This question was brought up in a game. SOT says "When attacking with primary weapon from your primary firing arc You may roll one additional die. If you do, you may preform an additional attack from your auxiliary firing arc" his argument is if he doesn't attack from his primary arc he gets two attacks from his auxiliary since he didn't use the extra die in the attack. Was he right?

No. The trigger for SOT is "When attacking with your primary weapon from your primary firing arc..." If you don't attack with your primary weapon from your front arc you should ignore the rest of the text.

I knew he was wrong but he didn't want to believe me. He wanted it from another source I guess. Thanks much

It's not a new issue.

When the TIE/SF attacks with the title you've basically got to following situations:

A: Attack target in rear arc as 2 die primary.

B: Attack target in primary arc; trigger title.

B.1: Title gives attack in primary arc +1 die OR

B.2: Title allows you to make an additional attack against a target in your rear arc OR

B.3: You just ignore the title and roll your attack in your primary arc normally (not that you normally want to)

C: you attack from the primary arc with a missile.

Everyone forgets C.

C: you attack from the primary arc with a missile.

Everyone forgets C.

That's because everyone forgets that TIEs not named Bomber or Punisher ever have those slots.

This even more true when you've got a fighter that looks almost identical to a TIE Fighter or TIE/fo and neither of those ships have missile slots.

Ok, maybe people occasionally put a proton rocket on an Advanced or something but missiles on TIEs isn't all that common.

This is a laughably common issue, to the point im surprised there isnt a FAQ just to clarify it.

Its one trigger (attack w/ primary weapon out of firing arc) leading into two options (+1 die, or second attack out the rear). Way too many people read the "If you do not" as a completely separate trigger, which i dont understand because its not a new paragraph.

Backdraft would be broken beyond broken if he could fire twice out his ass.

This is a laughably common issue, to the point im surprised there isnt a FAQ just to clarify it.

Its one trigger (attack w/ primary weapon out of firing arc) leading into two options (+1 die, or second attack out the rear). Way too many people read the "If you do not" as a completely separate trigger, which i dont understand because its not a new paragraph.

Backdraft would be broken beyond broken if he could fire twice out his ass.

They all would to be honest. Getting a free double tap would be cray.

It's not a new issue.

When the TIE/SF attacks with the title you've basically got to following situations:

A: Attack target in rear arc as 2 die primary.

B: Attack target in primary arc; trigger title.

B.1: Title gives attack in primary arc +1 die OR

B.2: Title allows you to make an additional attack against a target in your rear arc OR

B.3: You just ignore the title and roll your attack in your primary arc normally (not that you normally want to)

Sorry to bring this back - first time today in flying my TIE/SF and would just like to make sure I'm finally reading it right.

A = attack out the rear arc using ships 2-die attack (before die modifiers like range etc)

B.1 = attack out the front arc adding 1 additional die from the Title for a 3-die attack (before modifiers)

B.2 = attack out the front arc using ships 2-die attack AND out the rear arc using ships 2-die attack (before modifiers) ...Shooting from both ends at the same time - this was the one I misread!

B.3 = Attack normally from the front without the title's extra die?

C = Other weapon options ie missiles firing out of primary arc as per their rules etc.

Please let me know if I've read it correctly or not, as it stands above I was definitely using it wrong earlier today

It's not a new issue.

When the TIE/SF attacks with the title you've basically got to following situations:

A: Attack target in rear arc as 2 die primary.

B: Attack target in primary arc; trigger title.

B.1: Title gives attack in primary arc +1 die OR

B.2: Title allows you to make an additional attack against a target in your rear arc OR

B.3: You just ignore the title and roll your attack in your primary arc normally (not that you normally want to)

Sorry to bring this back - first time today in flying my TIE/SF and would just like to make sure I'm finally reading it right.

A = attack out the rear arc using ships 2-die attack (before die modifiers like range etc)

B.1 = attack out the front arc adding 1 additional die from the Title for a 3-die attack (before modifiers)

B.2 = attack out the front arc using ships 2-die attack AND out the rear arc using ships 2-die attack (before modifiers) ...Shooting from both ends at the same time - this was the one I misread!

B.3 = Attack normally from the front without the title's extra die?

C = Other weapon options ie missiles firing out of primary arc as per their rules etc.

Please let me know if I've read it correctly or not, as it stands above I was definitely using it wrong earlier today

That's correct. Those are your options.

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Sorry to bring this back - first time today in flying my TIE/SF and would just like to make sure I'm finally reading it right.

A = attack out the rear arc using ships 2-die attack (before die modifiers like range etc)

B.1 = attack out the front arc adding 1 additional die from the Title for a 3-die attack (before modifiers)

B.2 = attack out the front arc using ships 2-die attack AND out the rear arc using ships 2-die attack (before modifiers) ...Shooting from both ends at the same time - this was the one I misread!

B.3 = Attack normally from the front without the title's extra die?

C = Other weapon options ie missiles firing out of primary arc as per their rules etc.

Please let me know if I've read it correctly or not, as it stands above I was definitely using it wrong earlier today

You have it correct. Note that B-3 is essentially NOT using the title so why have it at all unless there is some VERY good reason you don't want to maximize your chances at damaging the target you are shooting at.

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Sorry to bring this back - first time today in flying my TIE/SF and would just like to make sure I'm finally reading it right.

A = attack out the rear arc using ships 2-die attack (before die modifiers like range etc)

B.1 = attack out the front arc adding 1 additional die from the Title for a 3-die attack (before modifiers)

B.2 = attack out the front arc using ships 2-die attack AND out the rear arc using ships 2-die attack (before modifiers) ...Shooting from both ends at the same time - this was the one I misread!

B.3 = Attack normally from the front without the title's extra die?

C = Other weapon options ie missiles firing out of primary arc as per their rules etc.

Please let me know if I've read it correctly or not, as it stands above I was definitely using it wrong earlier today

You have it correct. Note that B-3 is essentially NOT using the title so why have it at all unless there is some VERY good reason you don't want to maximize your chances at damaging the target you are shooting at.

I can't think of a reason to not use it on the TIE/sf but with the ARC-170 I skip using the title to make it more likely that the first shot will miss and trigger Gunner so that Braylen can use R3-A2 to double stress.

Did anyone realize the wording on Backdraft exactly?

"When attacking a ship inside your auxiliary firing arc, you may add 1 crit result."

Essentially if you manage to fly side by side to a large base enemy ship and have this ship in both of your arcs (i know very rare to pull this off!) you get a primary arc attack of 3 dice plus a crit and an auxiliary arc attack with 3 dice plus crit!

Yep, that got pegged within a couple of weeks of him coming out IIRC. It's certainly been mentioned before. It's almost impossible to pull off but if you manage you should be extremely pleased with yourself.

It's more likely to work against Epic ships though.

This was already possible with Kath Scarlet Scum on huge ship. The wording is the same, and they never ruled it out. So hard to pull out that I don't see that as a problem.

When attacking a ship inside your auxiliary firing arc, roll 1 additional attack die.

Did anyone realize the wording on Backdraft exactly?

"When attacking a ship inside your auxiliary firing arc, you may add 1 crit result."

Essentially if you manage to fly side by side to a large base enemy ship and have this ship in both of your arcs (i know very rare to pull this off!) you get a primary arc attack of 3 dice plus a crit and an auxiliary arc attack with 3 dice plus crit!

Pew pew:

That's not Backdraft though

Given the placement of the asteroid and Phantom it easily could have been.

That's not Backdraft though

If someone takes a shield off that SF, it could be even worse.

i actually have been in that position a few times so even without the pic i can say its possible

Though i havnt gotten it with backdraft or any SF to actually matter

I've done it (once) against a Ghost with a rage/baffle Quickdraw. It was delicious.

Did anyone realize the wording on Backdraft exactly?

"When attacking a ship inside your auxiliary firing arc, you may add 1 crit result."

Essentially if you manage to fly side by side to a large base enemy ship and have this ship in both of your arcs (i know very rare to pull this off!) you get a primary arc attack of 3 dice plus a crit and an auxiliary arc attack with 3 dice plus crit!

Pew pew:

Wow, I always thought that it was 1 attack in front or 1 in theback, thanks for the precision!

Did anyone realize the wording on Backdraft exactly?

"When attacking a ship inside your auxiliary firing arc, you may add 1 crit result."

Essentially if you manage to fly side by side to a large base enemy ship and have this ship in both of your arcs (i know very rare to pull this off!) you get a primary arc attack of 3 dice plus a crit and an auxiliary arc attack with 3 dice plus crit!

Pew pew:

Wow, I always thought that it was 1 attack in front or 1 in theback, thanks for the precision!

If you have the Special Ops Training title, then it can be a 2 die attack in the primary arc, and a 2 die attack in the auxiliary arc. And they don't have to be at the same ship, although if you slide in close enough, it might end up being the same target ship. I'm of the firm belief that Backdraft would not be able to add the crit result when attacking in the primary arc - only the auxiliary arc.

I'm of the firm belief that Backdraft would not be able to add the crit result when attacking in the primary arc - only the auxiliary arc.

You may not like it, but this is what happen.

For the same reason that the ShadowCaster title will work if you choose to attack a ship at range 1 in your primary arc but at range 2 in your mobile. You attacked from your primary arc but the defender still satisfy the condition.

It may be silly on the "flavor" side but rules don't care about flavor. Like having Jyn on a Rey falcon.

I'm of the firm belief that Backdraft would not be able to add the crit result when attacking in the primary arc - only the auxiliary arc.

You may not like it, but this is what happen.

For the same reason that the ShadowCaster title will work if you choose to attack a ship at range 1 in your primary arc but at range 2 in your mobile. You attacked from your primary arc but the defender still satisfy the condition.

It may be silly on the "flavor" side but rules don't care about flavor. Like having Jyn on a Rey falcon.

Just what are you trying to illustrate with your Jyn and Rey example? The fact that they are 30 years apart? Which in this game means nothing, as we all know. It's the same as having Han and Lando both flying YT-1300s - fluff-wise both ships should be the Falcon as that's the only ship they both flew, but technically they can't be, but you can still put them both on the table at once.

My "firm belief" above is based on rules as intended , not rules as written . I know this one works when attacking with either arc if the conditions are perfect, but I don't believe it was designed with that in mind. Has anybody emailed FFG for an answer regarding this?