I still can't fathom why Galen Erso didn't just send the message about the weakness. I mean, did he? He already told them the reactor had a weakness. Was that all he knew? If so, why did the Rebels so desperately need the plans? Did he know about the exhaust port? If he did, just put it in the message. If the message got intercepted, the Imperials could have just removed/reviewed the file from Scarif archives anyways, so all would be lost regardless. If they didn't get the message, boom instant success. This was an unclear and distracting point.

If he put it in the message and the message was intercepted, the weak point would be gone, not just the plans. Knowing there is a weak point is enough to go and find it. Maybe not that week, but certainly given enough time.

I don't buy it. The message was an all or nothing, as it were.

IF the Rebels get the message without Imperial interception, they're told to go to Scarif and get the plans. This forces them into a near impossible mission.

IF the Rebels get the message with Imperial interception, the Imps will just remove the file from Scarif and do their own analysis. They may or may not find the weakness (but if the Rebels could find it in a few hours surely the Imps would too), but the Rebels will never find it because they'll never see the plans.

So sending an ambiguous "go look" message accomplishes nothing, because even if it is intercepted the hope is entirely lost. So you might as well go for an "all or nothing" message and just pray it's not intercepted, because even the interception of a guarded vague message would have killed the mission.

He engineered the flaw in the reactor so that "any pressurized explosion to the reactor module will set off a chain reaction that will destroy the entire station", but he didn't know how to make said explosion happen. That's precisely why he advised the Rebels to get the plans - they have to localize the reactor and find a way to deliver explosices - be it via spies, boarding or torpedoes down the secondary exhaust port.

I still can't fathom why Galen Erso didn't just send the message about the weakness. I mean, did he? He already told them the reactor had a weakness. Was that all he knew? If so, why did the Rebels so desperately need the plans? Did he know about the exhaust port? If he did, just put it in the message. If the message got intercepted, the Imperials could have just removed/reviewed the file from Scarif archives anyways, so all would be lost regardless. If they didn't get the message, boom instant success. This was an unclear and distracting point.

If he put it in the message and the message was intercepted, the weak point would be gone, not just the plans. Knowing there is a weak point is enough to go and find it. Maybe not that week, but certainly given enough time.

I don't buy it. The message was an all or nothing, as it were.

IF the Rebels get the message without Imperial interception, they're told to go to Scarif and get the plans. This forces them into a near impossible mission.

IF the Rebels get the message with Imperial interception, the Imps will just remove the file from Scarif and do their own analysis. They may or may not find the weakness (but if the Rebels could find it in a few hours surely the Imps would too), but the Rebels will never find it because they'll never see the plans.

So sending an ambiguous "go look" message accomplishes nothing, because even if it is intercepted the hope is entirely lost. So you might as well go for an "all or nothing" message and just pray it's not intercepted, because even the interception of a guarded vague message would have killed the mission.

Actually, carefully infiltrating Scariff is entirely plausible.

But..

The Rebel leaders dismiss it as being g genuine so the Rogue One crew go off half cocked with only minimal plan.

It's the Alliance initial refusal to believe that makes it a one way trip. That's my interpretation anyway.

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The only character never in need of rescue is Lando.

Lies, Han and Chewie have to save him from being pulled into the Great Pit of Carkoon by the All Mighty Sarlacc!

Let's do a Luke Rescue Counter.

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I liked Vader's quip. As someone else said he is fresh out of the Bacta and full of energy. Anakins in the PT besides being totally "ugh" had a fair few similar types of comment if I recall?

I find your lack of faith... disturbing.

Apologies accepted... Captain Needa

I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

I want that ship, not excuses.

The guy was a walking one liner in every movie.

And now, your highness, we will discuss the location of your hidden rebel base...

We would be honored if you could join us.

The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am...

No kidding.

Were Chirrit and Baze friends? Brothers? Lovers? The movie sure took a totally ambiguous and utterly unbold attempt to take a stance about it.

Baze was a temple guardian, Chirrit was one of the priests he was sworn to guard. With the loss of the Jedha temple, Baze's duty basically defaulted to following Chirrit around and saving his ass from whatever problem he decided to get himself involved in.

Their relationship was explained, rather quickly I will admit, at their introduction.

How has the Imperium not utterly crumbled from their complete incompetence at verifying codes and inspecting ships?

I actually caught something related to that and have a bit of a theory about the "imperial code scene" in Rogue One, at least. I'm going to spoiler it because it has some information from the Catalyst book, in case some folks haven't read it yet.

The uniform swap though, I got nothing on that.

Oh look, Cassian Andor climbed up while wounded to save Jyn Erso from director Krennic. Gee, I bet no one saw that old trope coming, especially since we never got any sort of clear confirmation that Andor was killed when Krennic shot him.

Yeah, that one was seen coming from a mile away

Were Chirrit and Baze friends? Brothers? Lovers? The movie sure took a totally ambiguous and utterly unbold attempt to take a stance about it.

Baze was a temple guardian, Chirrit was one of the priests he was sworn to guard. With the loss of the Jedha temple, Baze's duty basically defaulted to following around Chirrit and saving his ass from whatever problem he decided to get himself involved in.

Their relationships was explained, rather quickly I will admit, at their introduction.

I felt like they were building to Star Wars' first gay relationship, but then they backed off before making it explicit. Would have been nice to see a little more diversity, in that sense, in the Star Wars universe.

Baze and Chirrut were a bromance. Their whole trope, and it was superbly done I might add, is that Baze is an "atheist" and chirrut highly spiritual/religous.

Or maybe they were a gay couple. I'm cool either way.

Ashame Vader forgot that his lightsaber can cut through a simple bulkhead.

Who says he forgot? It doesn't cut stuff away instantly and the Tantive dropped away almost immediately after his saber punched through a door, undeterred by a body in the way.

[snip]Hence his allowing the Falcon crew to putz around the Death Star (instead of using the Force to sense the stowaways).

Uh, didn't you watch the movie? Of course he did it on purpose. They put a tracking device on the Falcon so that they could find the Rebel base they were searching for.

Or maybe they were a gay couple. I'm cool either way.

I honestly don't care if they're a gay couple or not. But it does bother me when ever a man shows genuine emotion or even love for another man, it seems like people assume they're lovers, I suppose same could be said for man and woman really.

If my best friend was killed in a battle like that I'd be just as upset as Baze was.. And if it were a battle that I knew was most likely a suicide mission, and I had no one to go home to. I'd go out in the same way, take as many of those SOB's down as I could.

Again what bugs me isn't that they have feelings for each other, it wouldn't even bug me if they were gay, but rather the assumption that the only way two men can have feelings that deep for each other is if they're gay.

After letting Rogue One simmer and reading several reviews, I wish they'd just make a 3 hour Star Wars movie of nothing but action and minimal plot. Just make beautiful explosive dogfights and space engagements that cuts between guerilla warfare and ambush/counterattack scenes between the Rebellion and the Empire.

Intercut that with Jedi / Sith lightsaber battles.

After letting Rogue One simmer and reading several reviews, I wish they'd just make a 3 hour Star Wars movie of nothing but action and minimal plot. Just make beautiful explosive dogfights and space engagements that cuts between guerilla warfare and ambush/counterattack scenes between the Rebellion and the Empire.

Intercut that with Jedi / Sith lightsaber battles.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361243/

Enjoy

I was just thinking. Galen may have sent his daughter after the plans without worry about the Imperials intercepting it because he changed the file name and they wouldn't have recognized the significance. If you're searching for "Death Star Plans" you may well skip over "Stardust" although the name stuck out the daughter like a sore thumb.

Of course that whole trip could have been avoided had the darn squad at Endo taken the architect prisoner instead of going there to kill him when they shouldn't have. Then they wouldn't have needed to go after the plans if they could have just gotting it from the source.

Or maybe they were a gay couple. I'm cool either way.

I honestly don't care if they're a gay couple or not. But it does bother me when ever a man shows genuine emotion or even love for another man, it seems like people assume they're lovers, I suppose same could be said for man and woman really.

If my best friend was killed in a battle like that I'd be just as upset as Baze was.. And if it were a battle that I knew was most likely a suicide mission, and I had no one to go home to. I'd go out in the same way, take as many of those SOB's down as I could.

Again what bugs me isn't that they have feelings for each other, it wouldn't even bug me if they were gay, but rather the assumption that the only way two men can have feelings that deep for each other is if they're gay.

Well said mate.

"We few; we happy few. We band of brothers. For he who sheds his blood with me this day shall be my brother."

Or maybe they were a gay couple. I'm cool either way.

I honestly don't care if they're a gay couple or not. But it does bother me when ever a man shows genuine emotion or even love for another man, it seems like people assume they're lovers, I suppose same could be said for man and woman really.

If my best friend was killed in a battle like that I'd be just as upset as Baze was.. And if it were a battle that I knew was most likely a suicide mission, and I had no one to go home to. I'd go out in the same way, take as many of those SOB's down as I could.

Again what bugs me isn't that they have feelings for each other, it wouldn't even bug me if they were gay, but rather the assumption that the only way two men can have feelings that deep for each other is if they're gay.

Oh my god no kidding, it's infuriating. Heaven forbid two men actually care about each other in a non romantic way..! Thing is though, this plagues the perceptions of every relationship between people for some reason. "Oh those two have got to be lovers!" What, because of them being comfortable with physical contact?

I've never understood the mindset. I really, truly never have. It boggles the mind.

Shippers will ship. /shrug

Shippers will ship. /shrug

Well, yeah. It was everywhere in the small colorful horse of my posession fandom.

Everywhere.

R1 should have had a scene of Cassian shooting a guy under the table, like, 8 times.

It's unlikely we'll see any kind of romance in Star Wars again soon. Disney seems to be be averse to the idea. Maybe with the Han Solo movie, if they are willing to go the more mature direction they did with Rogue One. But certainly not in the Sequential movies. The most we got out of TFA was a couple hugs. In fact, TFA went out of its way to avoid any kind of romantic subplots, let alone introduce a gay couple. It almost felt like it was hesitant to admit Ren was Han and Leia's kid, because that would imply that they had sex at some point. Okay, so that last part is a joke, but seriously, this is the movie where the script went out of its way to have the main character vocally refuse human contact, twice (nothing is repeated in a movie by accident), because she's a strong female protagonist and doesn't need a man, lol.

At least Jyn and Cassian got to hold hands and hug.

Humor aside, have to agree with the above. Two male characters should be allowed to demonstrate an elevated level of affection without it automatically inferring a sexual relationship. I mean, it wouldn't make one bit of difference to me if it wasn't, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. At the same time, I liked that Jyn and Cassian didn't have a romantic subplot. Coming back to the Dirty Dozen style war movie thing I've been harping on, a romantic subplot isn't a requirement for that genre.

C'mon, we all know who the first gay couple were. Finn and Poe.

Saw the movie again, loved it a bit more. Sat closer so I was able to see the little details better.

Hello Chopper.

It's unlikely we'll see any kind of romance in Star Wars again soon. Disney seems to be be averse to the idea. Maybe with the Han Solo movie, if they are willing to go the more mature direction they did with Rogue One. But certainly not in the Sequential movies. The most we got out of TFA was a couple hugs. In fact, TFA went out of its way to avoid any kind of romantic subplots, let alone introduce a gay couple. It almost felt like it was hesitant to admit Ren was Han and Leia's kid, because that would imply that they had sex at some point. Okay, so that last part is a joke, but seriously, this is the movie where the script went out of its way to have the main character vocally refuse human contact, twice (nothing is repeated in a movie by accident), because she's a strong female protagonist and doesn't need a man, lol.

At least Jyn and Cassian got to hold hands and hug.

Humor aside, have to agree with the above. Two male characters should be allowed to demonstrate an elevated level of affection without it automatically inferring a sexual relationship. I mean, it wouldn't make one bit of difference to me if it wasn't, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. At the same time, I liked that Jyn and Cassian didn't have a romantic subplot. Coming back to the Dirty Dozen style war movie thing I've been harping on, a romantic subplot isn't a requirement for that genre.

So, I've only read the last page of this thread, and it has me thinking HTF did a Disney Action/Adventure movie get to here???

Sheesh, it takes me back to HS literature where teachers told you about all this subliminal **** that was supposed to be happening in the book, and you're like, yeah, sure. . .this author's been dead 100 years and you know he meant all these subversive socio-political things when it might actually just be a story about a guy trying to kill a whale.

Mainly, I'm glad we have the first ADULT SW movie. No cute droids, no cute aliens, no fluffy mythology, just a good story that makes sense in the galaxy far, far away.

It's unlikely we'll see any kind of romance in Star Wars again soon. Disney seems to be be averse to the idea. Maybe with the Han Solo movie, if they are willing to go the more mature direction they did with Rogue One. But certainly not in the Sequential movies. The most we got out of TFA was a couple hugs. In fact, TFA went out of its way to avoid any kind of romantic subplots, let alone introduce a gay couple. It almost felt like it was hesitant to admit Ren was Han and Leia's kid, because that would imply that they had sex at some point. Okay, so that last part is a joke, but seriously, this is the movie where the script went out of its way to have the main character vocally refuse human contact, twice (nothing is repeated in a movie by accident), because she's a strong female protagonist and doesn't need a man, lol.

At least Jyn and Cassian got to hold hands and hug.

Humor aside, have to agree with the above. Two male characters should be allowed to demonstrate an elevated level of affection without it automatically inferring a sexual relationship. I mean, it wouldn't make one bit of difference to me if it wasn't, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. At the same time, I liked that Jyn and Cassian didn't have a romantic subplot. Coming back to the Dirty Dozen style war movie thing I've been harping on, a romantic subplot isn't a requirement for that genre.

So, I've only read the last page of this thread, and it has me thinking HTF did a Disney Action/Adventure movie get to here???

Sheesh, it takes me back to HS literature where teachers told you about all this subliminal **** that was supposed to be happening in the book, and you're like, yeah, sure. . .this author's been dead 100 years and you know he meant all these subversive socio-political things when it might actually just be a story about a guy trying to kill a whale.

Mainly, I'm glad we have the first ADULT SW movie. No cute droids, no cute aliens, no fluffy mythology, just a good story that makes sense in the galaxy far, far away.

Except Rebellion General thinks killing someone after rumors get out the project is COMPLETED will solve everything. that whole subplot was kind of stupid.

Red Five pulling a Porkins didn't make any sense.

Jyn and Cassian sitting on the beach watching impending doom coming towards them when they had enough time to fly Krennic's shuttle away from the blast and possibly survive.

Hutt tentacle monster that does whatever to Bodie...

If by adult star wars movie that you mean, "everyone dies", yeah i've had my fill of that thanks. I'm glad were not getting another one anytime soon.

I didn't hate the movie, but I was kind of disappointed with the ending. Could have ended better.

R1 should have had a scene of Cassian shooting a guy under the table, like, 8 times.

They should have gone to a cantina and re-enacted the bar scene from Inglorious Basterds.

Including the shooting an Imperial officer right in the nuggets part.

Except Rebellion General thinks killing someone after rumors get out the project is COMPLETED will solve everything. that whole subplot was kind of stupid.

Well he did say he was worried what else the guy might be dreaming up. I took that as a reference to the Sun Crusher.

It's unlikely we'll see any kind of romance in Star Wars again soon. Disney seems to be be averse to the idea. Maybe with the Han Solo movie, if they are willing to go the more mature direction they did with Rogue One. But certainly not in the Sequential movies. The most we got out of TFA was a couple hugs. In fact, TFA went out of its way to avoid any kind of romantic subplots, let alone introduce a gay couple. It almost felt like it was hesitant to admit Ren was Han and Leia's kid, because that would imply that they had sex at some point. Okay, so that last part is a joke, but seriously, this is the movie where the script went out of its way to have the main character vocally refuse human contact, twice (nothing is repeated in a movie by accident), because she's a strong female protagonist and doesn't need a man, lol.

At least Jyn and Cassian got to hold hands and hug.

Humor aside, have to agree with the above. Two male characters should be allowed to demonstrate an elevated level of affection without it automatically inferring a sexual relationship. I mean, it wouldn't make one bit of difference to me if it wasn't, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. At the same time, I liked that Jyn and Cassian didn't have a romantic subplot. Coming back to the Dirty Dozen style war movie thing I've been harping on, a romantic subplot isn't a requirement for that genre.

So, I've only read the last page of this thread, and it has me thinking HTF did a Disney Action/Adventure movie get to here???

Sheesh, it takes me back to HS literature where teachers told you about all this subliminal **** that was supposed to be happening in the book, and you're like, yeah, sure. . .this author's been dead 100 years and you know he meant all these subversive socio-political things when it might actually just be a story about a guy trying to kill a whale.

Mainly, I'm glad we have the first ADULT SW movie. No cute droids, no cute aliens, no fluffy mythology, just a good story that makes sense in the galaxy far, far away.

Except Rebellion General thinks killing someone after rumors get out the project is COMPLETED will solve everything. that whole subplot was kind of stupid.

Red Five pulling a Porkins didn't make any sense.

Jyn and Cassian sitting on the beach watching impending doom coming towards them when they had enough time to fly Krennic's shuttle away from the blast and possibly survive.

Hutt tentacle monster that does whatever to Bodie...

If by adult star wars movie that you mean, "everyone dies", yeah i've had my fill of that thanks. I'm glad were not getting another one anytime soon.

I didn't hate the movie, but I was kind of disappointed with the ending. Could have ended better.

Obviously the shuttle was unprotected and left with the doors open. And obviously it was close enough so they could reach it before they get vaporized even though they can barely walk. And obviously they could just fly away, ignoring the battle.