So it is just me or did both of these previews seem a bit short?

Thinking about this more, it's nice to see the Empire get a alternative (for its point cost) GSD. I mean Demo is great, but sometimes you need something for that point cost that isn't meant to get into close range and slug it out. And you only get one Demo.

Yeah. I'll go ahead and say it. FFG has some really talented people working on this. This Wave of ships really is great at helping the old and introducing the new. I hope we can say the same about the new Squadrons.

While the Pelta gives the Rebels some really nice shenanigans, the Arq will do A LOT for the Empire's fleet.

Kudos FFG. It is time to rock the new objectives.

So... those hidden titles... what are we thinking? Jaw droppingly good? Pants messingly bad? A little of both?

I'm looking forward to an Aquitens with Needa and TRCs.

Also the Ministers ability to add an ECM to either a VSD, ISD-1 or and interdictor.

Or I could take Demolisher with Motti, Minister and Blast Doors for 9 hull (effectively).

"I only told you to Demolish the ruddy doors off"

The good thing about this ship was that it can support with some good LR shooting, problem with most Imp ships is there all Black dice heavy, so you would have to get a lot of your fleet in there to slug it out but with activations ppl could make some useless by moving before or killing before they shoot. now you can have 1 dedicated Black dice dealer and still have a fleet that can bring damage while its in there throwing its weight around.

So... those hidden titles... what are we thinking? Jaw droppingly good? Pants messingly bad? A little of both?

Only time will tell but I bet at least one will be good. I can't think of any ship that doesn't have at least one good title. The closest is the AFMK-2 and GH can be excellent. I guess maybe the VSD but when it was released Corrupter and Warlord both had their uses.

Guys... all these people hootin and hollerin about VSDs and ISD-Is getting an ECM...how about a gozanti with ECM. You thought you locked down that scatter? You spent 8 points on that H9 just so you could one-shot my slicer tooled Supressor? Too bad, punk. Scatter! ;p

Just when I thought I had semi figured out the points formula..... All of the imp players that complained about the points of the pelta where are you now cause these points costs are undefendable.

Really? Seems fair to me. It lacks a brace and really doesn't have enough shields to need 2 redirects. Without a bunch of upgrades these things will die fairly easily.

Compare the 59 point version to a neb e

Arq an extra red die with two primary arcs

Neb a single extra shield

Same amount of total maneuver clicks

Neb has an extra blue AA die which is definitely worth more than a normal attack die

Neb had double brace which is way better than double RD but I would think the contain on the arq helps offset that.

Arq has a d retro upgrade

2 point difference.... Ok your right Schmitty it's not that crazy. I changed my mind

Guys... all these people hootin and hollerin about VSDs and ISD-Is getting an ECM...how about a gozanti with ECM. You thought you locked down that scatter? You spent 8 points on that H9 just so you could one-shot my slicer tooled Supressor? Too bad, punk. Scatter! ;p

Lol thats true. Really protect that lifeboat admiral.

Guys... all these people hootin and hollerin about VSDs and ISD-Is getting an ECM...how about a gozanti with ECM. You thought you locked down that scatter? You spent 8 points on that H9 just so you could one-shot my slicer tooled Supressor? Too bad, punk. Scatter! ;p

Too expensive I think. And will be intelled or rammed or bombed. (And to be fair I don't think about VSD1 or ISD1 getting ECM. I'm thinking about them getting blast doors, I feel it'll be more effective)

Preliminary Fleet Idea without upgrades:

Commander: Motti

ISD II = 120

VSD II = 85

Arquitens Command Cruiser = 59

Arquitens Command Cruiser = 59

Gladiator I = 56

379 Points so twenty left to play with for upgrades. Or take out the Gladiator and you have about 70.

Guys... all these people hootin and hollerin about VSDs and ISD-Is getting an ECM...how about a gozanti with ECM. You thought you locked down that scatter? You spent 8 points on that H9 just so you could one-shot my slicer tooled Supressor? Too bad, punk. Scatter! ;p

......... I... I.... I......

Crap.

ISD-I's now can have ECMs for 9 points

Demolisher can now carry ECMs...crazy.

The interesting question is - how good an Interdictor with ECM will be?

Guys... all these people hootin and hollerin about VSDs and ISD-Is getting an ECM...how about a gozanti with ECM. You thought you locked down that scatter? You spent 8 points on that H9 just so you could one-shot my slicer tooled Supressor? Too bad, punk. Scatter! ;p

Too expensive I think. And will be intelled or rammed or bombed. (And to be fair I don't think about VSD1 or ISD1 getting ECM. I'm thinking about them getting blast doors, I feel it'll be more effective)

Higher floor, lower ceiling upside.

The interesting question is - how good an Interdictor with ECM will be?

Its already so expensive, but between ecms and targetting scramblers they could become unkillable. I mean not really but you know what I mean.

Guys... all these people hootin and hollerin about VSDs and ISD-Is getting an ECM...how about a gozanti with ECM. You thought you locked down that scatter? You spent 8 points on that H9 just so you could one-shot my slicer tooled Supressor? Too bad, punk. Scatter! ;p

Danm you, sir.

Danm you.

Just when I thought I had semi figured out the points formula..... All of the imp players that complained about the points of the pelta where are you now cause these points costs are undefendable.

Really? Seems fair to me. It lacks a brace and really doesn't have enough shields to need 2 redirects. Without a bunch of upgrades these things will die fairly easily.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was trying to figure out. Where do these comments about a 'tough ship' come from? No brace, which...ouch. Only has one more shield in one arc, and one point more hull, than a CR90.

I mean...it looks good, but it's not like it's amazing.

Is the "you can exhaust to remove add a red attack die to your attack pool..." a type or is that on purpose when talking about the Duel Laser Turrets?

Is the "you can exhaust to remove add a red attack die to your attack pool..." a type or is that on purpose when talking about the Duel Laser Turrets?

That's a typo.

Are Dual Turbos really that good for Imps?

The Empire already has ways to get re-rolls if it needs them.

A swarm of Arquitens commanded by Vader would be pretty impressive.

It's not just rerolls. You are adding a red die in place of another die.

Are Dual Turbos really that good for Imps?

The Empire already has ways to get re-rolls if it needs them.

A swarm of Arquitens commanded by Vader would be pretty impressive.

It's not just rerolls. You are adding a red die in place of another die.

so in short:

You're supposed to have 3 die

You roll the 3 die, exhaust DTL, roll another 1, then remove a die.

I'm very meh on this ship. The upgrades are amazing and I'm excited for them. But I don't think you will see more than 2 on the table unless you are playing Jerry. A lot of people want to run Motti or Vader, but that means this ship can only ever run Nav commands or it will get out of position very fast. Double arcing is meh as well, when you only get another die out the front.

I think Ard is right. This is a patch for the Vic. I feel FFG over invested in trying to the fix the Vic and this expansion suffered because of it. There are only 3 upgrades left, and 2 of them are titles.

Don't get me wrong, the ship is cool. I like the defensive tokens and offensive power, but the upgrades are clearly for the Vic and ISD-I, except DTT.

It's all very underwhelming compared to the Pelta for me.

Prove me wrong. Why will this ship be good?

It looks like just the sort of long-ranged harasser I've been missing when trying to build Imperial fleets, I'm super excited. No it isn't the most survivable ship ever, but an inexpensive turbolaser boat is very desirable.

Wondering about Slaved Turrets on there, but Double Turbos seem way more useful.

My first thought looking at Rerinforced Blast Doorss is putting it on a Mottidictor and laughing as it completely restored its hull to max after taking a heavy pounding. Though I think the VSD is really a better place for Tua.