To be fair, he DID know leia was lying about being on a diplomatic mission.

Well, he tells the officer that he traced the plans to her. They suspected she had the plans. "Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies." Which again, is kinda true, lol. If by "beamed", he meant "Carried on board from the ship they were actually beamed to while I murderized everyone with my lightsaber."

Accusing her of lying about a diplomatic mission may have just been calling her bluff. It could also be that she's at Tatooine, and not at Alderaan, lol. "Yeah, Princess. A diplomatic mission to Alderaan. Taking the scenic route I see."

Seriously though

This movie really made me hate the hell out of the death star

There's a mission in X-Wing where a single Corvette rams through 4 star destroyer bridges...

AND KEEPS ON FLYING...

Getting back to the film; I think Jyn was a much more believable character than Rey was in TFA; certainly not the 'Mary Sue' archetype Rey turned into. With Jyn, I had no trouble accepting she could handle herself in a fight given she was raised by a warrior since a young age. And Felicity Jones' portrayal was convincing in that regard.

Rey on the other hand was good at everything she did because.... the Force?... Reasons?

Lots of scenes / dialogue from the trailers cut from the film, then. And maybe one or two cameos too many. But apart from that? Amazeballs.

Just got back from the film; I enjoyed the blank slate they painted this film with. Jyn, Cassian, Churrit and K2-SO were greatly developed characters; Director Krennic was egotistical and crossed paths with the wrong person (Governor Tarkin), the last 10 minutes of the film with Darth Vader, Cassian & Jyn and the destruction of Scarif was 4 decades in he making in my opinion. The CGI on Tarkin was brillant, Leia CGI was okay as well... I would like to say the way the weaved ANH and Rogue ONe was good. A little humor from C-3PO and R2, Bail's numerous one liners and the epic (yes epic scene with Vader on the Corvette, and Leia's arrival) - I was sad the way Galen died, it was inspiration the speech Jyn gave, Chirrut and K-2SO bravery and all the other Rogue One's death were equally impactful.

9 things I will always remember and love from this film:

1. Vader (approxiamently 7 minutes at the most) His scenes were great and no one will ever forget his savagery.

2. Jyn Erso - She should go down (along with her crew) as just as important as any other character in SW

3. Sacrifice for the greater good

4. The "Guardians of the Whills" - Baze and Chirrut

5. Bail Organa

6. That a Rebellion no matter how small can overcome;

7. Director Krennic believed he was more influencial than he was

8. Jyn Erso is now one of my favorite characters (along w/ Chirrut and K2-SO)

9. Cassian coming back from near death to save Jyn only to moments later die together knowing the completed the mission

Darth Vader carried the movie for me. I hoped we would see just a little bit of Darth Vader and that he would show us why he is so feared. Both of those hopes were met.

The rest of the film was ... alright, I guess? No, it was good, but I wasn't sitting there with a stupid grin on my face for the whole movie like I was when I saw The Force Awakens. Now, I do think TFA had more problems than Rogue One. Indeed, I can say that Rogue One is the better Star Wars movie. But I just had more fun watching TFA.

If Darth Vader hadn't had his two scenes in this movie, I would have ranked this move worse than Revenge of the Sith and maybe even worse than Attack of the Clones. Maybe my opinion will change when I see it again.

EDIT: On another note, I wondered the whole movie whether the kyber crystal around Jyn's neck would somehow become the one used in Luke's RotJ lightsaber. We usually expect a green crystal for a green blade, but I'm not sure that is canon at the moment, so I thought that might be a possibility. But the way the movie ended, that's not the case. (And yes, I know in the old canon Luke built a synthetic lightsaber crystal in Obi-Wan's hut.)

Getting back to the film; I think Jyn was a much more believable character than Rey was in TFA; certainly not the 'Mary Sue' archetype Rey turned into. With Jyn, I had no trouble accepting she could handle herself in a fight given she was raised by a warrior since a young age. And Felicity Jones' portrayal was convincing in that regard.

Rey on the other hand was good at everything she did because.... the Force?... Reasons?

Rey has no character arc.

She starts out able to do everything that she needs to do. Everyone she meets is either someone for her to talk to, or provides a space ship that she can fly around in to get to the next stop on her journey.

She can fight, she learns to pilot the Falcon like an ace in the span of seconds, when it breaks down, she figures out how to fix it instantly (as opposed to Han and Chewbacca who have been flying it for decades). All skills she learned picking up shiny trash on Planet Afghanistan. Even when she gets captured, it's just a vehicle for her to learn Jedi tricks by observation other characters took months or years to master, and then rescue herself (which was fortunate considering how tight the timing was to destroy the shield generator, lol). Finally, she learns to lightsaber duel by epiphany. If only Luke had figured out that all he had to do was think "The Force!". Would have saved him all that hazing from Yoda and getting his hand chopped off.

But, let's be serious. JJ Abrams is the guy who wrote Takin' Care of Business and Gone Fishin', and you could tell that most of the dialog was his handiwork, and not Kirshner's. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if it comes out that Kirshner's version of the script was basically abandoned.

There's really no comparison. Even Rogue One's fairly shallow Dirty Dozen-style characters were better than Invincible Rey and the Set Dressings.

James Bond gets away with it because the story of the James Bond universe is that he is a highly trained super-spy. James Bond does James Bond things. But nobody ever accuses Bond movies of being great character pieces, lol. The problem with Rey is that she is James Bond in a universe where the audience is never given any indication that she would have any reason to be that capable.

But I mean, come on. The plot of TFA isn't much better, lol. In a good story, the action in one scene drives the action in the next scene. In A New Hope, the only "convenience" is that it is Luke who finds R2D2. But, after that, the droid leads them to Alderaan, which leads them to the Death Star, which leads them to Leia, who leads them to the Rebellion. In TFA, the ending of the movie requires everything in the previous scenes to come together on its behalf. Look, It's the Millennium Falcon! Look, Han Solo found us in the Millennium Falcon! Look, Luke's Lost Lightsaber is in the basement of the random Space Bar we went to! Look, Luke's lightsaber is the missing piece of R2D2's puzzle! None of those events logically connect. Half of TFA's plot is pure serendipity. Not to mention all the other conveniences like "Look, I found us a two seat TIE Fighter with a backwards shooting gun so I have something to do while we trade cheerful banter during this escape!" or Poe getting thrown clear of a TIE Fighter wreckage in the middle of the desert, nowhere to be seen by Finn, like the movie is Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, lol. "Ted! You're alive!" "Yeah, I totally fell out of my armor when I hit the floor!"

Reeeally enjoyed this movie, Vader oh man!!! But they need to stop with the CGI people, it looks sooo bad, I loved a certain characters inclusion in the movie but would have preferred a new actor. Also Jyn climbs hella fast, she reached the top before Krennic could get to the elevator

Reeeally enjoyed this movie, Vader oh man!!! But they need to stop with the CGI people, it looks sooo bad, I loved a certain characters inclusion in the movie but would have preferred a new actor. Also Jyn climbs hella fast, she reached the top before Krennic could get to the elevator

She has skill focus in Climbing, granting her a +10 bonus on her climb check, which she rolled a natural 20 for anyway. Then she took a -5 penalty to her climb check to do it quickly, but succeeded on her acrobatics check to negate the penalty for going fast.

Reeeally enjoyed this movie, Vader oh man!!! But they need to stop with the CGI people, it looks sooo bad, I loved a certain characters inclusion in the movie but would have preferred a new actor. Also Jyn climbs hella fast, she reached the top before Krennic could get to the elevator

To see Tarkin was one of the best moments. Would not like to miss it by replacing him with another character

Reeeally enjoyed this movie, Vader oh man!!! But they need to stop with the CGI people, it looks sooo bad, I loved a certain characters inclusion in the movie but would have preferred a new actor. Also Jyn climbs hella fast, she reached the top before Krennic could get to the elevator

To see Tarkin was one of the best moments. Would not like to miss it by replacing him with another character

But don't you think they could have cast a new actor to play Tarkin ? I think I would have liked that better, myself. The CGI just wasn't good enough. And they definitely could have skipped Leia's face shot and just had her speak while we saw her figure from behind. As others have pointed out, she kept her face hidden for a few shots in Episode IV, so avoiding a face shot would have been consistent with the beginning of that film.

Yeah I think Tarkin is the most divisive aspect of the film (based on this forum and other reviews I've seen) with people either taken out by it or thinking it's the best thing ever.

I'm in the latter camp. Myself and my friend went mental (quietly, it is a cinema) when not only did he show up but he had whole scenes! And seeing it in 2D that wasn't stupidly high number-K quality helped I feel. But to be fair, I was just so excited that they went THAT far with it that I just didn't care. I was on cloud 9.

So sadly the striker was barely in the movie. And we never saw it once in space.

Personally, O was fine with the CGI characters. It was risly, but they held up well and helped tie the movie together.

Certainly they were an order of magnitude more convincing than Snoke.

Great story, great characters, great film. Could probably have done without a couple of the (dual) cameos, but that's really nitpicking.

Reeeally enjoyed this movie, Vader oh man!!! But they need to stop with the CGI people, it looks sooo bad, I loved a certain characters inclusion in the movie but would have preferred a new actor. Also Jyn climbs hella fast, she reached the top before Krennic could get to the elevator

To see Tarkin was one of the best moments. Would not like to miss it by replacing him with another character

I did not see Tarkin, I saw a creepy over anmated CGI character. You can't replace Peter Cushing with CGI so why not go with an actor in Tarkinesk make up. I am all for Tarkins role in the movie, just not the execution. Same with Maz and Snooke, they stuck out like sore thumps in TFA.

Reeeally enjoyed this movie, Vader oh man!!! But they need to stop with the CGI people, it looks sooo bad, I loved a certain characters inclusion in the movie but would have preferred a new actor. Also Jyn climbs hella fast, she reached the top before Krennic could get to the elevator

To see Tarkin was one of the best moments. Would not like to miss it by replacing him with another character

But don't you think they could have cast a new actor to play Tarkin ? I think I would have liked that better, myself. The CGI just wasn't good enough. And they definitely could have skipped Leia's face shot and just had her speak while we saw her figure from behind. As others have pointed out, she kept her face hidden for a few shots in Episode IV, so avoiding a face shot would have been consistent with the beginning of that film.

Wholeheartedly agree.

Saw it today.

So, the moment they introduced the communication dish, I thought, for just a second, "Oh man, what if they have to beam the plans out because none of them can escape?" but then immediately dismissed that idea. There's no way Jyn at least would die, right? Was damned surprised to see a total party wipe.

Some of the appearances of old characters were great. Tarken, Leia, Bail, Mon...they actually did things in relation to the story.

Other's sucked. Evazan, Ponda, R2 and C3PO were all pointless prequel-esqe walkthroughs.

I love that the exhaust port weakness was something that was intentionally introduced, rather than just something the Rebels happened to find. That makes WAY more sense than the way it was before. And it makes sense that the Imperials themselves didn't find it because it was hidden, the plans that were stolen were, like, the only completely plans, and the guy in charge of building the thing died before he could look over what Urso did.

The Zeta transports are really cool looking. Easily the best of the new Lamba ripoffs we've been getting. Better than Kylo's and Krennic's shuttles.

As far as X-Wing/Armada goes, the new Rebel flagship, and the Hammerhead were obvious standouts. I want to know more about that ship that looks like an oversized TIE Striker that carried the Death Troopers into battle.

Evazan and Ponda got a chuckle out of me, I could just see Evazan being a jerk around the galaxy while his friend always has to calm him down.

Reeeally enjoyed this movie, Vader oh man!!! But they need to stop with the CGI people, it looks sooo bad, I loved a certain characters inclusion in the movie but would have preferred a new actor. Also Jyn climbs hella fast, she reached the top before Krennic could get to the elevator

To see Tarkin was one of the best moments. Would not like to miss it by replacing him with another character

I did not see Tarkin, I saw a creepy over anmated CGI character. You can't replace Peter Cushing with CGI so why not go with an actor in Tarkinesk make up. I am all for Tarkins role in the movie, just not the execution. Same with Maz and Snooke, they stuck out like sore thumps in TFA.

That is also a matter of the treshold of imagination. Some people might also just see CGI and pixels when looking at TIE fighters or animated aliens. When you start looking at some CGI in an intensive manner to find imperfect things, then it is hard to convince someone. Most of my friends who don't know he is dead didn't cehck he was CGI, the other part (like me) just remembered him in real standing there and giving his classic orders. "Fire when ready!"

Saw the movie, have not read the whole thread, if this has already been mentioned, I apologize. This NEEDS to be said though. K2SO REALLY should have been a pilot in the U-Wing expansion.

Saw it today.

So, the moment they introduced the communication dish, I thought, for just a second, "Oh man, what if they have to beam the plans out because none of them can escape?" but then immediately dismissed that idea. There's no way Jyn at least would die, right? Was damned surprised to see a total party wipe.

Some of the appearances of old characters were great. Tarken, Leia, Bail, Mon...they actually did things in relation to the story.

Other's sucked. Evazan, Ponda, R2 and C3PO were all pointless prequel-esqe walkthroughs.

I love that the exhaust port weakness was something that was intentionally introduced, rather than just something the Rebels happened to find. That makes WAY more sense than the way it was before. And it makes sense that the Imperials themselves didn't find it because it was hidden, the plans that were stolen were, like, the only completely plans, and the guy in charge of building the thing died before he could look over what Urso did.

As far as X-Wing/Armada goes, the new Rebel flagship, and the Hammerhead were obvious standouts. I want to know more about that ship that looks like an oversized TIE Striker that carried the Death Troopers into battle.

Evazan and Ponda made me laugh. Didn't bother me at all. R2 and C3PO made perfect sense to have a cameo from, unlike them being main characters in the prequels. Bail Organa was there, captain antilles was there (at least in name), leia was there, obviously the droids would be there too.

We know Hera Syndulla is in it right before they leave to scarif over the speakers of the base we hear general hera syndulla report to the control room

Also now have it in my head that when one of the X-Wing pilots is being chased by a Tie and says "I can't shake her!", that the Tie was Howlrunner. No way the pilot could know and it was totally a 'ships are female' thing, but it's now my head-canon so therefore I will always believe it

I heard that, and I thought the same thing. I was hoping for a few more shout-outs to named X-Wing pilots (especially on the side of the Empire), while knowing full-well it would never happen.

Great show, though. Wow.

The use of footage Red and Gold Leaders was brilliant and seeing Dutch definitely got a whoop of joy out of me in the cinema.

I had exactly the same reaction at seeing Dutch.

We know Hera Syndulla is in it right before they leave to scarif over the speakers of the base we hear general hera syndulla report to the control room

Well, there is another Syndulla involved with the Rebellion.