Inertial Dampeners and bumping

By SylinRhyas, in X-Wing

Just had a ruling I'm not completely sure is correct. If a ship bumps you and for your move you use Inertial Dampeners are you still considered bumping? It was ruled not bumping.

The ruling was correct. If you bump into a ship and they perform a 0 maneuver from what ever source, they are not bumped anymore. If a ship runs into another ship that has already performed a 0 maneuver earlier in the same activation phase, then they are considered bumping.

Also, I'd recommend using the Rules section of the forum for ruling questions in the future.

They do not bump but they should be considered touching for attack purposes. They are touching until one ship moves way.

They do not bump but they should be considered touching for attack purposes. They are touching until one ship moves way.

The whole purpose of the overlapping (aka bump) is to establish some verticality. The whole point of the Zero move is to readjust your position while remaining entirely in the same place (sort of like a flip or aileron roll). Ships with bases that are physically touching are not considered to be touching, this isn't a squad base fighting game with hand to hand combat like 40,000. Even though it still is possible to pile into a furball (like back in the days of Wave 3).

Edited by Marinealver

MenaceNsobriety is correct. I argued with designers that the general ruling should go the other way, at length, and lost the argument. And it was thus ruled that until one of the touching (game-rules touching) ships "moves away," the ships are still (game rules) touching.

It's not a good ruling, but it is where the rules are right now.

(If anybody's interested, IMO (game rules) touching should only occur as a result of an overlap by the last-activated involved ship on the current turn. A 0-stop would thus not overlap, and the ships would not be touching. It's much cleaner, rules-wise.)

Edited by Jeff Wilder

Just had a ruling I'm not completely sure is correct. If a ship bumps you and for your move you use Inertial Dampeners are you still considered bumping? It was ruled not bumping.

A ship "bumped" you? Is that the "moved adjacent to you but completed its maneuver/action" or the "ship overlapped my ship" definition of bumped; logic says it is the later. Because the ship overlapped you it bumped and then set up a "touching" condition so the two could not fire at each other.

As per the FAQ if touching has been established it is not broken until one ship completely breaks contact with the other. Now if you actually move the base a little bit forward I believe you should have broken the touch but that is not how it is read. If a ship performs a STOP action, or is blocked all the way back to its starting position, and does not move at all (presumably including rotation) then TOUCHING is NOT removed.

You may be able to perform a Stop maneuver after you have been overlapped but that does NOT remove the TOUCHING situation allowing the ships to fire at each other.

Edited by StevenO

It depends on what needs to be determined for the "bump".

Are they touching for uses of arvel or intimidation? Yes.

Did the second ship overlap the first for the uses of oicunn? No.

Would the ID ship be eligible for an action in the examples of Your (who could take the ID stress) or Tycho (who performs actions while stressed? Yes.

Can the two ships shoot at each other during combat without Zeb crew? No.