso and being a pilot help bring him back.
3. I don't believe your #1 and #2 support your #3 conclusion.

To the complainers, nay-sayers and haters, I truly just don't get what your problems are with R1. I'd challenge you to offer up your favorite SW film, I think you'll find whatever one you chose is not perfect either.

For sure.

If we weren't willing to accept imperfection as entertainment, we'd not be Star Wars fans in the first place, lol.

My problem with Bor Gullet is that he serves absolutely no purpose to the story.

1. Apparently he can tell whether someone is telling the truth.In that case why is Bodhi still in cell when Jyn and Cassian arrive? If Bor Gullet does what he says on the tin then Saw should know that he is a sincere defector.

2. Saw threatens that Bodhi may lose his mind during the interrogation but he is just a bit dazed and confused and is soon back to normal.

3. Does he demonstrate how extreme Saw has become (as Mon Mothma states earlier)? Given that Bor Gullet fails at both 1 & 2, I would say not, especially as Saw seems to go a radical personality transplant the moment Jyn shows up.

So Bor Gullet seems utterly superfluous to the story and is just tentacles for the sake of tentacles.

But, tentacles, man! You know it's SW when some slimy tentacle grabs ya! Extra points for being attacked to a toothy maw or eye stalk!

My problem with Bor Gullet is that he serves absolutely no purpose to the story.

1. Apparently he can tell whether someone is telling the truth.In that case why is Bodhi still in cell when Jyn and Cassian arrive? If Bor Gullet does what he says on the tin then Saw should know that he is a sincere defector.

2. Saw threatens that Bodhi may lose his mind during the interrogation but he is just a bit dazed and confused and is soon back to normal.

3. Does he demonstrate how extreme Saw has become (as Mon Mothma states earlier)? Given that Bor Gullet fails at both 1 & 2, I would say not, especially as Saw seems to go a radical personality transplant the moment Jyn shows up.

So Bor Gullet seems utterly superfluous to the story and is just tentacles for the sake of tentacles.

I think a bunch of Gullet ended up on the cutting room floor. The whole cell seems like a good starting point for an anthology book like Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina/ of the bounty hunters / from Jabba's Palace. Still three of my most favourite EU books.

Yes too bad for Alderaan, but imagine if they had failed in ep IV, and the Death Star was unleashed upon the galaxy?

Everyone would have lived happily ever after? Peace and love for all? Doesn't sound so bad

Had the prequels been written before ep IV, it may have been Naboo nuked from orbit. And the galaxy would have rejoiced.

Nah Naboo is Palpatine's home planet, he wouldn't let anyone touch it.

That's assuming Palpy gave a poodoo about his home planet.

But, tentacles, man! You know it's SW when some slimy tentacle grabs ya! Extra points for being attacked to a toothy maw or eye stalk!

Hehe. I've seen enough hentai to know where this....... oh. It didn't go there. I'm not sure if I'm relieved or disappointed.

My problem with Bor Gullet is that he serves absolutely no purpose to the story.

1. Apparently he can tell whether someone is telling the truth.In that case why is Bodhi still in cell when Jyn and Cassian arrive? If Bor Gullet does what he says on the tin then Saw should know that he is a sincere defector.

2. Saw threatens that Bodhi may lose his mind during the interrogation but he is just a bit dazed and confused and is soon back to normal.

3. Does he demonstrate how extreme Saw has become (as Mon Mothma states earlier)? Given that Bor Gullet fails at both 1 & 2, I would say not, especially as Saw seems to go a radical personality transplant the moment Jyn shows up.

So Bor Gullet seems utterly superfluous to the story and is just tentacles for the sake of tentacles.

A strong component of interrogation is the instillment of fear.

"Every day, more lies."

"Bor Gullet can feel your thoughts: No lie is safe.

What have you really brought me cargo pilot. Bor Gullet will know the truth.

The unfortunate side affect is that one tends to lose one's mind."

"Not a day goes by when I don't think of you.

But today of all days: It's a trap isn't it.

The pilot. The message. All of it.

Did they send you, did you come here, to kill me?

There's not much of me left."

- Saw Gerrera

1. The fact that Saw didn't let him out was proof that Saw didn't trust any Imperials, defector or not.
2. Bodhi has strong feelings about his mission and I would guess that helps him keeps his sanity. The mention of Galin Erso and being a pilot help bring him back.
3. I don't believe your #1 and #2 support your #3 conclusion.

Yeah, Karhedron is missing the critical point here. Saw Gerrera is paranoid. I mean literally out of his gourd, needs a straight-jacket, there is a paragraph in the DSM entitled "Saw Gerrera Syndrome", paranoid. He's also right. Everybody IS out to get him. He refused to EVEN LOOK AT THE MESSAGE until he knew for sure that it was brought to him under honest intentions.

Saw viewed the message because he was satisfied after the interrogation with BG that it wasn't a booby trap. So, YES, Bor Gullet did his job perfectly.

So why is Bodhi still in a cell when Cassian and Jyn arrive? I can think if several reasons.

1) They are letting him "dry-out" in protective custody after having his mind raped. Safer for everybody if he is isolated.

​2) He's a total outsider who has seen their operation. What are they gonna do? Pat him on the back and say "have a nice day"? He's still a security problem even if he isn't their "enemy".

3) Saw Gerrera is a bit of a d!kc, in case you hadn't noticed. Actually, no. He's a LOT of a d!kc.

4) Saw Gerrera is a paranoid lunatic who wouldn't trust this guy even if he weren't a total d!kc. (see point #3)

And nothing in the dialog indicates whether Bor Gullet's affects are temporary or permanent. Some people may be more susceptible than others. It's possible Toydarians wouldn't be affected at all.

>Saw seems to go a radical personality transplant the moment Jyn shows up

'Cuz he's NUTS! Bat-guano CRAY CRAY. Jyn is a presence that can take him back to a time when he was in a different mental state.

Bor Gullet's Star Wars as heck. The Empire has round hovering mind probe droids, but the scruffy partisans who don't have access to that kind of tech can get to the same place by making friends with an alien.

As for why Bodhi was in a cell after his intentions were verified, it's entirely possible to be both a sincere defector from the Empire and angry at your treatment at the hands of the partisans you were trying to help out by bringing a simple message. If I were him, I would have seriously considered stealing an X-Wing and beating feet.

I wish the Bor Gullet was more important to the movie, since it's a really good-looking creature prop.

That alien in Saw's crew. The one who "greets" both Bodhi and Jyn and Cassian when they arrive. The absolutely terrifying one with the implants.

What the hell was it?

IMHO, the movie wasn't better than TFA. I still think the movie was great, and I love war movies, ones like Fury being some of my favorites, but the beginning was a bit choppy to me. my favorite characters had to be K-2SO (the movies "leaf in the wind") and the blind force monk guy, and the fight scenes were incredible, especially that one Hammerhead corvette's shining moment. All and all, I still think it was a great movie, just not better the TFA.

That alien in Saw's crew. The one who "greets" both Bodhi and Jyn and Cassian when they arrive. The absolutely terrifying one with the implants.

What the hell was it?

Visual guide has them as Tognath "brothers" (more like pod-mates) nicknamed "two tubes".

that book is truly a delight.

Yeah... Two-Tubes looks like an H.R. Geiger nightmare.

So here's a question:

Vader is a total badass, soloing a bunch of Rebel Troopers as he storms a frigate.

An hour later, he's leisurely hanging out at the back as he lets his stormtrooopers board a corvette, taking many casualties.

I mean, what gives? Did Vader get tired, deserve his guys needed to be punished, hit his quota of light saber kills for the day?

On the one hand an argument could be made for the fact that the sense of urgency was gone. At Scarif he was trying to capture the plans, at Tatooine he thought the plans had already been captured, and it was simply a matter of discovering their location.

At the same time, Vader is only paying lip service to the 'capture the plans' part of the mission. His real goal is the discovery and destruction of the Rebel base, hence why his line of inquiry is almost always about the location of the rebel base, rather than the location of the plans they stole.

And finally, a piece of head-canon that I stole from someone on Reddit is that the longer Vader is out of his bacta tank, the weaker he becomes and the more difficult his movements. So in Scarif, freshly out of the jar, he's a lean mean light-sabering machine. But later, at Tatooine, he's tired, sore and worn down.

So I got from Rogue One that already before the battle they were thinking about getting Obi-Wan's help. Probably to smuggle the plans to Alderaan rather than risk having to run some blockade around that planet. This would be why they went to Tatooine rather than immediately to Alderaan. Question is though how Vader knew where to find them. Maybe he he looked at the trajectory and figured it was too coincidental that Tatooine was in that direction. Or maybe he knew about Obi-Wan.

So I got from Rogue One that already before the battle they were thinking about getting Obi-Wan's help. Probably to smuggle the plans to Alderaan rather than risk having to run some blockade around that planet. This would be why they went to Tatooine rather than immediately to Alderaan. Question is though how Vader knew where to find them. Maybe he he looked at the trajectory and figured it was too coincidental that Tatooine was in that direction. Or maybe he knew about Obi-Wan.

Obi-Wan and the plans were not planned for the same mission.

Bail sent Leia to go get Obi-Wan, a Jedi Master would be a great asset for the Rebellion. As a figure head, a morale booster, a general and a unifying diplomat between the fractious Rebellion councilmembers.

Why would the plans go to Alderaan and not to the rebel base at Yavin? Obi-Wan went to Alderaan because that's where Bail Organa would be.

The Tantive went from Scarif to Tatooine because where else would they go? Hunted by the Devastator they couldn't go back to Yavin, Alderaan couldn't help either. However, a Jedi Master on a neighbouring planet? Jump in the system, dump the plans quickly and let him handle it. He was their only hope.