Random question:

When Bail Organa and Mon Mothma were talking...just me, or did they switch gender pronouns on the person they were talking about? Wife and I bought caught that, but we heard it switch at different times. DEFINITELY he finished with "I'd trust her with my life" answering Mon Mothma's question if she could be trusted...which seems a somewhat bizarre thing to say if talking about his own adopted daughter, on a ship that had already departed. Wife heard the feminine pronoun used earlier, referring to the 'Jedi in hiding', whereas I was pretty sure he switched after that. IE., talking about Obi-Wan (in hiding) and Leia (who he'd trust to deliver the message)...which makes sense for what we see in the next movie, but makes very little sense in context. Wife's theory is that he was talking about Ahsoka, which in retrospect also seems possible.

Not sure it matters either way, but the gender pronoun switch basically mid-conversation struck us both a bit odd.

My wife said the same thing - I missed the pronoun, assumed they were talking about Obi-Wan. When she said that she had heard "her" I also thought maybe it was an Ahsoka reference, but are we sure that Bail didn't start talking about Leia in there - as in he would send his daughter and he trusted her with his life? I'll have to pay close attention on next viewing.

That was my takeaway. the first few lines of the conversations are Mon Mothma asking bail to contact Obi-wan ("Your friend, the Jedi") as she knows that the rebellion is about to step up from presumably small-scale actions into all-out civil war. she then asks Bail who he's going to send to do it, and Bail says it'll be someone (female) who he would trust with his life, Hence Leia.

lots of spoilers but yeap they hit the nail on the head

Random question:

When Bail Organa and Mon Mothma were talking...just me, or did they switch gender pronouns on the person they were talking about? Wife and I bought caught that, but we heard it switch at different times. DEFINITELY he finished with "I'd trust her with my life" answering Mon Mothma's question if she could be trusted...which seems a somewhat bizarre thing to say if talking about his own adopted daughter, on a ship that had already departed. Wife heard the feminine pronoun used earlier, referring to the 'Jedi in hiding', whereas I was pretty sure he switched after that. IE., talking about Obi-Wan (in hiding) and Leia (who he'd trust to deliver the message)...which makes sense for what we see in the next movie, but makes very little sense in context. Wife's theory is that he was talking about Ahsoka, which in retrospect also seems possible.

Not sure it matters either way, but the gender pronoun switch basically mid-conversation struck us both a bit odd.

My wife said the same thing - I missed the pronoun, assumed they were talking about Obi-Wan. When she said that she had heard "her" I also thought maybe it was an Ahsoka reference, but are we sure that Bail didn't start talking about Leia in there - as in he would send his daughter and he trusted her with his life? I'll have to pay close attention on next viewing.

That was my takeaway. the first few lines of the conversations are Mon Mothma asking bail to contact Obi-wan ("Your friend, the Jedi") as she knows that the rebellion is about to step up from presumably small-scale actions into all-out civil war. she then asks Bail who he's going to send to do it, and Bail says it'll be someone (female) who he would trust with his life, Hence Leia.

That definitely seems the most conventional way to read it. Only:

1) Is Mon Mothma really asking if Bail and trust his own daughter?

2) Who the Rebels have already been working with ? After all, we've all seen the TV show, right? Those Hammerhead Corvettes in this battle WERE PROVIDED BY LEIA . Soooo....

3) And what kind of decision are they talking about, anyway? The fleet had already jumped - Admiral Raddus was already on-site with the Tantive IV in his hold. So...bit late to be thinking about 'who to send'.

4) Not to mention the whole 'Tantive IV escaping' scene looked like the very definition of an impromptu break from plan.

Anyway, it's certainly the most consistent-with-the-next-movie way to read that exchange, but...definitely going to have to pay better attention next time.

On the topic of the docked Tantive IV: It could be said that the Imperials didn't have time to ID the ship before it made it to hyperspace, and without the Force Vader would have had no proof that Leia was telling the truth to him and that he had waylaid the wrong CR-90. Being that most people don't seem to understand how the Force works in Star Wars, she could have been playing that card rather well all things considered.

Also; God **** but that Vader scene was everything from Star Wars that I have wanted since first seeing it. 11/10, will see in theatres again.

I just had the impression that she was trying to wriggle out of it - it IS a diplomatic shuttle, even if they both know that she's carrying what she's carrying. It lends a different tone to the line - before the Death Star he would have been overreaching himself to do what he did, and he knows that - the Senate would have punished him severely etc etc. But now that they've got their planet killer, they can finally just ignore the senate entirely and go Full Evil.

There was very little I didn't like about this movie. I had a fantastic time, it was just the right amount of nostalgic nods to past Star Wars and new stuff, and struckj the perfect tone of the retrofuturist feel of star wars, coupled to a more gritty and realistic style focussed away from the Big **** Heroes and on the little guys.

Even the bits that were dumb as heck (HAMMERHEAD CORVETTE) I absolutely loved.

I want to believe that there's a few people from Blue Squadron who ejected or survived their crashes on Scarif (or just didn't get shot down and outflew the explosion), and looked up at their way out being blocked by a pair of crashed Star Destroyers, and just decided to fly off into the sunset and go full Robinson Crusoe on an idyllic beach somewhere.

"I am one with the force and the force is with me" *sniffle*

I was talking to a mate about the ending today; and he was saying that they pretty much had to end it with the plans being handed to Leia. Anything less and people would have been asking "So how did the plans get from that ship/Rebel outpost etc. to Leia? And how did Vader know her ship had them?"

Now, granted; they could have demonstrated the Tantive IV getting the plans another way (perhaps swooping down to Scarif during the battle to receive the transmission?) but in the end; it was still a good way to end things.

Plus we got that awesome scene which has to be inspired by the Vader crew card art. Go on, tell me Gareth Edwards and the production crew aren't fans of this game...

The problem with the 'Vader boarding the ship' thing is...it means the ship survived.

Which...seems like a pretty big plot hole created for no reason other than 'allowing a cool scene to happen'. I mean, Vader/Anakin has a demonstrated ability (shared with many other Force users) to read people's minds in interrogation. Particularly non-major-characters.

So you are telling me that this entire ship full of Rebel forces captured alive had never been to Yavin 4? Nor the Admiral of the ship, who we saw at a briefing on Yavin 4 ? Nevermind all the X-Wing, Y-Wing, and U-Wing pilots that had flown to this battle from Yavin 4? All that - flight computers, jump distance calculations, living people to interrogate...ALL basically straight from Yavin 4...and somehow the Empire wasn't able to figure out where the Rebel base was?

Solution was simple - just have the Rebel fleet destroyed more comprehensively. Nobody left alive, all ships destroyed...problem solved.

The starship crew didn't have to know about Yavin, I don't think we saw any capships in Yavin orbit and none were present in ANH. Maybe the fleet has a base somwhere else, or they just hang out in deep space.

Of course some of the crew was on Yavin, like the blue admiral, but we don't know if he survived the battle and how long could it także to extract informations from him - I don't think much time has passed between the battle of Scarif and the battle of Yavin.

Random question:

When Bail Organa and Mon Mothma were talking...just me, or did they switch gender pronouns on the person they were talking about? Wife and I bought caught that, but we heard it switch at different times. DEFINITELY he finished with "I'd trust her with my life" answering Mon Mothma's question if she could be trusted...which seems a somewhat bizarre thing to say if talking about his own adopted daughter, on a ship that had already departed. Wife heard the feminine pronoun used earlier, referring to the 'Jedi in hiding', whereas I was pretty sure he switched after that. IE., talking about Obi-Wan (in hiding) and Leia (who he'd trust to deliver the message)...which makes sense for what we see in the next movie, but makes very little sense in context. Wife's theory is that he was talking about Ahsoka, which in retrospect also seems possible.

Not sure it matters either way, but the gender pronoun switch basically mid-conversation struck us both a bit odd.

My wife said the same thing - I missed the pronoun, assumed they were talking about Obi-Wan. When she said that she had heard "her" I also thought maybe it was an Ahsoka reference, but are we sure that Bail didn't start talking about Leia in there - as in he would send his daughter and he trusted her with his life? I'll have to pay close attention on next viewing.

That was my takeaway. the first few lines of the conversations are Mon Mothma asking bail to contact Obi-wan ("Your friend, the Jedi") as she knows that the rebellion is about to step up from presumably small-scale actions into all-out civil war. she then asks Bail who he's going to send to do it, and Bail says it'll be someone (female) who he would trust with his life, Hence Leia.

That definitely seems the most conventional way to read it. Only:

1) Is Mon Mothma really asking if Bail and trust his own daughter?

2) Who the Rebels have already been working with ? After all, we've all seen the TV show, right? Those Hammerhead Corvettes in this battle WERE PROVIDED BY LEIA . Soooo....

3) And what kind of decision are they talking about, anyway? The fleet had already jumped - Admiral Raddus was already on-site with the Tantive IV in his hold. So...bit late to be thinking about 'who to send'.

4) Not to mention the whole 'Tantive IV escaping' scene looked like the very definition of an impromptu break from plan.

Anyway, it's certainly the most consistent-with-the-next-movie way to read that exchange, but...definitely going to have to pay better attention next time.

But Bail doesn't tell Mothma who he wants to send, she doesn't know it's Leia.

Are we sure Tantive was in the hangar bay of the capship the whole time and not just docked when the ship has been disabled?

I think they blew out a hanger for the Tantive to escape.

This movie paid homage to A New Hope 10x better than force awakens, which had too many flaws to really call it a good movie though it had it's moments.

This also paid homage to the war movies back in the 60s and 70s in plot and style while still being a star wars movie. More retro goodness there.

Tarkin was hit and miss on the CGI, some times nailed it other times, not so much.

It was very clear from the body language David Prowse was not playing Darth Vader. So much for the idea that anyone can dress up in the suit and make it work. Prowse did put on a performance that was probably under appreciated. Oddly, James Earl Jones does a good job, again.

It was clear 40 years ago the people who transmitted the plans didn't make it, why Leia was blockage running and trying but failing to escape. It was the droids that that was the last straw of hope. I am glad this movie didn't carebear the ending.

They resurrected everyone but John Williams. The music through most of the movie just wasn't very good (the end was good though). I get John is old and has had it, but doing a rearrangement of his score wouldn't be too hard. With better background music the movie wouldn't have dragged as much as it did through the first two acts.

Yeah, I'm also disappointed by the music. I think that's what you get when you switch composers 2 months before the movie gets out (unless we speak of Maurice Jarre ^^).
I really hope some of Desplat's work comes out at some point, since the little bits we heard in early trailers was really better than what we got for the final cut.

They resurrected everyone but John Williams. The music through most of the movie just wasn't very good (the end was good though). I get John is old and has had it, but doing a rearrangement of his score wouldn't be too hard. With better background music the movie wouldn't have dragged as much as it did through the first two acts.

What REALLY made this strike a chord for me, when it otherwise might not have - last few days, I've been listening to a rather solid "fan made" compilation of Rogue One-themed tracks. These are basically fan-made extensions and remixes of the 'Rogue One' trailer samples alongside the John Williams originals.

...it is, compared to what we got, FREAKING BRILLIANT . And, again, really made it stand out how inferior the 'actual' score was. A shame!

(And FWIW, don't count John Williams out, yet - at the moment, he's still on board to score Episode VIII)

I didn't notice the music being bad?

I think probably the worst bit for me was Cassian's speech just before the commandos leave for Scarif. It was just really flat, I could tell it was meant to be inspiring but I really didn't get that feeling from it. And I'm really reaching to get that.

I don't think much time has passed between the battle of Scarif and the battle of Yavin.

Indeed. For all we know, the (surviving) crew of admiral's ship are busy being probed by the interrogate-o-droid somewhere, and it's just that Vader and the Devastator set off straightaway after Leia.

And.....yeah. The "Vader has boarded your ship" scene was just brutal, but I think captured the feel well. I like the fact that - even when clearly hurrying - he never breaks out of a menacing swift walk. Plus, I think that has to be one of the first times we see a sith properly letting loose on non-jedi opponents, and it totally justifies his reputation....

Also, the scene where the shield gate hangar was launching. That's a lot of TIE fighters.

I actually found the score of this to be much more satisfying than TFA; which I thought was incredibly underwhelming and forgettable compared to William's other work.

I actually found the score of this to be much more satisfying than TFA; which I thought was incredibly underwhelming and forgettable compared to William's other work.

Oh, I agree - TFA wasn't great. Listening to it on repeat a few times...Rey's leitmotif does come out well enough, as an original element for it, that on the whole I like that Williams was still around to score it.

But it's a pretty far cry from the prequels (which, whatever you think about the movies themselves, had some incredible score work - indeed, the score work basically stands on its own well enough to tell those stories without the movies being needed).

The other good point of the movie is that it makes Episode IV better. The weak point of the Death star is now not based on a construction "error", which was a bit ridiculous in the original movie.

I actually found the score of this to be much more satisfying than TFA; which I thought was incredibly underwhelming and forgettable compared to William's other work.

Oh, I agree - TFA wasn't great. Listening to it on repeat a few times...Rey's leitmotif does come out well enough, as an original element for it, that on the whole I like that Williams was still around to score it.

But it's a pretty far cry from the prequels (which, whatever you think about the movies themselves, had some incredible score work - i ndeed, the score work basically stands on its own well enough to tell those stories without the movies being needed ).

Agreed. I consider that to be an excellent measure by which to judge a score. If by just listening to the score alone I can recall the film and the story/messages it conveyed; then I'm sold. The OT soundtrack is like that; as is much of Hans Zimmers work - particularly his work for Gladiator, Interstellar, and the Last Samurai.

So when will we se the octopus as crew card?

Octopus (2 pt, 3 crew slots)

"You can ask your opponent anything you want. He has to say the truth or he loses the game."

(Start with the passwords of his bank accounts)

So when will we se the octopus as crew card?

Octopus (2 pt, 3 crew slots)

"You can ask your opponent anything you want. He has to say the truth or he loses the game."

(Start with the passwords of his bank accounts)

Hopefully never. That's one bit of the movie that just felt completely extraneous and a bit off-tone.

I actually found the score of this to be much more satisfying than TFA; which I thought was incredibly underwhelming and forgettable compared to William's other work.

Oh, I agree - TFA wasn't great. Listening to it on repeat a few times...Rey's leitmotif does come out well enough, as an original element for it, that on the whole I like that Williams was still around to score it.

But it's a pretty far cry from the prequels (which, whatever you think about the movies themselves, had some incredible score work - i ndeed, the score work basically stands on its own well enough to tell those stories without the movies being needed ).

Agreed. I consider that to be an excellent measure by which to judge a score. If by just listening to the score alone I can recall the film and the story/messages it conveyed; then I'm sold. The OT soundtrack is like that; as is much of Hans Zimmers work - particularly his work for Gladiator, Interstellar, and the Last Samurai.

Exactly. I mean, as ham-handed as the acting and dialog was for Anakin and Padme...listen to "Across the Stars"...

....and you know the story.

And Williams just did that again and again in the prequels. OST for them is really all you need....

(He certainly did very good in the OT, too, although starting with IV it's obvious he hasn't quite established all the themes he'll be using. Very solid by VI, of course. The prequels were really a lot of very impressive work - introducing so many new themes that worked well. Which is really what made VIII...feel weaker than it could have. You've basically got Rey's theme, and...that's sort of it for 'new' leitmotifs or themes.)

So when will we se the octopus as crew card?

Octopus (2 pt, 3 crew slots)

"You can ask your opponent anything you want. He has to say the truth or he loses the game."

(Start with the passwords of his bank accounts)

Hopefully never. That's one bit of the movie that just felt completely extraneous and a bit off-tone.

I liked it very much. Generally I like to see that not every alien has to be humanoidic

So when will we se the octopus as crew card?

Octopus (2 pt, 3 crew slots)

"You can ask your opponent anything you want. He has to say the truth or he loses the game."

(Start with the passwords of his bank accounts)

Hopefully never. That's one bit of the movie that just felt completely extraneous and a bit off-tone.

I kind of wondered what the hell purpose it served in the narrative, other than to show how extreme Saw was.

We got a PRETTY good idea of that given his band of buddies.

I've said already that there's one scene that I just don't understand why it's in the movie - like it was meant to lead somewhere then they cut out what it leads to and forgot to edit this scene out with it. That's the 'octopus' scene (Porgullet)>

I've watched Rogue One a second time and I now think I know why it's still in, even though it's completely irrelevant - the scene BEFORE where Bodhi meets Saw is really good and essential, but it ends with Saw saying 'Porgullet, take him to Porgullet'. So if they want that scene in the movie, and it needs to be in, then the octopus has to be there even though it's pointless. I expected them to make Bodhi like howling mad Murdoch from the A-Team but 'losing ones mind' seems to basically mean 'rock into space for 30 seconds then be fine'.


AND

All the chat about Tarkin looking odd or not. The thing that REALLY bugs me when it's on screen... the neck section of Vader's helmet is ENORMOUS. It's like they've just shoved a bucket on his head. It definitely wasn't like that in the other films.

The thing I couldn't help but notice about Vader was during his initial entrance on Mustafar. He had what I can only describe as a "Beyonce-style hip swagger" to his movement. It's a minor thing and was only there for a single shot but it really stood out to me. It does say a lot of the physical performance that David Prowse brought to the role.

The thing I couldn't help but notice about Vader was during his initial entrance on Mustafar. He had what I can only describe as a "Beyonce-style hip swagger" to his movement. It's a minor thing and was only there for a single shot but it really stood out to me. It does say a lot of the physical performance that David Prowse brought to the roll.

Ha, I thought I was the only person on Earth that picked that up. "Snakehips" Vader was ridiculous, but at least the exchange with Krennic put his intimidation back in.

Maybe K2 will be a pilot on Rogue One

So when will we se the octopus as crew card?

Octopus (2 pt, 3 crew slots)

"You can ask your opponent anything you want. He has to say the truth or he loses the game."

(Start with the passwords of his bank accounts)

Hopefully never. That's one bit of the movie that just felt completely extraneous and a bit off-tone.

I liked it very much. Generally I like to see that not every alien has to be humanoidic

That part I liked.

The content of the scene less so.