Sooooo.....

Basically this was a gritty war movie that happened to have SW dribbled all over it. So yeah it's not gonna be the best SW movie. It does do a few things for the franchise, such as:

Explaining the flaw in the DS

Showing the battle alluded to in the original opening crawl

MOAR DS!

MOAR X-wings!

MOAR Y-wings!

ION TORPDOES!

Decapitated ISD!

Rebels really are scummy.

So much Vader kicking ass!!!!

MOAR tentacle monster!

It was ok. It was fun. I won't rally miss these characters, tho.

CGI was ok. Action was great. Comedic elements were good. If it was a generic action sci fi thriller it would have gotten ok reviews but be forgotten in a few months. Because it's SW it's part of the canon...FOREVER. Or until Diznee changes their policies again or sells off the property.

If you are a Y-Wing fan, Rogue One's final space battle is basically porn.

If you are a Y-Wing fan, Rogue One's final space battle is basically porn.

It was about time Y-Wings got some love. It was great seeing Dutch in the cockpit

I suppose it is possible that Krennec was trying to be dramatic, but that feels like us sort of looking back and creating a narrative to cover up the issue, you know?

But... it's blindingly OBVIOUS that he's attempting to be dramatic. He deliberately plays out a little charade to trick Galen into admitting his guilt.

Listen, it is a little detail, but it felt like the film was FULL of that stuff... Stuff that ignores basic logic and human nature in exchange for story simplicity and "drama," and I hate that sort of thing.

I often find that when people see errors in basic human logic and human nature, they're simply projecting their own nature and logic onto the characters without being aware of it. In the real world people are flawed, shortsighted, stupid, greedy and careless, so they OFTEN make mistakes or poor choices or do things for reasons that aren't immediately apparent.

Like you see Krennic's display as illogical because it seems so strange to do that display on the landing pad. I see it as perfectly natural and sensible.

100% agreed Chucknuckle. Krennic is grandstanding. And it's not the first time he does it, either - he performs the exact same ritual during the opening sequence and his initial confrontation with Galen and his wife.

This is what's known as a CHARACTER TRAIT. And it becomes an eventual CHARACTER FLAW.

I mean come on people, this is really simple, straightforward storytelling here.

Physics are already a foregone conclusion in the Star Wars universe, I don't think we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater and start making excuses for the unrealistic characterization as well. The OT was charming and hokey; I'll watch the prequels if I want to see a poorly executed story arc involving irony and tragically flawed characters.

Why is it unrealistic for a character who displays considerable ego and insecurity to grandstand? That seems entirely consistent with those traits to me.

100% agreed Chucknuckle. Krennic is grandstanding. And it's not the first time he does it, either - he performs the exact same ritual during the opening sequence and his initial confrontation with Galen and his wife.

This is what's known as a CHARACTER TRAIT. And it becomes an eventual CHARACTER FLAW.

I mean come on people, this is really simple, straightforward storytelling here.

Yeah, his landing 20 minutes hiking across an empty field from the Galen farm (loved the blue milk btw) was just there to try and be menacing, as is his cape.

Tarkin is infinitely scarier because he is, not because he tries.

Overall, a lot of people in this thread have needlessly been dicks to WonderWAAAGH.

Yup, I told you to **** off and I stand by it. **** off.

Sooooo.....

Basically this was a gritty war movie that happened to have SW dribbled all over it.

So yeah it's not gonna be the best SW movie. It does do a few things for the franchise, such as:

Explaining the flaw in the DS

Showing the battle alluded to in the original opening crawl

MOAR DS!

MOAR X-wings!

MOAR Y-wings!

ION TORPDOES!

Decapitated ISD!

Rebels really are scummy.

So much Vader kicking ass!!!!

MOAR tentacle monster!

It was ok. It was fun. I won't rally miss these characters, tho.

CGI was ok. Action was great. Comedic elements were good. If it was a generic action sci fi thriller it would have gotten ok reviews but be forgotten in a few months. Because it's SW it's part of the canon...FOREVER. Or until Diznee changes their policies again or sells off the property.

I found an interesting insight about "CGI tentacle mosters"

Perhaps Neal Scanlan's biggest and proudest achievement is the creature that literally broke the mould, or at least records of the mould. The design for Bor Gullet resulted in Neal Scanlan's team sculpting him at full size, something never before attempted, and this involved a staggering two and a half tons of silicone.

Gullet is Gerrera's henchman, a merciless interrogator who can read the minds of prisoners with or without their co-operation. 'Bor Gullet was a home run as far as character design," Neal Scanlan explains. 'Normally there are many drawings and designs but Ivan Manzella drew this blobulous, octopus-type thing and Gareth immediately responded -that's it.' Bor has this incredible mind but is hampered by body, so we used that design as inspiration. He's a bit like Jabba the Hutt."

Gullet measured about ten feet in length, by six feet in width and the same again in height. It took 15 puppeteers to operate Bor from a hollow mould beneath the floor, moving his body, tentacles and eyes, and making him breathe.

http://www.femail.com.au/ben-mendelsohn-rouge-one-a-star-wars-story.htm

So yeah, there is that. People can't recognize CGI for **** anymore, there see it where it is not present and imagine practical effects when it's just CGI, like in many places in TFA.

The mind reading octopus thing gave me a Starship troopers brain bug vibe. I didn't mind it, I mean it is Star Wars after all. You have giant space slugs, magical space witches, and talking crabs/fish. I can accept a mind reading nasty tentacle monster. haha. Loved Rogue One, definitely going back tonight to see it again. I'd put it up there in my top 3-4 Star Wars movies.

I found an interesting insight about "CGI tentacle mosters" Perhaps Neal Scanlan's biggest and proudest achievement is the creature that literally broke the mould, or at least records of the mould. The design for Bor Gullet resulted in Neal Scanlan's team sculpting him at full size, something never before attempted, and this involved a staggering two and a half tons of silicone.

Gullet is Gerrera's henchman, a merciless interrogator who can read the minds of prisoners with or without their co-operation. 'Bor Gullet was a home run as far as character design," Neal Scanlan explains. 'Normally there are many drawings and designs but Ivan Manzella drew this blobulous, octopus-type thing and Gareth immediately responded -that's it.' Bor has this incredible mind but is hampered by body, so we used that design as inspiration. He's a bit like Jabba the Hutt."

Gullet measured about ten feet in length, by six feet in width and the same again in height. It took 15 puppeteers to operate Bor from a hollow mould beneath the floor, moving his body, tentacles and eyes, and making him breathe.

http://www.femail.com.au/ben-mendelsohn-rouge-one-a-star-wars-story.htm

So yeah, there is that. People can't recognize CGI for **** anymore, there see it where it is not present and imagine practical effects when it's just CGI, like in many places in TFA.

Same thing for the PT as well. Unlike TFA which didn't use any miniatures, the PT used a ton of miniatures. Now because of composting not being quite as good as today many people just assume it's all cgi.

100% agreed Chucknuckle. Krennic is grandstanding. And it's not the first time he does it, either - he performs the exact same ritual during the opening sequence and his initial confrontation with Galen and his wife.

This is what's known as a CHARACTER TRAIT. And it becomes an eventual CHARACTER FLAW.

I mean come on people, this is really simple, straightforward storytelling here.

If you read catalyst, krennic is a master (at least he thinks so) manipulator. It is 100% in his character to meet outside to instill fear and put his target off guard. He was in the same gifted and talented program as Galen. And was his protector and more or less speaker while there. He was in the program because of his ability to persuade and manipulate inteligência.

Hmmm... I guess it seems to be that trying to say it is a character trait/flaw seems like maybe projecting something that wasn't there onto the script in an attempt to make it make sense. It felt more like somewhat lazy, spectacle/scene oriented script writing/directing, which has been seen in countless movies across time... Like someone made a storyboard of a guy with troopers marching across a wind swept field, and the face off, and said "Oh, that looks grand, let's do that!"

...which has been seen in countless movies across time...

You don't think there's reason for that, maybe? Why face to face confrontations in cinematography - and especially epic action orientated films - take place in the open, in a dramatic fashion, where everyone can see? And not, say, behind a closed office door? Maybe you think that having everyone sit down in a cafeteria and have a nice chat with a cup of tea would make for a grand spectacle?

"Coming soon, in a directorial debut by Lord Ashram, "Muted Angry Voices Behind A Closed Door: A Star Wars Story""

Sounds awesome .

I found an interesting insight about "CGI tentacle mosters"

Perhaps Neal Scanlan's biggest and proudest achievement is the creature that literally broke the mould, or at least records of the mould. The design for Bor Gullet resulted in Neal Scanlan's team sculpting him at full size, something never before attempted, and this involved a staggering two and a half tons of silicone.

Gullet is Gerrera's henchman, a merciless interrogator who can read the minds of prisoners with or without their co-operation. 'Bor Gullet was a home run as far as character design," Neal Scanlan explains. 'Normally there are many drawings and designs but Ivan Manzella drew this blobulous, octopus-type thing and Gareth immediately responded -that's it.' Bor has this incredible mind but is hampered by body, so we used that design as inspiration. He's a bit like Jabba the Hutt."

Gullet measured about ten feet in length, by six feet in width and the same again in height. It took 15 puppeteers to operate Bor from a hollow mould beneath the floor, moving his body, tentacles and eyes, and making him breathe.

http://www.femail.com.au/ben-mendelsohn-rouge-one-a-star-wars-story.htm

So yeah, there is that. People can't recognize CGI for **** anymore, there see it where it is not present and imagine practical effects when it's just CGI, like in many places in TFA.

This is really good to know, as I made the Bor Gullet card half seriously,

but if they characterize it as a more of a sentient being like Jabba

rather than just a monster, then I have a hope of seeing it in the game.

...which has been seen in countless movies across time...

You don't think there's reason for that, maybe? Why face to face confrontations in cinematography - and especially epic action orientated films - take place in the open, in a dramatic fashion, where everyone can see? And not, say, behind a closed office door? Maybe you think that having everyone sit down in a cafeteria and have a nice chat with a cup of tea would make for a grand spectacle?

"Coming soon, in a directorial debut by Lord Ashram, "Muted Angry Voices Behind A Closed Door: A Star Wars Story""

Sounds awesome .

Zhang Yimou happens to be my favourite currently active director, though not primarily for his martial arts films (Hero was amazing, but I didn't like House of Flying Daggers and that one where Gong Li is an empress, forgot the name). I saw Rogue One last night and there was a trailer for Zhang's new film, which looked spectacular again.

I found an interesting insight about "CGI tentacle mosters" Perhaps Neal Scanlan's biggest and proudest achievement is the creature that literally broke the mould, or at least records of the mould. The design for Bor Gullet resulted in Neal Scanlan's team sculpting him at full size, something never before attempted, and this involved a staggering two and a half tons of silicone.

Gullet is Gerrera's henchman, a merciless interrogator who can read the minds of prisoners with or without their co-operation. 'Bor Gullet was a home run as far as character design," Neal Scanlan explains. 'Normally there are many drawings and designs but Ivan Manzella drew this blobulous, octopus-type thing and Gareth immediately responded -that's it.' Bor has this incredible mind but is hampered by body, so we used that design as inspiration. He's a bit like Jabba the Hutt."

Gullet measured about ten feet in length, by six feet in width and the same again in height. It took 15 puppeteers to operate Bor from a hollow mould beneath the floor, moving his body, tentacles and eyes, and making him breathe.

http://www.femail.com.au/ben-mendelsohn-rouge-one-a-star-wars-story.htm

So yeah, there is that. People can't recognize CGI for **** anymore, there see it where it is not present and imagine practical effects when it's just CGI, like in many places in TFA.

Same thing for the PT as well. Unlike TFA which didn't use any miniatures, the PT used a ton of miniatures. Now because of composting not being quite as good as today many people just assume it's all cgi.

Yes, the prequels did use a lot of miniatures. The amount of practical effects in the prequels is often underestimated.

Hmmm... I guess it seems to be that trying to say it is a character trait/flaw seems like maybe projecting something that wasn't there onto the script in an attempt to make it make sense. It felt more like somewhat lazy, spectacle/scene oriented script writing/directing, which has been seen in countless movies across time... Like someone made a storyboard of a guy with troopers marching across a wind swept field, and the face off, and said "Oh, that looks grand, let's do that!"

But isn't just him walking though. The whole scene he knows Lyra and Jyn are alive and there, but he plays along. He even makes a joke when Lyra appears. Making the scientists come outside in the rain (while he has a hat and over-jacket on when they don't lol) and putting on a charade because he KNOWS Galen did it is in character. He's the Hans Landa of this film, but with less actual knowledge. He THINKS he's in control in every situation, but each one we see him in he's less and less in control.

Oh, so that's what PT means . Agreed.

I get that R1 is not a perfect movie. But there are just so few of them. In fact the only one I can think of is The Big Lebowski. So once we accept that R1 is less than perfect, the next step is "is it great?" And I think R1 is truly great. It took the SW universe and made a compelling story about a desperate plan that required the ultimate sacrifice from hundreds if not thousands of the rebellion to save uncounted trillions. Yes too bad for Alderaan, but imagine if they had failed in ep IV, and the Death Star was unleashed upon the galaxy?

To the complainers, nay-sayers and haters, I truly just don't get what your problems are with R1. I'd challenge you to offer up your favorite SW film, I think you'll find whatever one you chose is not perfect either.

Hmmm... I guess it seems to be that trying to say it is a character trait/flaw seems like maybe projecting something that wasn't there onto the script in an attempt to make it make sense. It felt more like somewhat lazy, spectacle/scene oriented script writing/directing, which has been seen in countless movies across time... Like someone made a storyboard of a guy with troopers marching across a wind swept field, and the face off, and said "Oh, that looks grand, let's do that!"

But isn't just him walking though. The whole scene he knows Lyra and Jyn are alive and there, but he plays along. He even makes a joke when Lyra appears. Making the scientists come outside in the rain (while he has a hat and over-jacket on when they don't lol) and putting on a charade because he KNOWS Galen did it is in character. He's the Hans Landa of this film, but with less actual knowledge. He THINKS he's in control in every situation, but each one we see him in he's less and less in control.

After reading this I have my first legit complaint with the film. Instead of Hans Landa (no clue that is), they could have made him the Hans Gruber of Star Wars, and the Scarif Transmission Tower could have been his Nakatomi Building.

Hans Landa is Christoph Waltz's character in Inglorious Basterds. Some scenes (especially the opening) were rather similar to scenes in that.

Yes too bad for Alderaan, but imagine if they had failed in ep IV, and the Death Star was unleashed upon the galaxy?

Everyone would have lived happily ever after? Peace and love for all? Doesn't sound so bad