Finn speculation

By Crabbok, in X-Wing Off-Topic

So Episode 8 is supposed to pick right up where 7 left off...

But that doesn't mean there won't be a time lapse shortly after the beginning. After Rey and Luke have a talk and start the movie, they might pan to Kylo Ren going to Snoke and snoke casting some dark magic over Ren's face or something... then it says "2 years later...."

So what's going to happen to Finn?

For the longest time we all thought Finn was gonna be the new Jedi (before actually seeing Ep 7). Part of me still wants him to get some force training - but it seems like that may not be the case. So out of our new heroes, if Rey is the Jedi, and Poe is the Ace Pilot, what will Finn be? The Commando?

Maybe he'll get a new Iron-Man style suit that launches Thermal Detonators and lets him fly?

I'm fairly certain Finn and Chewie are roped into the Resistance like Han was with the Alliance.

Yeah but he can't fly the Falcon though.... he's not a pilot. He can't take on Han's role. So if he's just hired muscle.... isn't that Chewie's role?

Like, ..... he's sort of like an all new role for Star Wars. We've seen commando types in the books before, but never as a principle character. I really hope he becomes Iron Man

One of my theories is Finn wakes up with no memory of betraying the First Order. He is FN-2187, and he isn't talking until someone tells him how he became a prisoner of the resistance. Maybe he plays along and assassinates Leia.

I was thinking this route or eventually he gets recaptured by the First Order and "reprogrammed" to obey them. Confrontation eventually in Ep. 9 when Rey has to decided whether to fight/kill him or not and Finn's fight to overcome the "reprogramming."

I would hate that. Agents of SHIELD tried doing that whole thing with the Good guy Bad guy swapping back and forth and it just sucks. It's a cheap plot point and I feel it would seriously cheapen Star Wars. You just can't go back and forth over and over again...

He was already made bad, and then became good..... if they make him bad again and he has to become good ..... AGAIN.... It'd just be stupid.

And you think Iron Man Finn is a better idea? Any attempt to make Finn into Warmachine would be met with Jar Jar levels of fan backlash.

Considering Finn as a character makes no sense, I hope they do something with him that's interesting at least.

Did anyone read "Before the Awakening"? Finn's portion was so bad I've considered gluing the pages together to make sure anyone who borrows my copy is forced to skip ahead to the stories about Rey and Poe.

He's a central character in desperate need of better writing.

Here are more ideas just to stir the pot:

Finn remains comatose until Rey returns. He wakes up for a reunion reminiscint of Leia defrosting Han, except Finn says "I can't move," instead of, "I can't see." Something to do with taking a laser sword to the spine.

Finn wakes up to find Poe hasn't left his side. They elope to the Coruscant where their bromance can flourish in an "whatever makes you happy" kind of culture.

Finn wakes up on a ship. The Resistance is in a fierce space battle with to escape the Dakar system as the First Order descends on the compromised base. (Too much ESB?)

Well if Rey ends up taking the mantle of Chewie's new Falcon sidekick whilst unwantingly becoming the best jedi ever, maybe Finn ends up being the unlikely smuggler/rogue who bumbles his way through the scenes with his FO knowledge whilst we all hope for some awesome miracle plot line.

I too was in the hope that he might be Force Sensitive or something, but I guess Kylo just felt his emotional conflict in those first scenes. I was spoilt with Karen's (non-canon) portrayal of the Republic Commando trained CW Clones, so seeing how totally untrained Finn was depicted in the film (despite spending most of his life in service and the Wiki's collected information saying otherwise), I was a bit disappointed.

Did I miss some edits in the film - or was there a reason that Finn went all instant-fan-boy over Poe's X-Wing appearance? The main cast seemed to get instant stardom within the film without doing much to earn it, leaving me feeling more sense of depth with BB-8 and FN-2199 (this is the guy the resistance need!).

And you think Iron Man Finn is a better idea? Any attempt to make Finn into Warmachine would be met with Jar Jar levels of fan backlash.

Yes I think Cyber-Finn is a fantastic idea.

For one, it fits with the story, as he has a serious spinal injury. He's gonna have to at LEAST get some major medical treatment including some cybernetics. Why not use that as the springboard for him to attach new gadgets to his now, super powered cyber spine? It could be like one of those power strips you have on the ground that you plug your computer and monitor into - he can attach any number of devices to his spine now, like Inspector Gadget.

Finn needs to fly so he pulls out the personal helicopter and powers it through his spine. Need bazookas? No problem, Finn's Arms now shoot laser warhead blast bolt explodeys. We need a good cyborg in Star Wars.

If he's not a cyborg then he has to become a jedi.

And you think Iron Man Finn is a better idea? Any attempt to make Finn into Warmachine would be met with Jar Jar levels of fan backlash.

Yes I think Cyber-Finn is a fantastic idea.

For one, it fits with the story, as he has a serious spinal injury. He's gonna have to at LEAST get some major medical treatment including some cybernetics. Why not use that as the springboard for him to attach new gadgets to his now, super powered cyber spine? It could be like one of those power strips you have on the ground that you plug your computer and monitor into - he can attach any number of devices to his spine now, like Inspector Gadget.

Finn needs to fly so he pulls out the personal helicopter and powers it through his spine. Need bazookas? No problem, Finn's Arms now shoot laser warhead blast bolt explodeys.

I really hope your just kidding with the "gadgets" ideas. Spine helicopter? Bazooka arms? Multiple plugins and attachments? Super powered cyber spine? That's all 80's Saturday morning cartoon levels of ridiculousness.

A cybernetic spine for Finn is certainly not out of the question. But all of Star Wars's cybernetic enhancements ever seen are still grounded in reality. Other than a few concealed weapons from time to time, I can't recall any other cybernetic limbs or replacement parts having cartoonish gadgets. The most a cybernetic spine would allow for Finn would be to let him move without any debilitating side effects from taking a lightsaber to his back.

We need a good cyborg in Star Wars.

Well there was this one guy... Darth Vader was his name I think.

I've heard the name General Grievous thrown around from time to time too.

If he's not a cyborg then he has to become a Jedi.

Or he becomes neither. Or he becomes both. He doesn't have to become either of those things. Maybe he just stays as himself, becoming a soldier in the Resistance and helping by providing knowledge on First Order tactics and such. Who knows?

Besides, there's been no definitive proof that Finn is Force Sensitive in any way.

Edited by Derpzilla88

And you think Iron Man Finn is a better idea? Any attempt to make Finn into Warmachine would be met with Jar Jar levels of fan backlash.

Yes I think Cyber-Finn is a fantastic idea.

For one, it fits with the story, as he has a serious spinal injury. He's gonna have to at LEAST get some major medical treatment including some cybernetics. Why not use that as the springboard for him to attach new gadgets to his now, super powered cyber spine? It could be like one of those power strips you have on the ground that you plug your computer and monitor into - he can attach any number of devices to his spine now, like Inspector Gadget.

Finn needs to fly so he pulls out the personal helicopter and powers it through his spine. Need bazookas? No problem, Finn's Arms now shoot laser warhead blast bolt explodeys.

I really hope your just kidding with the "gadgets" ideas. Spine helicopter? Bazooka arms? Multiple plugins and attachments? Super powered cyber spine? That's all 80's Saturday morning cartoon levels of ridiculousness.

A cybernetic spine for Finn is certainly not out of the question. But all of Star Wars's cybernetic enhancements ever seen are still grounded in reality. Other than a few concealed weapons from time to time, I can't recall any other cybernetic limbs or replacement parts having cartoonish gadgets. The most a cybernetic spine would allow for Finn would be to let him move without any debilitating side effects from taking a lightsaber to his back.

I won't admit to full fledged "Kidding", but I will admit to exaggerating.

We need a good cyborg in Star Wars.

Well there was this one guy... Darth Vader was his name I think.

I've heard the name General Grievous thrown around from time to time too.

They were both EVIL Cyborgs. I said we need a GOOD cyborg!

If he's not a cyborg then he has to become a Jedi.

Or he becomes neither. Or he becomes both. He doesn't have to become either of those things. Maybe he just stays as himself, becoming a soldier in the Resistance and helping by providing knowledge on First Order tactics and such. Who knows?

Boring!

My comments in red..

But I'm just afraid that Finn's role as a First Order insider information type guy, has run it's course. Starkiller Base is gone. Finn can't pilot anything. He's not Force Sensitive (that we know of). He doesn't even have much experience outside of cleaning toilets (Jakku was his FIRST mission). So he simply isn't that useful outside of being a decent shot.

I'm sure they can give him an interesting story arc and all... I'm just hoping they give him something "special" because right now, his only "special" things seem to have vanished. He doesn't have the lightsaber anymore, and his insight into Starkiller Base is probably worthless.

And you think Iron Man Finn is a better idea? Any attempt to make Finn into Warmachine would be met with Jar Jar levels of fan backlash.

Yes I think Cyber-Finn is a fantastic idea.

For one, it fits with the story, as he has a serious spinal injury. He's gonna have to at LEAST get some major medical treatment including some cybernetics. Why not use that as the springboard for him to attach new gadgets to his now, super powered cyber spine? It could be like one of those power strips you have on the ground that you plug your computer and monitor into - he can attach any number of devices to his spine now, like Inspector Gadget.

Finn needs to fly so he pulls out the personal helicopter and powers it through his spine. Need bazookas? No problem, Finn's Arms now shoot laser warhead blast bolt explodeys.

I really hope your just kidding with the "gadgets" ideas. Spine helicopter? Bazooka arms? Multiple plugins and attachments? Super powered cyber spine? That's all 80's Saturday morning cartoon levels of ridiculousness.

A cybernetic spine for Finn is certainly not out of the question. But all of Star Wars's cybernetic enhancements ever seen are still grounded in reality. Other than a few concealed weapons from time to time, I can't recall any other cybernetic limbs or replacement parts having cartoonish gadgets. The most a cybernetic spine would allow for Finn would be to let him move without any debilitating side effects from taking a lightsaber to his back.

I won't admit to full fledged "Kidding", but I will admit to exaggerating.

We need a good cyborg in Star Wars.

Well there was this one guy... Darth Vader was his name I think.

I've heard the name General Grievous thrown around from time to time too.

They were both EVIL Cyborgs. I said we need a GOOD cyborg!

If he's not a cyborg then he has to become a Jedi.

Or he becomes neither. Or he becomes both. He doesn't have to become either of those things. Maybe he just stays as himself, becoming a soldier in the Resistance and helping by providing knowledge on First Order tactics and such. Who knows?

Boring!

My comments in red..

But I'm just afraid that Finn's role as a First Order insider information type guy, has run it's course. Starkiller Base is gone. Finn can't pilot anything. He's not Force Sensitive (that we know of). He doesn't even have much experience outside of cleaning toilets (Jakku was his FIRST mission). So he simply isn't that useful outside of being a decent shot.

I'm sure they can give him an interesting story arc and all... I'm just hoping they give him something "special" because right now, his only "special" things seem to have vanished. He doesn't have the lightsaber anymore, and his insight into Starkiller Base is probably worthless.

When you said "good" cyborg, I thought you meant it as "an interesting cyborg" character in the Star Wars universe. So in that respect, you are correct. We've never had a good-guy main character cyborg. Although Star Wars writing tends to treat cyborgs as evil because the more mechanical and cyborg-like they become, the more of their humanity is lost. Hence why Vader and Grievous are so menacing and evil.

A hero cyborg might contradict how Star Wars tends to treat it's cybernetically enhanced characters a bit. The heroes always manage to succeed through their own strength, skill, hard work, and spirit while the villains rely on technological superiority and enhancements to improve their own skills and powers (Grievous being a very good example of this). The villain way of having cybernetic enhancements to improve themselves can be seen as the "easy way" to power, which directly relates to the Dark Side. While a cyborg spine for Finn would be out of necessity, having it give him advantages in combat or skill may be slightly out of character for Star Wars.

As for Finn's developing character, I think there's definitely room for him to grow. I agree that his time as an informant about First Order stuff to the Resistance is probably dried up with the destruction of Starkiller Base. Though his developing bromance with Poe should be fun to watch in Episode 8 as they adventure through the galaxy. Those two are going to make the coolest, most enjoyable duo to watch in Star Wars since Han and Chewbacca. As for what will make Finn "special" for his parts in the rest of the trilogy, I think that remains open and to be seen. But going down the path of Jedi or even Force sensitive is one I don't see happening, as we'll already be following Rey's journey into the Force, and even Kylo Ren's as he delves further into the Dark Side. I personally believe we need Finn and Poe to remain the audiences' link to the non-force sensitive action during the trilogy.

Edited by Derpzilla88

He will probably be killed by Kylo along with Luke and Rey and this will push Leia towards the Dark Side and she will then show her son that she is truly Vaders little girl and he is only a whiny wimp and will kick his ass, then she will proced to cut Snoke to pieces for what he did to her and her family and if she had to kill Kyle what he had her do and that is absolutely what will happen ;)

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As for Finn's developing character, I think there's definitely room for him to grow. I agree that his time as an informant about First Order stuff to the Resistance is probably dried up with the destruction of Starkiller Base. Though his developing bromance with Poe should be fun to watch in Episode 8 as they adventure through the galaxy. Those two are going to make the coolest, most enjoyable duo to watch in Star Wars since Han and Chewbacca. As for what will make Finn "special" for his parts in the rest of the trilogy, I think that remains open and to be seen. But going down the path of Jedi or even Force sensitive is one I don't see happening, as we'll already be following Rey's journey into the Force, and even Kylo Ren's as he delves further into the Dark Side. I personally believe we need Finn and Poe to remain the audiences' link to the non-force sensitive action during the trilogy.

Well said.

I also agree that Finn is PROBABLY not going down a Jedi path. Even though I really did like the look of him with a lightsaber, I simply don't expect to see that for his future. Him being partnered up with Poe is a very likely scenario. It would make for a nice new ship that has a seat for a gunner... and would make them an incredible force in the skies.

I still want more for him than to just be one half of the "Bro Dameron" Team. And that goes for Poe as well. But for Finn specifically, I'm hoping for something interesting in his arc. It might have something to do with Phasma surviving and wanting revenge, it may have something to do with him seeking out his birth family, or it may be something new altogether. Heck it might even be spiritual and force-inspired without being focused on the Jedi order.

I really liked Finn in Ep 7 and I'm just worried that his best moments are behind him now. Hopefully they don't let me down!

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As for Finn's developing character, I think there's definitely room for him to grow. I agree that his time as an informant about First Order stuff to the Resistance is probably dried up with the destruction of Starkiller Base. Though his developing bromance with Poe should be fun to watch in Episode 8 as they adventure through the galaxy. Those two are going to make the coolest, most enjoyable duo to watch in Star Wars since Han and Chewbacca. As for what will make Finn "special" for his parts in the rest of the trilogy, I think that remains open and to be seen. But going down the path of Jedi or even Force sensitive is one I don't see happening, as we'll already be following Rey's journey into the Force, and even Kylo Ren's as he delves further into the Dark Side. I personally believe we need Finn and Poe to remain the audiences' link to the non-force sensitive action during the trilogy.

Well said.

I also agree that Finn is PROBABLY not going down a Jedi path. Even though I really did like the look of him with a lightsaber, I simply don't expect to see that for his future. Him being partnered up with Poe is a very likely scenario. It would make for a nice new ship that has a seat for a gunner... and would make them an incredible force in the skies.

I still want more for him than to just be one half of the "Bro Dameron" Team. And that goes for Poe as well. But for Finn specifically, I'm hoping for something interesting in his arc. It might have something to do with Phasma surviving and wanting revenge, it may have something to do with him seeking out his birth family, or it may be something new altogether. Heck it might even be spiritual and force-inspired without being focused on the Jedi order.

I really liked Finn in Ep 7 and I'm just worried that his best moments are behind him now. Hopefully they don't let me down!

If I may, Finn was my favorite character from the movie. I am like others...just not sure what his role is in the next movie(s). Hopefully he's not "Jar Jar-ed" into smaller and smaller roles like Everyone's Favorite Gungan.

Edited by Scopes

I also agree that Finn is PROBABLY not going down a Jedi path. Even though I really did like the look of him with a lightsaber, I simply don't expect to see that for his future. Him being partnered up with Poe is a very likely scenario. It would make for a nice new ship that has a seat for a gunner... and would make them an incredible force in the skies.

First Order Pilots BEWARE! Finn is adding a blank die to Poe's rolls! And it only costs 5 points!

On a less sarcastic note: I really want Finn to become morally conflicted. He left the First Order after he decided, "I wasn't going to kill for them." At some point he could realize killing for the Republic or the Resistance is still killing. The bulk of the First Order's fighting force are the First Order's first victims. Maybe Finn leads a mission to shut down the First Order's child abduction and brain washing.

I really want Finn to become morally conflicted.

This. I mean, just think of Finn as a character. His best friend gets killed by a Resistance fighter. He then makes a 180° turn and becomes this Resistance fighter's BFF. Guess his stormtrooper pal wasn't a really good friend to begin with? Because if my best friend got murdered in front of my eyes I'd want revenge on the person that did that . . .

Wasn't his best friend. He didn't even know the guy.

Wasn't his best friend. He didn't even know the guy.

I thought sources said the stormtrooper that died in front of Finn on Jakku was a member of the squad he and Finn all trained together in.

Wasn't his best friend. He didn't even know the guy.

Read the Wook man. Just going to leave this quote here from it: during the fighting his friend FN-2003 was killed by Resistance pilot Poe Dameron, wiping his blood on FN-2187's helmet.

The book "Before the Awakening" established Finn's relationships with other First Order Characters - and blew chunks. Finn's story was the worst piece of Star wars literature I've ever read. The book is worth having for Rey and Poe's stories, but Finn's pages should be stapled to the cover to save people from reading it.

I personally think that Finn is Force-Sensitive, because he did manage to keep up with Kylo Ren in a lightsaber fight for a fair amount of time. However, I don't think he will become a Jedi. We'll see.